Discussion Could this advice be useful for avoiding vomiting in SN method?

[quiet.rabbit]

I found this in the Fentanyl section of the wikibook on suicide, but I was wondering if these tips could work for SN too. Especially the parts in bold, as they seem to go against what some people on here say.

A common side effect of opiates is nausea and vomiting. An antiemetic might help. Which antiemetic effectively suppresses opiate nausea? Ondansetron can help here. It's an oral anti-emetic with very quick results; it must be dissolved by saliva or liquid before consumption. Taking it 20 minutes before any sort of inducement of nausea will reduce perceivable effects of nausea. It is important not to use too much of an anti-emetic, as the body may begin to reject the chemical via involuntary heaving, or forced gastric refusal (involuntary projectile vomit).

Oral generally has lower potency. Snorting may have higher potency and also avoid rejection when vomiting. How effective is an empty stomach to avoid vomiting? To best avoid vomiting, avoid an empty stomach, as the pangs of hunger will first provoke gastric retching, which will lead to discomfort, nausea, vomiting, and reduced gastric absorption. The best suggestion is to "parachute", or orally consume a large amount of the drug whilst it is wrapped in a hydrophilic (soakable, permeable by water) or digestible wrapping, such as rolling papers, or paper towel. This will reduce absorption at least until the active chemical is met with pancreatic juices and enzymes of the stomach. Then, a large quantity will be absorbed by the lining of the stomach, provided the wrapping is hydrophobic (waterproof) enough to prevent dissolution until the time it has reached the stomach.

This "parachute" thing also seems really interesting, never seen it before. Have any of you heard of this? Thoughts?

 

[k75]

The recommended method is already super tailored to make it work. This is my method. I done a few years of research and have come to the conclusion that there's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel here.

Most people will vomit. It's just what happens when you get poisoned. The real purpose of the antiemetics in this method is keep the SN in your system long enough for enough of it to be absorbed to be effective before you do vomit. Some people don't throw up, but most do... but the longer you can go before that happens the more chance you'll be successful.

It could be helpful to take reglan and zofran together. That's actually been my plan, but mainly because I have some severe stomach issues, and I'm already prescribed those on a daily basis. I don't think it would be smart to omit one.

I remember some people coming up with the parachuting idea awhile back, but it didn't really catch on, which probably tells you something. I think it was just determined to be more hassle than it was worth and no real benefit.

 

[the_final_countdown]

The recommended method is already super tailored to make it work. This is my method. I done a few years of research and have come to the conclusion that there's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel here.

Most people will vomit. It's just what happens when you get poisoned. The real purpose of the antiemetics in this method is keep the SN in your system long enough for enough of it to be absorbed to be effective before you do vomit. Some people don't throw up, but most do... but the longer you can go before that happens the more chance you'll be successful.

It could be helpful to take reglan and zofran together. That's actually been my plan, but mainly because I have some severe stomach issues, and I'm already prescribed those on a daily basis. I don't think it would be smart to omit one.

I remember some people coming up with the parachuting idea awhile back, but it didn't really catch on, which probably tells you something. I think it was just determined to be more hassle than it was worth and no real benefit.

My biggest fear is watching my life fall apart before I can ill myself.

It's so hard just ending your life. I don't understand how others do it. I've never felt more grief and pain and sorrow.

 

[Rayzieka]

that's very interesting, the parachuting would take away the awful taste, wouldn't it?
I tend to gag at overly salty flavours but once things are down I never throw up. I once accidentally ingested a bit of cleaner as a child ( I wasn't bright ) and tried my very hardest to induce vomiting but instead, I just writhed in pain for a few hours while drinking lots of water. Maybe that method would help get it down.

 

[k75]

Here's one of the first threads I can think of bringing up this. You might find it helpful to read.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...n-easy-and-cheap-solution-not-capsules.36248/

 

[quiet.rabbit]

The recommended method is already super tailored to make it work. This is my method. I done a few years of research and have come to the conclusion that there's no point in trying to reinvent the wheel here.

Most people will vomit. It's just what happens when you get poisoned. The real purpose of the antiemetics in this method is keep the SN in your system long enough for enough of it to be absorbed to be effective before you do vomit. Some people don't throw up, but most do... but the longer you can go before that happens the more chance you'll be successful.

It could be helpful to take reglan and zofran together. That's actually been my plan, but mainly because I have some severe stomach issues, and I'm already prescribed those on a daily basis. I don't think it would be smart to omit one.

I remember some people coming up with the parachuting idea awhile back, but it didn't really catch on, which probably tells you something. I think it was just determined to be more hassle than it was worth and no real benefit.

What do you think about the no fasting advice?

 

[justpeachy]

that's very interesting, the parachuting would take away the awful taste, wouldn't it?
I tend to gag at overly salty flavours but once things are down I never throw up. I once accidentally ingested a bit of cleaner as a child ( I wasn't bright ) and tried my very hardest to induce vomiting but instead, I just writhed in pain for a few hours while drinking lots of water. Maybe that method would help get it down.

Not at all. For one there's a substantial amount of SN to parachute compared to fent. Fent is lethal in very very very small amounts. You need several tablespoons of SN. Go try to wrap several tablespoons of salt in paper towel. You will quickly see how large it is and most would spill out or soak through into your mouth tasting it. It can be done with small amounts but you need 25 GRAMS of SN where as just a couple MILLIGRAMS of fent can be lethal. Parachuting SN absolutely won't work. It's not a good idea to take it in several small parachuted bits either. You want it to hit your system all at once.

 

[k75]

What do you think about the no fasting advice?

It is bad advice in this case. You want an empty stomach so the SN can quickly move into the intestines and get absorbed and also to avoid contradictions.

Your body can actually reverse methemoglobinemia and naturally recover if there's enough time, which is why it's important to ingest enough and minimize anything that could slow the absorption rate. You want to completely overwhelm your system.

But there's no need to fast longer than recommended either. Some people think the longer the better, but all that's going to do is make you feel bad.

It's important to understand what each drug does. An empty stomach might reduce gastric absorption, but the SN is going to dump into the intestines and be absorbed there, and that's why you want your stomach empty. The meto promotes gastric emptying as well as helps with the vomiting, which is why that's the preferred antiemetic.

It's not a good idea to take it in several small parachuted bits either. You want it to hit your system all at once.

This!

Like I said before, the method is tried and true and tailored to make everything work together. There's no need to complicate it. Most of the failures have been because people omitted things or tried to change it up too much.