Charcoal co in tent - method advice

[406blue]

Sounds good, I plan a very small opiate/cider dose just to calm any physical anxiety.

People talk a lot about the survival instinct and the need to pee seems to me to be potentially part of the system. Lots of fluids when there are other options available for the knockout seems a pointless risk, if we're honing these things down to the bone. Cider opiates combo has a good feel to it. It's just that with CO, we don't know the concentration it might be an hour it might be 6. A heavy dose of benzos would be my choice, as i don't have access to opiates, enough to take me out for 12 hours with a glass or two of vodka to a.maximize the toxicity and b.relax the stress.

 

[weedoge]

People talk a lot about the survival instinct and the need to pee seems to me to be potentially part of the system. Lots of fluids when there are other options available for the knockout seems a pointless risk, if we're honing these things down to the bone. Cider opiates combo has a good feel to it. It's just that with CO, we don't know the concentration it might be an hour it might be 6. A heavy dose of benzos would be my choice, as i don't have access to opiates, enough to take me out for 12 hours with a glass or two of vodka to a.maximize the toxicity and b.relax the stress.

Medication has no effect on the toxicity of CO from what I'm aware, I'm not using it for sedation or anything just a bit of calm.

Although yea a large benzo dose seems like the best I just can't seem to get hold of that.

 

[406blue]

Medication has no effect on the toxicity of CO from what I'm aware, I'm not using it for sedation or anything just a bit of calm.

Although yea a large benzo dose seems like the best I just can't seem to get hold of that.

I meant the toxicity of the drugs, really. Not the CO. I have read and experienced that a relatively small amount of alcohol increases the impact of benzodiazepemes and i imagine opiates perhaps on the central nervous system. As for the sedation, the accounts i have read about people waking up involving CO and recovering, lean me towards the concept of knocking myself out with maximum force during the process. Why wouldn't one want to having the choice. You can get xanax from your doctor. The objective is to remain unconscious long enough for the CO to do its work. Just my two penny worth.

 

[weedoge]

I meant the toxicity of the drugs, really. Not the CO. I have read and experienced that a relatively small amount of alcohol increases the impact of benzodiazepemes and i imagine opiates perhaps on the central nervous system. As for the sedation, the accounts i have read about people waking up involving CO and recovering, lean me towards the concept of knocking myself out with maximum force during the process. Why wouldn't one want to having the choice. You can get xanax from your doctor. Just my two penny worth.

I definitely can't get xanax from my doctor :( but I uunderstand.. I'm not too concerned about waking up or discomfort, people died by gradual CO exposure accidentally in the past and also acute exposure. I take the stories of those who saved themselves and suffered horrible side effects with a pinch of salt really since I've never seen evidence to support.

 

[406blue]

I definitely can't get xanax from my doctor :( but I uunderstand.. I'm not too concerned about waking up or discomfort, people died by gradual CO exposure accidentally in the past and also acute exposure. I take the stories of those who saved themselves and suffered horrible side effects with a pinch of salt really since I've never seen evidence to support.

I understand your point about people accidentally dying from CO, it's just a question of maximizing the potential for me. A recent case in the uk involved a man waking up feeling dreadful with his partner dead beside him after an accidental bbq incident. Was it body mass, their positions in the tent, the amount of alcohol they consumed, that he wanted to pee, something random in his system, air vents in certain places, we don't really know. This is why i'm inclined to knock myself out for as long as possible and minimize the random variables. Having two people in there must have diminished the available CO. I'm sorry you can't get benzos from your gp but you do seem to have the opiate access anyway. I wish you well.

 

[weedoge]

I understand your point about people accidentally dying from CO, it's just a question of maximizing the potential for me. A recent case in the uk involved a man waking up feeling dreadful with his partner dead beside him after an accidental bbq incident. Was it body mass, their positions in the tent, the amount of alcohol they consumed, we don't really know. Having two people in there must have diminished the available CO. I'm sorry you can't get benzos from your gp but you do seem to have the opiate access anyway. I wish you well.

Id wager a guess that it was positionining in the tent. Due to how the mechanism works positioning and blood volume are probably the bigger factors. There was a teen who died from co in a tent with her family because the co pooled where he head was and nobody else was affected as severely.

I get you though I would definitely take a knock out dose of benzos if I could. Docs won't give me them because I'm known to abuse meds.

 

[406blue]

Id wager a guess that it was positionining in the tent. Due to how the mechanism works positioning and blood volume are probably the bigger factors. There was a teen who died from co in a tent with her family because the co pooled where he head was and nobody else was affected as severely.

I get you though I would definitely take a knock out dose of benzos if I could. Docs won't give me them because I'm known to abuse meds.

I think i read a similar account of a young child who died while the rest of the family survived, also in the uk and where the head position seemed to be critical ie at the back of the tent. Blood volume in children and woman are lower than the average male i imagine. I rarely have come across multiple fatalities from CO in the same space, maybe one or two in japan and korea in cars, but more often single people or just one from a group. It seems to come down to the number of human lungs involved, the space and the CO emitted. If you have opiates, don't worry about the doctor.

 

[lv-gras]

I think i read a similar account of a young child who died while the rest of the family survived, also in the uk and where the head position seemed to be critical ie at the back of the tent. Blood volume in children and woman are lower than the average male i imagine. I rarely have come across multiple fatalities from CO in the same space, maybe one or two in japan and korea in cars, but more often single people or just one from a group. It seems to come down to the number of human lungs involved, the space and the CO emitted. If you have opiates, don't worry about the doctor.

small kids are more vulnerable to this kind of thing than usual

 

[406blue]

small kids are more vulnerable to this kind of thing than usual

Children and women seem to be victims of CO more often than men in accidental CO incidents, from what i can tell.

 

[Otto]

I failed at this method due to burning my leg on the bbq whilst I was passed out and survival instincts cut in never underestimate how strong the will to live is .

 

[Dani Paradox]

This might seem a not very serious point but i have put some thought into it, re bottle of scotch. Bearing in mind the amount of involved thought that goes into this method, any method for that. My experience is that lots of drink can wake me up from the most profound deep sleep for a piss. Personally, if i were going to do this i would want to minimize the alcohol to a few glasses and maximize the benzos. Just a thought.

Oh, if I still was able to get my benzo prescription then I would dope the fuck up on them. Unfortunately no doctor will give them to me. They say that the industry started cracking down on the prescriptions because people abuse them, and they basically told me to go fuck myself. I know that a fifth of scotch will knock me out for at least a few hours though, and that's enough time to die. I drink so much that I once passed out cold with Chop Suey! by System of a Down BLASTING on my computer and I seriously slept for nearly two hours with it on repeat. My dad even came in to shut it off when he got home and he had trouble even waking me up. He managed to wake me up for like 60 seconds and I didn't even remember talking to him after lol. I drink so much that I'm surprised I haven't slipped into a coma and died of alcohol poisoning. I won't be piss drunk while I'm setting up the tent and whatnot, but once it's all set up and I'm waiting for that charcoal to burn down outside...….I'm going bottoms up and just drinking as much as I possibly can.. Then once the charcoal stops smoking I'll just have to go in the tent with it. Then Dani's going into the big sleep :)

 

[Dani Paradox]

I failed at this method due to burning my leg on the bbq whilst I was passed out and survival instincts cut in never underestimate how strong the will to live is .

I have wondered about that... I have yet to actually experience just how hot the bucket is going to be... I think I may buy a couple of more buckets for it to go inside and then perhaps insulate them with pieces of cloth. Like, bucket of charcoal wrapped with t-shirts inside of another bucket, more t shirts, another bucket..... But then again, I've honestly been so drunk while curled up next to a camp fire, and it combusted and sent burning embers all over my face in my sleep, and I wiped my face, and when I woke up my face was all burned and scabby and I didn't remember a damn thing.....

 

[Leo]

I have wondered about that... I have yet to actually experience just how hot the bucket is going to be... I think I may buy a couple of more buckets for it to go inside and then perhaps insulate them with pieces of cloth. Like, bucket of charcoal wrapped with t-shirts inside of another bucket, more t shirts, another bucket..... But then again, I've honestly been so drunk while curled up next to a camp fire, and it combusted and sent burning embers all over my face in my sleep, and I wiped my face, and when I woke up my face was all burned and scabby and I didn't remember a damn thing.....

Better buy some Polystyrene and stick around bucket with some strong glue.

 

[Dani Paradox]

People talk a lot about the survival instinct and the need to pee seems to me to be potentially part of the system. Lots of fluids when there are other options available for the knockout seems a pointless risk, if we're honing these things down to the bone. Cider opiates combo has a good feel to it. It's just that with CO, we don't know the concentration it might be an hour it might be 6. A heavy dose of benzos would be my choice, as i don't have access to opiates, enough to take me out for 12 hours with a glass or two of vodka to a.maximize the toxicity and b.relax the stress.

Yeah, scotch ain't knocking me out for twelve hours.... :/ Now, if I were to take 7 clonazepams with the bottle of scotch.....yeah, 12 hours. lol. Sucks that I can't get them. You don't need to worry about passing out for that long, though. Multiple pounds of charcoal inside of a tiny ass two person tent......you'll be dead within two hours.

 

[Dani Paradox]

Better buy some Polystyrene and stick around bucket with some strong glue.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Leo]

something like this around the bucket
To avoid burning.

 

[Dani Paradox]

View attachment 1710 something like this around the bucket
To avoid burning.

I like that idea :D

 

[Otto]

Oh, if I still was able to get my benzo prescription then I would dope the fuck up on them. Unfortunately no doctor will give them to me. They say that the industry started cracking down on the prescriptions because people abuse them, and they basically told me to go fuck myself. I know that a fifth of scotch will knock me out for at least a few hours though, and that's enough time to die. I drink so much that I once passed out cold with Chop Suey! by System of a Down BLASTING on my computer and I seriously slept for nearly two hours with it on repeat. My dad even came in to shut it off when he got home and he had trouble even waking me up. He managed to wake me up for like 60 seconds and I didn't even remember talking to him after lol. I drink so much that I'm surprised I haven't slipped into a coma and died of alcohol poisoning. I won't be piss drunk while I'm setting up the tent and whatnot, but once it's all set up and I'm waiting for that charcoal to burn down outside...….I'm going bottoms up and just drinking as much as I possibly can.. Then once the charcoal stops smoking I'll just have to go in the tent with it. Then Dani's going into the big sleep :)

I get benzos each month from psych no problem

 

[Dani Paradox]

View attachment 1710 something like this around the bucket
To avoid burning.

Wait, wouldn't that just melt? lol it sounded nice for a minute and then I was like hey, wait loll

 

[Dani Paradox]

I get benzos each month from psych no problem

You must be from outside the united states

 

[Otto]

Yes UK since I came out of psych ward over a year ago

 

[Otto]

You can just get fire blanket or heat proof mate

 

[406blue]

A single metal bucket of warm coals is going to burn that polystyrene in no time and smoke the place out.

I think it's better to burn your coals in a chimney starter and distribute them into several smaller metal containers like saucepans or frying pans, limiting the heat generated in each spot. In a small tent this might be harder than in a car. The coals don't need to be very hot but putting them all in a single metal bucket is going to generate a lot of heat anyway, i tried it. Prevent each container from making direct contact with the floor by setting them on bricks. Having said all that it might be the case that the CO generated is higher in a single, more enclosed vessel as opposed to several more shallow ones.

 

[406blue]

In uk you can camp legally on Dartmoor or on any Scottish land. Otherwise use a campsite, most are due to shut for winter soon but some are open all year.

https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk

I used to live near dartmoor, i can't imagine a better place to go for this.

 

[406blue]

You must be from outside the united states

In france as well it's easy enough, as long as i'm able to turn up each month seeming reasonably sane which i admit is getting harder.

 

[406blue]

I'm in the uk too. Going this way. Someone mentioned to me that B&q will soon have a sale on charcoal starters and bits. Someone else advised me to order yellow gas tape online for sealing the tent. I never heard of yellow gas tape but bought some on ebay. I am using a regatta malawi tent. It's the one that lady used.
Yes I also need informatioon on where to tape it.
Someone told me too to make sure the charcoal burns for around 2 hours and combusts, bring into the tent when the ashes are grey, yet some may still be slightly glowing.
There shouldn't be much if any smoke. Wait for them to cool before bringing into tent and using a heat mat is a good idea or a tray of water beneath the charcoal starter.

Thats all the advice I can remember given to me but i should also take notes and keep revising over it so i can think and act quickly on the day

Good post. But pouring the coals out of the chimney into two seperate containers will reduce the heat generated in a particular spot by 50 percent, naturally. My experiments with the whole heat issue gave better results this way. I think it's crucial not to have too much heat, from the point of view of CO generated and general safety and comfort. I waited until i could place my hand about 6 inches above the containers and feeling the warmth but not too hot, put them in the car on bricks and waited 30 minutes to see how warm it got inside and if the floor was getting hot. It seemed reasonably acceptable. Doing this in winter as opposed to high summer might also make sense. In a tent, there ought to be no reason why you also can't find the space for two. As you say, you need to experiment with this.

 

[weedoge]

Good post. But pouring the coals out of the chimney into two seperate containers will reduce the heat generated in a particular spot by 50 percent, naturally. My experiments with the whole heat issue gave better results this way. I think it's crucial not to have too much heat, from the point of view of CO generated and general safety and comfort. I waited until i could place my hand about 6 inches above the containers and feeling the warmth but not too hot, put them in the car on bricks and waited 30 minutes to see how warm it got inside and if the floor was getting hot. It seemed reasonably acceptable. Doing this in winter as opposed to high summer might also make sense. In a tent, there ought to be no reason why you also can't find the space for two. As you say, you need to experiment with this.

Its not really required if you have something underneath like another container with a couple inches of water for the downward heat. Heat above the bucket will dissipate fast enough to be of little concern.

 

[406blue]

Its not really required if you have something underneath like another container with a couple inches of water for the downward heat. Heat above the bucket will dissipate fast enough to be of little concern.

Have you experimented and if so can you explain some details, please? I'd like to know exactly how you went about it, if possible. When i tried this, emptying a chimney of warm coals into a single metal bucket produced a lot of heat as the thing is a funnel and not a low lying tray. It's good to get them started in a chimney but i wonder about the wisdom of leaving them in another steel, high sided bucket. The top ones might remain quite cool but at the bottom it got very fiery. Dissipating this energy into two different utensils seems rational to me. As long as the chimney has dome it's job, all the coals ought to be emitting CO by now, and don't care if they are in a bucket anymore.

 

[weedoge]

Have you experimented and if so can you explain some details, please? I'd like to know exactly how you went about it, if possible. When i tried this, emptying a chimney of warm coals into a single metal bucket produced a lot of heat as the thing is a funnel and not a low lying tray. It's good to get them started in a chimney but i wonder about the wisdom of leaving them in another steel, high sided bucket. The top ones might remain quite cool but at the bottom it got very fiery. Dissipating this energy into two different utensils seems rational to me. As long as the chimney has dome it's job, all the coals ought to be emitting CO by now, and don't care if they are in a bucket anymore.

I haven't experimented but others have and others also succeeded with just one container. Even if you used 2 containers you would still need some insulation beneath. Heat mats are good, a container with a few inches of water is even better as it will cool enough to not melt the fire retardent material.

I feel one container is best in a tent because using multiple containers means less room for yourself in the tent. Less oxygen getting to coals = more CO production so spreading them might even be a worse idea. Just wait a while for the coals to cool after tipping them out of the chimney and then place the bucket on top of anything with adequate insulating. Couple of bricks, heat mats, container with water, these are all good enough.

Edit: the weather is much cooler where I am now too so not melting the tent is my only concern. Comfort not really an issue now.

 

[406blue]

I have located a decent place in a forest that i know well, which by midnight will be safe from random wanderers, 200 metres up a disused track. Attach a paper to the screen of the car saying to call the emergency services. The plan is to light the 1kg of coals at the rear of the car so that anyone passing won't remotely notice flames, using wood based impregnated blocks in a chimney and then pour them out into two metal containers and wait for them to become warm but not cool and grey etc. Place them in the back of the car a few feet apart, it's an estate, on bricks, with aluminium foil underneath to dissipate heat.Tape up the door and boot joints with heavy duty tape except for the entry point and make sure the ventilation points are closed in the car. While doing all this i will be drinking a glass or two of vodka and taking a tranquilliser or two, just to try to relax. The ignition will be off, as i have read that co can cause explosions with electrical circuits, i have no idea how true this might be so will use earphones and probably some bach to accompany me.

By then the coals will have been in there for 20 minutes or so and i can check for the heat and how they are feeling. I don't want to wait too long before getting in because otherwise i'm likely to overwhelmed by CO before the drugs really kick in, assuming it's going to plan.Take the powdered down 100mg or so of tranquillisers mixed with vodka if all seems well and lie in the back seats, quickly closing the door.
I can't seem to find a better way with this method after taking notes of everyone's point of view in here.