Can we stay neutral in the Israel-Palestine conflict if our governments fund it?

[noname223]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands. I attended 4 protests pro-Palestine. And there was very close to zero antisemitism. I would say 95% of the people there were free of antisemitism considering the speeches I listened to. Considering the posters I saw.

Always when I say to other German students I went to pro-palestine they assume the protestors were low-key antisemitic. And none of them actually ever went to a protest. It is probably the German media that gives them this impression. The takes of German media pundits are ridiculous. My therapist considered it threatening to jews attending such protests.

Soon I will have a party. My college friend is more Israel friendly. And my two closest friends I knew from my school days are absolutely pro-Palestine. And wear Kufiyaa. I already see a massive argument incoming.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it? Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire. Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war. So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

There are some Western nations that acknowledged the state Palestine. But they only wanted to wash their hands clean from the blood. It is a symbolic act nothing more.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands

You don't have blood on your hands, your government does, which is nothing new. I don't think Germany ever stood at the right side of history.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

There are people in Germany who protest against it but the police act brutally to silence them. I've seen many vidoes of them punching and arresting people in peaceful protests.

Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire

Israel is a rabid dog that only exists because after stealing Palestinian land, so what's new.

Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war.

You remove Netanyahu and another Netanyahu replaces him. The entire Israeli government is full of Psychopaths since its creation.

So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

Nobody wants a Nobel Peace Prize for Trump. I certainly don't. He has the blood of around a million innocent people on his hands.

 

[struggles_inc]

If you didn't ask your government to fund a war, your citizenship says nothing. No matter the regime, you literally don't have a say how the state wastes the money from taxes — ripping you off.

People try to cope by finding something tangible to blame, because blaming the untouchable elites would mean one doesn't have any control over their lives.

Parties, protests, votes… in the big picture stopped making a change like 200 years ago.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I don't mean to invalidate the work of people who are politically active and try to make a change - I love seeing you guys doing better step by step. But personally, I'm pretty burnt out from politics.

 

[noname223]

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

Germany sends military weapons to Israel. In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government. But we in Germany have a right to protest.
Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Germany sends military weapons to Israel

Yes.

In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government.

Not really.

But we in Germany have a right to protest

You can protest everywhere.

Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

You can say one thing and do the other. I wouldn't believe the words of someone whose grandfather was a high ranked Nazi.

 

[Hvergelmir]

I wouldn't believe the words of someone whose grandfather was a high ranked Nazi.

There are probably plenty of resons to mistrust German politicians, but which party their grandparent associated with is not one of them!

 

[hibikikyuxx]

There are probably plenty of resons to mistrust German politicians, but which party their grandparent associated with is not one of them!

You misunderstood my comment. I'm not calling Merz out because of who his grandfather was but because of his opinion for him. Merz once described his grandfather, Josef Paul Sauvigny, as an admirable role model. And that was back in 2004.

 

[noname223]

You misunderstood my comment. I'm not calling Merz out because of who his grandfather was but because of his opinion for him. Merz once described his grandfather, Josef Paul Sauvigny, as an admirable role model. And that was back in 2004.

This happened in 2004. You can find quotes of almost every high politician that were extremely stupid and controversial.

I would not evaluate the policies of a politician based on something they said two decades ago. Personally, I hate Merz but such a critique based on Such a quote is ridiculous.

By the way can you remember when Putin expressed admiration of a certain rapist because These actions proved his alleged strength?

Russia: Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

www.theguardian.com

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

Putin:
"He turned out to be a strong man, raped 10 women," the Russian president was quoted by Russian media as saying at a meeting in Moscow with Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert. "I never would have expected it of him. He has surprised us all, we all envy him!

Happened in 2006. Are you bothered by that statement? Do you think this should change your view of Putin? If not, why?

 

[hibikikyuxx]

This happened in 2004. You can find quotes of almost every high politician that were extremely stupid and controversial

Interviews from the recent years prove that Merz still admires his grandfather and the fact that he supports Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, should tell you what kind of person he is.

By the way can you remember when Putin expressed admiration of a certain rapist because These actions proved his alleged strength?

Russia: Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

www.theguardian.com

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

Putin:
"He turned out to be a strong man, raped 10 women," the Russian president was quoted by Russian media as saying at a meeting in Moscow with Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert. "I never would have expected it of him. He has surprised us all, we all envy him!

Happened in 2006. Are you bothered by that statement? Do you think this should change your view of Putin? If not, why?

Merz voted against criminalising marital rape.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...onald-trump-europe-us-afd-11740361255500.html

Happend in 1997.

Merz praised Israel for doing their dirty work.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104

Merz: "This is dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us. The Iranian regime has brought death and destruction to the world. I can only say, I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army had the courage to do this, that the Israeli state leadership had the courage to do this."

Happend in 2025.

Zelensky and Trudeau gave a standing ovation for a Waffen SS veteran in Canada's parliament in 2023.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...-ovation-waffen-ss-veteran-canadas-parliament

Zelensky signed the flag of the 14th Galician SS Division 2 weeks after that.



All you're doing here is pointing fingers. We're talking about Merz so I don't understand why you're bringing other world leaders into it, as if I already don't know that they're all corrupt. Never have I talked highly of a single one of them.

 

[asaṅkhata]

You have to stay somehwat neutral in order to protect your own dignity. Getting emotionally involved in foreign conflicts is not a good look.

On the other hand I can understand the need for some kind of activism when were dealing with this level inhumanity. The best thing to do is to critifize your own governement for its involvement, but to not be obsessively pro palestine or anti istael.

 

[noname223]

Interviews from the recent years prove that Merz still admires his grandfather and the fact that he supports Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, should tell you what kind of person he is.

Merz voted against criminalising marital rape.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...onald-trump-europe-us-afd-11740361255500.html

Happend in 1997.

Merz praised Israel for doing their dirty work.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104

Merz: "This is dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us. The Iranian regime has brought death and destruction to the world. I can only say, I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army had the courage to do this, that the Israeli state leadership had the courage to do this."

Happend in 2025.

Zelensky and Trudeau gave a standing ovation for a Waffen SS veteran in Canada's parliament in 2023.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...-ovation-waffen-ss-veteran-canadas-parliament

Zelensky signed the flag of the 14th Galician SS Division 2 weeks after that.



All you're doing here is pointing fingers. We're talking about Merz so I don't understand why you're bringing other world leaders into it, as if I already don't know that they're all corrupt. Never have I talked highly of a single one of them.

Well, your post is a Mix between True facts and misinformation in order to spread a certain Narrative. The Russian narrative of this war.

Zelensky signing an SS flag is already debunked. https://voxukraine.org/en/false-zelenskyi-wears-a-nazi-chevron-of-the-ss-galicia-division

Do you condemn Putin for praising a rapist? It might Show his true Character considering his army uses sexual violence against civilians and soldiers All which is documented in videos.

Sexual violence in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And Putin used rape rhetoric against Ukraine "like it or not, it's your duty, my beauty".

Rape Rhetoric and its Impact on Weaponised Sexual Violence in Ukraine

CW: sexual violence Just two weeks preceding Russia’s 2022 invasion, Vladimir Putin branded Ukraine ‘mine’. (1) He then suggested that Volodymyr Zelensky should allow for Russia’s acquirement of Kyiv through sexual violence rhetoric, translated as either ‘like it or not, it’s your duty, my...

www.gina.uk.com

"Shouldn't that tell you which kind of person He is?"

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Well, your post is a Mix between True facts and misinformation in order to spread a certain Narrative.

Not really. Just because you can't believe the facts, doesn't make them any less true.

The Russian narrative of this war.

Right, because you would obviously rather believe the narrative of the USA, the biggest terrorist country in the world, who support Israel's genocide against the Palestinians.

Zelensky signing an SS flag is already debunked. https://voxukraine.org/en/false-zelenskyi-wears-a-nazi-chevron-of-the-ss-galicia-division

You do realize that you're using a propaganda website for your agenda, right?

Was this debunked too?



Or this?


Or this?



Or this?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

Do you condemn Putin for praising a rapist?

Do you condemn Zelensky and Trudeau for applauding a Nazis? Do you condemn Trump and Netanyahu for committing genocide against the Palestinians? Do you condemn NATO for supporting Israel's genocide against the Palestinians? This pointing finger game you're playing is beyond childish.

It might Show his true Character considering his army uses sexual violence against civilians and soldiers All which is documented in videos

Sexual violence in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your source is Wikipedia? You mean the same website which is pro Israel?

Ukraine is no different. They raped and slaughtered an entire village full of villages. Growing up is realizing that both sides are bad.

https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1886044514823156189?t=Bcvckg8dTDJEIkkxq4oyBQ&s=19

And Putin used rape rhetoric against Ukraine "like it or not, it's your duty, my beauty".

Rape Rhetoric and its Impact on Weaponised Sexual Violence in Ukraine

CW: sexual violence Just two weeks preceding Russia’s 2022 invasion, Vladimir Putin branded Ukraine ‘mine’. (1) He then suggested that Volodymyr Zelensky should allow for Russia’s acquirement of Kyiv through sexual violence rhetoric, translated as either ‘like it or not, it’s your duty, my...

www.gina.uk.com

Ukrainians had that kind of mindset long before Putin was even born.

"Shouldn't that tell you which kind of person He is?"

Go check my comment history. I've repeatedly mentioned that I don't like Putin. Just because I also hate Zelensky, doesn't automatically mean that I'm picking a side. Both sides are both. But remind me, who is the new leader of Syria now? Ah right, Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, one of the most wanted terrorists in the world and the leader of the HTS who has a 10 million bounty.

And what was one of the first things he did? Commit genocide against the Alawites. I've seen the videos. Terrible. And who gave shelter to the fleeeing civilians? The Russians did.







Meanwhile your country (Germany) welcomed Jolani with open arms (at least that woman Baerbock did).

 

[noname223]

Not really. Just because you can't believe the facts, doesn't make them any less true.

Right, because you would obviously rather believe the narrative of the USA, the biggest terrorist country in the world, who support Israel's genocide against the Palestinians.
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You do realize that you're using a propaganda website for your agenda, right?

Was this debunked too?
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Or this?
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Or this?



Or this?
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

Do you condemn Zelensky and Trudeau for applauding a Nazis? Do you condemn Trump and Netanyahu for committing genocide against the Palestinians? Do you condemn NATO for supporting Israel's genocide against the Palestinians? This pointing finger game you're playing is beyond childish.

Your source is Wikipedia? You mean the same website which is pro Israel?

Ukraine is no different. They raped and slaughtered an entire village full of villages. Growing up is realizing that both sides are bad.

https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1886044514823156189?t=Bcvckg8dTDJEIkkxq4oyBQ&s=19

Ukrainians had that kind of mindset long before Putin was even born.
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Go check my comment history. I've repeatedly mentioned that I don't like Putin. Just because I also hate Zelensky, doesn't automatically mean that I'm picking a side. Both sides are both. But remind me, who is the new leader of Syria now? Ah right, Abu Mohammad al-Jolani, one of the most wanted terrorists in the world and the leader of the HTS who has a 10 million bounty.
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And what was one of the first things he did? Commit genocide against the Alawites. I've seen the videos. Terrible. And who gave shelter to the fleeeing civilians? The Russians did.







Meanwhile your country (Germany) welcomed Jolani with open arms (at least that woman Baerbock did).

My post just mirrored the game you are playing. Why do you accuse me of what Germany is doing while you stated that the people of China and Russia are not at all responsible at all for the actions of their government? Why should I be responsible for what Barebock did according to your own logic?

Moreover, you use rhetorical strawmen. Yes, Germany and the US are funding a genocide in Palestine. I repeated this very frequently in this forum. And I go to protests where these facts are stated. It is very weird you accuse me of that when the actual topic of this thread is that I took part in a pro-Palestine protest demonstrating against what Germany and the US are doing.

Do you condemn Trump and Netanyahu for committing genocide against the Palestinians?

This is what this thread is about.

Do you condemn NATO for supporting Israel's genocide against the Palestinians?

Yes, indeed.

Ukrainians had that kind of mindset long before Putin was even born.

So you go back to WW2 to make your point that Ukraine and its people are inherently evil? Sounds like a good excuse to invade the country, for raping civilians, undermining its autonomy and its right for self-determination as an independent country. This generalization is obviously racist too.

And what was one of the first things he did? Commit genocide against the Alawites. I've seen the videos. Terrible. And who gave shelter to the fleeeing civilians? The Russians did.

Maybe I missed it but when was I defending the new leaders of Syria? My point is to be nuanced in judgement. And you just assume I was supporting Jolani because the foreign minister of the former government of Germany welcomed him?

And what was one of the first things he did? Commit genocide against the Alawites. I've seen the videos. Terrible. And who gave shelter to the fleeeing civilians? The Russians did

If you already equate me with the actions of the German government...well Germany gave shelter to way more refugees than Russia ever did...

Ukraine is no different. They raped and slaughtered an entire village full of villages. Growing up is realizing that both sides are bad.

You use as evidence a 30 second video on X? You probably won't believe it but propaganda is obviously a mean of both sides in a conflict. There are a lot of reportings that Russia is torturing captured Ukrainians soldiers and civilians to produce content like that. The portrayed people are forced to confess to crimes like that. But in your fairy tale world Russia would probably never do something like that. Only Israel and the US are capable of doing something bad.

Was this debunked too?

Actually, yes this was also debunked. Here are some sources for you to read.

Fact Check: Did Volodymyr Zelensky Wear a Symbol of a Far-Right Nationalist Group?

The trident symbol has been used in Ukraine for centuries.

thedispatch.com

Zelenskyy’s shirt featured Ukraine military emblem, not hate symbol

False. Zelenskyy wore a military T-shirt that featured the official emblem for the Ukraine Armed Forces.

apnews.com

I won't waste more time to factcheck the rest of your claims because it is literally a waste of time.