Help citric acid + baking soda

[sulk]

I was researching this method and I think it's reliable in high concentration. I was wondering how much citric acid and baking soda I would need in order for it to be instantly lethal?

 

[rachybee]

I've never heard of this. What is citric acid? Is it easily accessible?

 

[Darkover]

i have a 1 meter by 1 meter by 2 meter room how much citric acid and baking soda do i need to produce 40,000ppm

To calculate how much citric acid and baking soda you need to produce 40,000 ppm (parts per million) of CO2CO2 in your 1 m×1 m×2 m1m×1m×2m room, follow these steps:
Step 1: Calculate the volume of the room

The room volume is:
1 m×1 m×2 m=2 m3
1m×1m×2m=2m3

Convert m3m3 to liters:
1 m3=1000 L
1m3=1000L
2 m3=2000 L
2m3=2000L
Step 2: Calculate the mass of CO2CO2 required for 40,000 ppm

40,000 ppm means 40,000 parts of CO2CO2 per 1,000,000 parts of air. This is equivalent to 4% by volume.

The mass of CO2CO2 can be calculated using the ideal gas law approximation:

1 mole of CO2CO2 occupies 22.4 L22.4L at standard temperature and pressure (STP).

The number of moles of CO2CO2 required:
Volume of CO2=2000 L×0.04=80 L
Volume of CO2=2000L×0.04=80L
Moles of CO2=80 L22.4 L/mol=3.571 mol
Moles of CO2=22.4L/mol80L=3.571mol

Mass of CO2CO2 needed:
Mass=3.571 mol×44.01 g/mol=157.1 g
Mass=3.571mol×44.01g/mol=157.1g
Step 3: Calculate the reactants needed

From the reaction:
C6H8O7+3NaHCO3→3CO2+H2O+Na3C6H5O7
C6H8O7+3NaHCO3→3CO2+H2O+Na3C6H5O7

1 mole of citric acid produces 3 moles of CO2CO2.
Molar masses:
Citric acid (C6H8O7C6H8O7): 192.12 g/mol192.12g/mol
Baking soda (NaHCO3NaHCO3): 84.01 g/mol84.01g/mol

To produce 3.571 mol3.571mol of CO2CO2, you need:

Citric acid: 3.5713=1.190 mol33.571=1.190mol
Baking soda: 3.571 mol3.571mol

Masses of reactants:

Citric acid: 1.190 mol×192.12 g/mol=228.7 g1.190mol×192.12g/mol=228.7g
Baking soda: 3.571 mol×84.01 g/mol=300.1 g3.571mol×84.01g/mol=300.1g

Final Answer:

To achieve 40,000 ppm CO2CO2 in your room:

Citric acid: 229 g
Baking soda: 300 g

 

[sulk]

I've never heard of this. What is citric acid? Is it easily accessible?

citric acid is a compound from lemon juice. u can buy it on amazon if u look it up

 

[noidea1984]

I was researching this method and I think it's reliable in high concentration. I was wondering how much citric acid and baking soda I would need in order for it to be instantly lethal?

This method has a problem: what you're producing is carbon DIoxide, not carbon MONoxide. CO2 buildup in your blood is the exact thing that causes you to panic when you hold your breath for too long, so chances are you won't have a peaceful death of any sort.

 

[Loaf of bread]

This method has a problem: what you're producing is carbon DIoxide, not carbon MONoxide. CO2 buildup in your blood is the exact thing that causes you to panic when you hold your breath for too long, so chances are you won't have a peaceful death of any sort.

Ive heard only low-medium levels of CO2 cause pain. High levels of CO2 are painless?

 

[Unspoken7612]

Among all suicide methods I have seen suggested, this is the fourth stupidest. First is still trying to commit suicide with a nuclear weapon.

Carbon dioxide is a bad way to go. It's unreliable, slow, and painful.

Producing it through the reaction of sodium bicarbonate (sodium hydrogen carbonate) with acid is particularly stupid: it's slow, requires large volumes of reactants (Darkover's calculations are optimistic for a number of reasons, including assuming a small room with zero ventilation, assuming pure citric acid, assuming 100% reaction efficiency, and assuming death at 4% CO2). Realistically I think you'd need around 100 times that amount of lemon juice and about 5 times that much sodium bicarbonate.

Regardless of whether it is true that high levels of CO2 are painless (that seems poorly evidenced), you can only get high levels by gradually increasing from low levels. A 2000 litre container would need to contain 200 litres of 5% citric acid solution.

 

[idelttoilfsadness21]

i have a 1 meter by 1 meter by 2 meter room how much citric acid and baking soda do i need to produce 40,000ppm

To calculate how much citric acid and baking soda you need to produce 40,000 ppm (parts per million) of CO2CO2 in your 1 m×1 m×2 m1m×1m×2m room, follow these steps:
Step 1: Calculate the volume of the room

The room volume is:
1 m×1 m×2 m=2 m3
1m×1m×2m=2m3

Convert m3m3 to liters:
1 m3=1000 L
1m3=1000L
2 m3=2000 L
2m3=2000L
Step 2: Calculate the mass of CO2CO2 required for 40,000 ppm

40,000 ppm means 40,000 parts of CO2CO2 per 1,000,000 parts of air. This is equivalent to 4% by volume.

The mass of CO2CO2 can be calculated using the ideal gas law approximation:

1 mole of CO2CO2 occupies 22.4 L22.4L at standard temperature and pressure (STP).

The number of moles of CO2CO2 required:
Volume of CO2=2000 L×0.04=80 L
Volume of CO2=2000L×0.04=80L
Moles of CO2=80 L22.4 L/mol=3.571 mol
Moles of CO2=22.4L/mol80L=3.571mol

Mass of CO2CO2 needed:
Mass=3.571 mol×44.01 g/mol=157.1 g
Mass=3.571mol×44.01g/mol=157.1g
Step 3: Calculate the reactants needed

From the reaction:
C6H8O7+3NaHCO3→3CO2+H2O+Na3C6H5O7
C6H8O7+3NaHCO3→3CO2+H2O+Na3C6H5O7

1 mole of citric acid produces 3 moles of CO2CO2.
Molar masses:
Citric acid (C6H8O7C6H8O7): 192.12 g/mol192.12g/mol
Baking soda (NaHCO3NaHCO3): 84.01 g/mol84.01g/mol

To produce 3.571 mol3.571mol of CO2CO2, you need:

Citric acid: 3.5713=1.190 mol33.571=1.190mol
Baking soda: 3.571 mol3.571mol

Masses of reactants:

Citric acid: 1.190 mol×192.12 g/mol=228.7 g1.190mol×192.12g/mol=228.7g
Baking soda: 3.571 mol×84.01 g/mol=300.1 g3.571mol×84.01g/mol=300.1g

Final Answer:

To achieve 40,000 ppm CO2CO2 in your room:

Citric acid: 229 g
Baking soda: 300 g

I just wished actual scientists could just kill us… this is so complicated for me :((

This method has a problem: what you're producing is carbon DIoxide, not carbon MONoxide. CO2 buildup in your blood is the exact thing that causes you to panic when you hold your breath for too long, so chances are you won't have a peaceful death of any sort.

I wish unethical practices were brought back so people could be dead without having to resort to becoming crippled or blind by our own actions because the government hates people to be happy and wants slaves to exist :((

 

[noidea1984]

Ive heard only low-medium levels of CO2 cause pain. High levels of CO2 are painless?

I can't say for certain if a high concentration is painless, but it will still surely make you panic a lot.