Method CO Poisoning

[hazelmoon]

Hello everyone. I have come up with a method I am sure will work but need some help.

I have decided to go the CO route. I found a small Honda generator at Home Depot for $1,100 that has a very descriptive warning on it to never use it inside because it can cause death in minutes. I have done research on it and it seems if I use it in my car, it will do the job rather quickly.

I don't have a garage, so I will be doing it in the open in an area that I know nobody will be in, in the middle of the night. I plan on duct taping my windows and doors to ensure the job is done correctly.

If I do it out in the open, not in a garage, but make sure my car is well sealed, it should still work right? And also, should my car be on or off while I do it? I plan on stepping outside to smoke and letting the generator run for a few minutes to build up the CO before I get back in my car. I shouldn't be found until hours later so that should be more than enough time.

I can ask the people at the store how the generator works and how to put gas in it. I just want to be sure everything is done right. Thank you for your help!! :)

 

[Dejected 55]

I assume it physically fits in your car and is something you can lift on your own and put in there? Make sure that is the case or you'll be off to a rocky start. Having the car running may or may not be a problem. Why would you have it running? If it is for A/C... then you have to be sure you are recycling internal air and not external or you'll be venting your CO outside. Even with internal circulation, modern cars have internal air filters and I honestly don't know if those have any effect on CO or not. My guess is not, but I don't know.

As you know, I'm planning something similar with a gas-powered chainsaw. I can't afford a generator or that would be a better option as it would get you there quicker. I'm planning on being in my car inside my garage to not be interrupted but not running my car for A/C just to not add any of those wrinkles into the mix. If done right, I don't expect to be awake long enough to feel too uncomfortable from heat anyway.

 

[kurgan]

Hello everyone. I have come up with a method I am sure will work but need some help.

I have decided to go the CO route. I found a small Honda generator at Home Depot for $1,100 that has a very descriptive warning on it to never use it inside because it can cause death in minutes. I have done research on it and it seems if I use it in my car, it will do the job rather quickly.

I don't have a garage, so I will be doing it in the open in an area that I know nobody will be in, in the middle of the night. I plan on duct taping my windows and doors to ensure the job is done correctly.

If I do it out in the open, not in a garage, but make sure my car is well sealed, it should still work right? And also, should my car be on or off while I do it? I plan on stepping outside to smoke and letting the generator run for a few minutes to build up the CO before I get back in my car. I shouldn't be found until hours later so that should be more than enough time.

I can ask the people at the store how the generator works and how to put gas in it. I just want to be sure everything is done right. Thank you for your help!! :)

Yes, that will work. I would say have engine off. Good luck

 

[hazelmoon]

I assume it physically fits in your car and is something you can lift on your own and put in there? Make sure that is the case or you'll be off to a rocky start. Having the car running may or may not be a problem. Why would you have it running? If it is for A/C... then you have to be sure you are recycling internal air and not external or you'll be venting your CO outside. Even with internal circulation, modern cars have internal air filters and I honestly don't know if those have any effect on CO or not. My guess is not, but I don't know.

As you know, I'm planning something similar with a gas-powered chainsaw. I can't afford a generator or that would be a better option as it would get you there quicker. I'm planning on being in my car inside my garage to not be interrupted but not running my car for A/C just to not add any of those wrinkles into the mix. If done right, I don't expect to be awake long enough to feel too uncomfortable from heat anyway.

Yes I was looking at the chainsaws at Home Depot but I was worried about how to figure out how to work a chainsaw and get gas in it and everything. I've never really handled any tools like that before. I saw the generators in the same aisle and decided to go that route instead, and they seem easier to figure out.

The generator is pretty small. It's a portable one and definitely small enough to fit in my car. The AC wouldn't be running. The heat more likely because I don't plan on doing it until late October or November as that's when I'll have the money for it. I guess I'll just have to get a lot of blankets to prevent me from getting cold before I go unconscious.

Thank you for the advice!! And I wish you well on your own journey

 

[Dejected 55]

Yes I was looking at the chainsaws at Home Depot but I was worried about how to figure out how to work a chainsaw and get gas in it and everything. I've never really handled any tools like that before. I saw the generators in the same aisle and decided to go that route instead, and they seem easier to figure out.

The generator is pretty small. It's a portable one and definitely small enough to fit in my car. The AC wouldn't be running. The heat more likely because I don't plan on doing it until late October or November as that's when I'll have the money for it. I guess I'll just have to get a lot of blankets to prevent me from getting cold before I go unconscious.

Thank you for the advice!! And I wish you well on your own journey

Understood. I bought my first chainsaw last year, and it isn't rocket science but it's not just pick up and crank and use easy either. Also you have to mix gas and oil and it is a small opening to pour gas into. I always make a mess. But I have it already and it was probably a quarter of the price of the generator. It's kind of dumb luck for me to already have a chainsaw and then find out it is something I can use for this. As long as you can move and fit the generator where you want, that's a more reliable solution I think.

Heat would be the same thing as cooling... so, yeah, blankets would be better. It's still 80s during the day here and maybe low 60s at night... so I'm thinking it might not be too hot and not too cool yet for me if I'm able to go by the end of this month or early October. I still need to run my chainsaw once to make sure it is in good working order. It's been a while since I last cranked it to do anything.

I hope everything works out for you like you want too.

 

[ShSm]

Understood. I bought my first chainsaw last year, and it isn't rocket science but it's not just pick up and crank and use easy either. Also you have to mix gas and oil and it is a small opening to pour gas into. I always make a mess. But I have it already and it was probably a quarter of the price of the generator. It's kind of dumb luck for me to already have a chainsaw and then find out it is something I can use for this. As long as you can move and fit the generator where you want, that's a more reliable solution I think.

Heat would be the same thing as cooling... so, yeah, blankets would be better. It's still 80s during the day here and maybe low 60s at night... so I'm thinking it might not be too hot and not too cool yet for me if I'm able to go by the end of this month or early October. I still need to run my chainsaw once to make sure it is in good working order. It's been a while since I last cranked it to do anything.

I hope everything works out for you like you want too.

Can you answer the last post's post?

 

[Firefly.Forest]

Hello everyone. I have come up with a method I am sure will work but need some help.

I have decided to go the CO route. I found a small Honda generator at Home Depot for $1,100 that has a very descriptive warning on it to never use it inside because it can cause death in minutes. I have done research on it and it seems if I use it in my car, it will do the job rather quickly.

I don't have a garage, so I will be doing it in the open in an area that I know nobody will be in, in the middle of the night. I plan on duct taping my windows and doors to ensure the job is done correctly.

If I do it out in the open, not in a garage, but make sure my car is well sealed, it should still work right? And also, should my car be on or off while I do it? I plan on stepping outside to smoke and letting the generator run for a few minutes to build up the CO before I get back in my car. I shouldn't be found until hours later so that should be more than enough time.

I can ask the people at the store how the generator works and how to put gas in it. I just want to be sure everything is done right. Thank you for your help!! :)

OP - I am also considering this method. Just wanted to ask if the model you were looking at had an automatic CO shutoff?

I have come across that in several of the models.

 

[Jello Biafra]

How much gas does it hold?

In other words, how long will it run before it is out of gas and turns off?

This is why you couldn't use a chainsaw or anything like that - it doesn't hold enough gas to operate continuously for very long.

There are some anecdotal reports in the mega thread of people attempting to use CO in their car with charcoal, and then being found 10-12 hours later, unconscious but still alive because eventually the coals burned down.

 

[hazelmoon]

OP - I am also considering this method. Just wanted to ask if the model you were looking at had an automatic CO shutoff?

I have come across that in several of the models.

I saw some that have that. The one I found didn't have that sign on it, but they were locked up so I couldn't pick it up and look at everything on the box. I wonder if all of them nowadays have this safety feature? I also looked on marketplace so I'll probably get one off there, that way I don't have to do any setting up or anything and can have them show me the ropes with it

How much gas does it hold?

In other words, how long will it run before it is out of gas and turns off?

This is why you couldn't use a chainsaw or anything like that - it doesn't hold enough gas to operate continuously for very long.

There are some anecdotal reports in the mega thread of people attempting to use CO in their car with charcoal, and then being found 10-12 hours later, unconscious but still alive because eventually the coals burned down.

The run time on most of them that I saw is 8 hours. I hope that would be enough time

 

[Dejected 55]

This is why you couldn't use a chainsaw or anything like that - it doesn't hold enough gas to operate continuously for very long.

There are some anecdotal reports in the mega thread of people attempting to use CO in their car with charcoal, and then being found 10-12 hours later, unconscious but still alive because eventually the coals burned down.

Gas-powered chainsaws generate ~1600+ ppm CO at the exit point of the chainsaw. If you operate in a small enough space (like that of the inside of a car) the amount of CO reaches toxicity within minutes. It doesn't have to run more than an hour to kill you. It is harder to give a ppm of CO for charcoal because there are a lot of variables including conditions while burning, the kind of charcoal, and amount of charcoal being burned. From the accounts I was able to find online it seems like 700-1000ppm with charcoal might be achievable but its a crapshoot.

Another mistake that a lot of people have made is taking sedatives to go to sleep. When you do that, you don't breathe in nearly as much CO, so you survive longer. The key to CO asphyxiation is breathing a lot of it in initially before you pass out. CO bonds with your blood and prevents future oxygen absorption so even if you fall asleep and don't breathe as much, the damage has largely been done.

No method is completely infallible, including a generator. No argument that a generator should be better, but it is wrong to say you "can't use a chainsaw or anything like that."

IF you took sedatives and fell asleep, you could very well survive being with the power generator too if you are interrupted.

 

[Dejected 55]

I realize I should also have mentioned... Attempting with CO in any of these cases is improved by the enclosed space not just for depriving you of oxygen to generate CO2 yourself... but an oxygen rich environment helps the fuel burn better, resulting in more CO2 and less CO. The enclosed environment means as the oxygen gets burned, the generator (chainsaw, generator, coal, etc.) becomes less efficient and generate more CO as time goes on... and as you breathe in more CO that bonds with you, your body will be able to process less oxygen that might be around so taking a lot of deep breaths in the beginning helps burn through excess oxygen and helps you intake more CO... and if you go unconscious from the CO inhalation (as opposed to being sleepy for other reasons like a sedative) then you're well on the way to making it so your body can't process oxygen even if your CO source runs out because your body would already be saturated and unable to process any oxygen that might still be available.

 

[dudebl]

OP - I am also considering this method. Just wanted to ask if the model you were looking at had an automatic CO shutoff?

I have come across that in several of the models.

This can be disabled. I disabled it on my generac generator in preparation for this. Found how to on YouTube.

Simply required cutting two wires going to the sensor and connecting them directly together.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Gas-powered chainsaws generate ~1600+ ppm CO at the exit point of the chainsaw. If you operate in a small enough space (like that of the inside of a car) the amount of CO reaches toxicity within minutes. It doesn't have to run more than an hour to kill you. It is harder to give a ppm of CO for charcoal because there are a lot of variables including conditions while burning, the kind of charcoal, and amount of charcoal being burned. From the accounts I was able to find online it seems like 700-1000ppm with charcoal might be achievable but its a crapshoot.

Another mistake that a lot of people have made is taking sedatives to go to sleep. When you do that, you don't breathe in nearly as much CO, so you survive longer. The key to CO asphyxiation is breathing a lot of it in initially before you pass out. CO bonds with your blood and prevents future oxygen absorption so even if you fall asleep and don't breathe as much, the damage has largely been done.

No method is completely infallible, including a generator. No argument that a generator should be better, but it is wrong to say you "can't use a chainsaw or anything like that."

IF you took sedatives and fell asleep, you could very well survive being with the power generator too if you are interrupted.

Don't get me wrong, anything is possible, and certainly it is possible to generate enough CO with a chainsaw.

However, most every method, upon scrutiny, ends up being a lot more complicated than people think.

If we are going by anecdotal reports in the mega threads, people have used CO meters that showed adequate, lethal levels of CO in their completely sealed car. As you state, that *should be enough to be lethal. But it wasn't - as I stated the people woke up or were rescued half a day later and lived to tell about it.

What it comes down to for me is probabilities. I don't believe in absolutes, so I will admit that my statement about not being able to use a chainsaw is a logical fallacy. Certainly it's possible, but what is the likelihood that it would be successful? Attempting to use a chainsaw, where the production of CO only happens for an extremely small amount of time, just wouldn't produce the odds that I would feel comfortable gambling with,

This is just my opinion. You are certainly free to do whatever you want, and I only wish you the best in whatever you do.

 

[Dejected 55]

Don't get me wrong, anything is possible, and certainly it is possible to generate enough CO with a chainsaw.

However, most every method, upon scrutiny, ends up being a lot more complicated than people think.

If we are going by anecdotal reports in the mega threads, people have used CO meters that showed adequate, lethal levels of CO in their completely sealed car. As you state, that *should be enough to be lethal. But it wasn't - as I stated the people woke up or were rescued half a day later and lived to tell about it.

What it comes down to for me is probabilities. I don't believe in absolutes, so I will admit that my statement about not being able to use a chainsaw is a logical fallacy. Certainly it's possible, but what is the likelihood that it would be successful? Attempting to use a chainsaw, where the production of CO only happens for an extremely small amount of time, just wouldn't produce the odds that I would feel comfortable gambling with,

This is just my opinion. You are certainly free to do whatever you want, and I only wish you the best in whatever you do.

That's fair. All of these methods have problems. There are very few "sure things" and you don't always know the variables. I mean, a lot of the people who have failed in their attempts, when you find out the details you realized they did something that obviously was going to hamper their success. Also, smaller people have an easier time with something like CO than a larger person like me will because a smaller person doesn't need as much CO to saturate their system.

It doesn't take that much CO to kill you really... way less than people think. But people have survived very high concentrations of CO that would surprise you as well. Almost every method discussed here has ways in which you can do most everything correctly and still not be successful.

Some of us just can't make ourselves do certain methods, regardless of potential success rate. Some of us can't afford or are otherwise unable to locate components from other methods too. Lots of threads on here about how surprisingly difficult it can be to kill yourself even when you really really want to... and then it's possible to die completely by accident quite easily at other times.

I remember, randomly, when Christopher Reeve has his horse riding accident that rendered him permanently paralyzed the rest of his life. Probably a few years after him I saw video of another person, riding a horse, having virtually the same accident landing on their head the exact same way as Reeve's accident looked... and that person got up, brushed themself off and was just a little sore the next couple of days. It's crazy how things work out sometimes.

 

[Jello Biafra]

That's fair. All of these methods have problems. There are very few "sure things" and you don't always know the variables. I mean, a lot of the people who have failed in their attempts, when you find out the details you realized they did something that obviously was going to hamper their success. Also, smaller people have an easier time with something like CO than a larger person like me will because a smaller person doesn't need as much CO to saturate their system.

It doesn't take that much CO to kill you really... way less than people think. But people have survived very high concentrations of CO that would surprise you as well. Almost every method discussed here has ways in which you can do most everything correctly and still not be successful.

Some of us just can't make ourselves do certain methods, regardless of potential success rate. Some of us can't afford or are otherwise unable to locate components from other methods too. Lots of threads on here about how surprisingly difficult it can be to kill yourself even when you really really want to... and then it's possible to die completely by accident quite easily at other times.

I remember, randomly, when Christopher Reeve has his horse riding accident that rendered him permanently paralyzed the rest of his life. Probably a few years after him I saw video of another person, riding a horse, having virtually the same accident landing on their head the exact same way as Reeve's accident looked... and that person got up, brushed themself off and was just a little sore the next couple of days. It's crazy how things work out sometimes.

Absolutely agree with everything you said - especially the part about failures and upon closer examination, there may have been some obvious variables that hampered the success of such methods. Indeed, that's why these discussions are important - so we can iron out the variables that could lead to failure.

I also agree that a lot of us don't have access to more easy, sure fire methods. For example, I recently was permanently put in a wheelchair and lost 90% of the use of my fingers (they are curled up in to fists except my thumbs from nerve damage).

Another thing to keep in mind is the anecdotes on this website are going to be skewed for the simple fact that only the failures are going to come back here and report about it - it very well could be that 1000 people try method X, 900 of them are successful which we don't here about, and then we get 100 posts on here talking about said failure - which makes it look like method X is not viable.

You probably know a lot more about CO than I do, so I will withdraw from the conversation.

I would like to add to your mention about Chris Reeves. When people talk about falling from great heights, which is almost certainly going to be lethal as long as it's high enough, it always reminds me of that woman from Europe who fell out of a burning plane from 30,000 feet without a parachute and lived. Not only did she live, but after a year in the hospital she was completely back to normal.

 

[Dejected 55]

Absolutely agree with everything you said - especially the part about failures and upon closer examination, there may have been some obvious variables that hampered the success of such methods. Indeed, that's why these discussions are important - so we can iron out the variables that could lead to failure.

I also agree that a lot of us don't have access to more easy, sure fire methods. For example, I recently was permanently put in a wheelchair and lost 90% of the use of my fingers (they are curled up in to fists except my thumbs from nerve damage).

Another thing to keep in mind is the anecdotes on this website are going to be skewed for the simple fact that only the failures are going to come back here and report about it - it very well could be that 1000 people try method X, 900 of them are successful which we don't here about, and then we get 100 posts on here talking about said failure - which makes it look like method X is not viable.

You probably know a lot more about CO than I do, so I will withdraw from the conversation.

I would like to add to your mention about Chris Reeves. When people talk about falling from great heights, which is almost certainly going to be lethal as long as it's high enough, it always reminds me of that woman from Europe who fell out of a burning plane from 30,000 feet without a parachute and lived. Not only did she live, but after a year in the hospital she was completely back to normal.

It's the same thing with reviews online and comments on manufacturer's Web sites. People who are happy with their product purchases tend to not comment about it, because they are enjoying their purchase. People are more motivated to complain on Web sites because they need help or an answer to a problem. So if you look there, results are going to skew that direction. Someone once said that if aliens landed on our planet and visited hospital emergency rooms, they might conclude that everyone is sick all the time because of course healthy people are not going to visit hospitals to talk about how good they feel. But it can be hard to know where to get all the random sampling necessary to conclude real status.

So, as you say, the only people on this forum are people like me who haven't tried yet, and people who tried and failed. No successful suicide comes back to tell us what worked. We can also learn wrong lessons too... people who try and are unsuccessful come here and say what they did and we might conclude they failed because of XX... but their attempt might be completely unrelated to that "obvious" flaw. Also, they might could attempt in exactly the same way 10 times and it work 7/10 times... but if they try once or twice they will logically bail on it and try something different.

I'm not an expert on CO... but I've looked into it more than a lot of other methods once it caught my eye as possible. I originally counted it out because modern cars are almost impossible to do it like when I was a kid... but then I got tuned into other options for CO that seemed more attractive, possible, and use things I already have so no money required to play.

Falling is an interesting thing. Too short of a distance and you might not get a scratch... too mid-range of a distance and you might really injure yourself but still survive... then there's the sweet spot where most likely death occurs... but then, physics is funny like this... you go up high enough and you almost improve your chances in a weird way. Depends a lot on what your surroundings are... like in the case of falling from a plane, you might land in water or in trees or potentially a "soft" landing and the 30,000 feet really doesn't mean anything because it's so far beyond terminal velocity and wind can actually keep you afloat and "save" you to a degree. Jumping off a tall building and landing on the street or sidewalk is not likely survivable once you get up 10-20 stories I think... but going higher doesn't make it more dangerous as you might think.

 

[hazelmoon]

This can be disabled. I disabled it on my generac generator in preparation for this. Found how to on YouTube.

Simply required cutting two wires going to the sensor and connecting them directly together.

Really?? I saw a thread about it on Reddit but didn't even click on it. I did find an older model generator on marketplace (google says it's like a 90s-early 2000s model) and I don't think it has the CO shutoff. I'm supposed to be going to pick it up in a couple days so im excited

 

[kurgan]

Really?? I saw a thread about it on Reddit but didn't even click on it. I did find an older model generator on marketplace (google says it's like a 90s-early 2000s model) and I don't think it has the CO shutoff. I'm supposed to be going to pick it up in a couple days so im excited

Hello was the generator any good?

 

[worthless123]

Absolutely agree with everything you said - especially the part about failures and upon closer examination, there may have been some obvious variables that hampered the success of such methods. Indeed, that's why these discussions are important - so we can iron out the variables that could lead to failure.

I also agree that a lot of us don't have access to more easy, sure fire methods. For example, I recently was permanently put in a wheelchair and lost 90% of the use of my fingers (they are curled up in to fists except my thumbs from nerve damage).

Another thing to keep in mind is the anecdotes on this website are going to be skewed for the simple fact that only the failures are going to come back here and report about it - it very well could be that 1000 people try method X, 900 of them are successful which we don't here about, and then we get 100 posts on here talking about said failure - which makes it look like method X is not viable.

You probably know a lot more about CO than I do, so I will withdraw from the conversation.

I would like to add to your mention about Chris Reeves. When people talk about falling from great heights, which is almost certainly going to be lethal as long as it's high enough, it always reminds me of that woman from Europe who fell out of a burning plane from 30,000 feet without a parachute and lived. Not only did she live, but after a year in the hospital she was completely back to normal.

That woman broke like half the bones in her body, was paralyzed for almost a year and never fully recovered. She walked with a limp for the rest of her life. The other 28 people on the plane fell to their deaths.

 

[Jello Biafra]

That woman broke like half the bones in her body, was paralyzed for almost a year and never fully recovered. She walked with a limp for the rest of her life. The other 28 people on the plane fell to their deaths.

We must be speaking about a different woman, the plane she fell fro I believe only had 3 people on it. It wasn't a passenger plane.

 

[PyolaR]

I'm wanting to use the portable instant BBQ method, I can't find any info on how to do it correctly. I'm planning on doing it in a car. Can anyone advise please?

 

[itsgone2]

I'm wanting to use the portable instant BBQ method, I can't find any info on how to do it correctly. I'm planning on doing it in a car. Can anyone advise please?

If you start looking at CO threads you'll see more suggested but basically it's tough because you have to seal everything. Not easy. But ppl have died with little charcoal and others live with a lot.
This seems a great solution though.

 

[castlebravo]

I'm also considering a generator. I have a decent sized one on wheels. I was going to put it in the back of my car (a station wagon). I'd test it of course. I'll put a CO monitor on the dash or duct taped to a window so I can read the levels inside.