Can we stay neutral in the Israel-Palestine conflict if our governments fund it?

[noname223]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands. I attended 4 protests pro-Palestine. And there was very close to zero antisemitism. I would say 95% of the people there were free of antisemitism considering the speeches I listened to. Considering the posters I saw.

Always when I say to other German students I went to pro-palestine they assume the protestors were low-key antisemitic. And none of them actually ever went to a protest. It is probably the German media that gives them this impression. The takes of German media pundits are ridiculous. My therapist considered it threatening to jews attending such protests.

Soon I will have a party. My college friend is more Israel friendly. And my two closest friends I knew from my school days are absolutely pro-Palestine. And wear Kufiyaa. I already see a massive argument incoming.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it? Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire. Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war. So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

There are some Western nations that acknowledged the state Palestine. But they only wanted to wash their hands clean from the blood. It is a symbolic act nothing more.

 

[Hvergelmir]

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

I live in Germany and we certainly have blood on our hands

You don't have blood on your hands, your government does, which is nothing new. I don't think Germany ever stood at the right side of history.

Are we complicit in what is happening in Palestine if we don't engage in protest against it?

There are people in Germany who protest against it but the police act brutally to silence them. I've seen many vidoes of them punching and arresting people in peaceful protests.

Personally, I don't believe Israel ever had the intention for a longlasting ceasefire

Israel is a rabid dog that only exists because after stealing Palestinian land, so what's new.

Netanjahu needs that war to stay in
office. They will use any excuse to continue this war.

You remove Netanyahu and another Netanyahu replaces him. The entire Israeli government is full of Psychopaths since its creation.

So people want a Noble peace prize for Trump? How long has the "peace" lasted?

Nobody wants a Nobel Peace Prize for Trump. I certainly don't. He has the blood of around a million innocent people on his hands.

 

[struggles_inc]

If you didn't ask your government to fund a war, your citizenship says nothing. No matter the regime, you literally don't have a say how the state wastes the money from taxes — ripping you off.

People try to cope by finding something tangible to blame, because blaming the untouchable elites would mean one doesn't have any control over their lives.

Parties, protests, votes… in the big picture stopped making a change like 200 years ago.

Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I don't mean to invalidate the work of people who are politically active and try to make a change - I love seeing you guys doing better step by step. But personally, I'm pretty burnt out from politics.

 

[noname223]

Would we then also be complicit to Uyghur persecutions in China, or the killings of Rohingya in Myanmar?

I don't think a German civilian could reasonably be seen as complicit to the actions of any foreign government or its military. I also don't think foreign protests has any impact. On the contrary they might distract from things of real importance - whether that is to actually help the region, or even completely unrelated local issues.

Germany sends military weapons to Israel. In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government. But we in Germany have a right to protest.
Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

 

[hibikikyuxx]

Germany sends military weapons to Israel

Yes.

In some sense the Russian people and Chinese people are partly responsible for the actions of their government.

Not really.

But we in Germany have a right to protest

You can protest everywhere.

Chancellor Merz changed his opinion on military aid to Israel because it is very unpopular where I live. And the public opinion was against it.

You can say one thing and do the other. I wouldn't believe the words of someone whose grandfather was a high ranked Nazi.

 

[Hvergelmir]

I wouldn't believe the words of someone whose grandfather was a high ranked Nazi.

There are probably plenty of resons to mistrust German politicians, but which party their grandparent associated with is not one of them!

 

[hibikikyuxx]

There are probably plenty of resons to mistrust German politicians, but which party their grandparent associated with is not one of them!

You misunderstood my comment. I'm not calling Merz out because of who his grandfather was but because of his opinion for him. Merz once described his grandfather, Josef Paul Sauvigny, as an admirable role model. And that was back in 2004.

 

[noname223]

You misunderstood my comment. I'm not calling Merz out because of who his grandfather was but because of his opinion for him. Merz once described his grandfather, Josef Paul Sauvigny, as an admirable role model. And that was back in 2004.

This happened in 2004. You can find quotes of almost every high politician that were extremely stupid and controversial.

I would not evaluate the policies of a politician based on something they said two decades ago. Personally, I hate Merz but such a critique based on Such a quote is ridiculous.

By the way can you remember when Putin expressed admiration of a certain rapist because These actions proved his alleged strength?

Russia: Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

www.theguardian.com

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

Putin:
"He turned out to be a strong man, raped 10 women," the Russian president was quoted by Russian media as saying at a meeting in Moscow with Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert. "I never would have expected it of him. He has surprised us all, we all envy him!

Happened in 2006. Are you bothered by that statement? Do you think this should change your view of Putin? If not, why?

 

[hibikikyuxx]

This happened in 2004. You can find quotes of almost every high politician that were extremely stupid and controversial

Interviews from the recent years prove that Merz still admires his grandfather and the fact that he supports Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, should tell you what kind of person he is.

By the way can you remember when Putin expressed admiration of a certain rapist because These actions proved his alleged strength?

Russia: Putin praises sexual prowess of Israeli president

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

www.theguardian.com

Vladimir Putin's international image was tainted today after it emerged he had let slip another of his infamous remarks - this time praising the president of Israel for alleged sex offences.

Putin:
"He turned out to be a strong man, raped 10 women," the Russian president was quoted by Russian media as saying at a meeting in Moscow with Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert. "I never would have expected it of him. He has surprised us all, we all envy him!

Happened in 2006. Are you bothered by that statement? Do you think this should change your view of Putin? If not, why?

Merz voted against criminalising marital rape.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...onald-trump-europe-us-afd-11740361255500.html

Happend in 1997.

Merz praised Israel for doing their dirty work.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104

Merz: "This is dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us. The Iranian regime has brought death and destruction to the world. I can only say, I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army had the courage to do this, that the Israeli state leadership had the courage to do this."

Happend in 2025.

Zelensky and Trudeau gave a standing ovation for a Waffen SS veteran in Canada's parliament in 2023.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...-ovation-waffen-ss-veteran-canadas-parliament

Zelensky signed the flag of the 14th Galician SS Division 2 weeks after that.



All you're doing here is pointing fingers. We're talking about Merz so I don't understand why you're bringing other world leaders into it, as if I already don't know that they're all corrupt. Never have I talked highly of a single one of them.

 

[asaṅkhata]

You have to stay somehwat neutral in order to protect your own dignity. Getting emotionally involved in foreign conflicts is not a good look.

On the other hand I can understand the need for some kind of activism when were dealing with this level inhumanity. The best thing to do is to critifize your own governement for its involvement, but to not be obsessively pro palestine or anti istael.

 

[noname223]

Interviews from the recent years prove that Merz still admires his grandfather and the fact that he supports Israel's genocide against the Palestinians, should tell you what kind of person he is.

Merz voted against criminalising marital rape.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...onald-trump-europe-us-afd-11740361255500.html

Happend in 1997.

Merz praised Israel for doing their dirty work.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-merz-says-israel-doing-dirty-work-for-us-in-iran/live-72939104

Merz: "This is dirty work that Israel is doing for all of us. The Iranian regime has brought death and destruction to the world. I can only say, I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army had the courage to do this, that the Israeli state leadership had the courage to do this."

Happend in 2025.

Zelensky and Trudeau gave a standing ovation for a Waffen SS veteran in Canada's parliament in 2023.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...-ovation-waffen-ss-veteran-canadas-parliament

Zelensky signed the flag of the 14th Galician SS Division 2 weeks after that.



All you're doing here is pointing fingers. We're talking about Merz so I don't understand why you're bringing other world leaders into it, as if I already don't know that they're all corrupt. Never have I talked highly of a single one of them.

Well, your post is a Mix between True facts and misinformation in order to spread a certain Narrative. The Russian narrative of this war.

Zelensky signing an SS flag is already debunked. https://voxukraine.org/en/false-zelenskyi-wears-a-nazi-chevron-of-the-ss-galicia-division

Do you condemn Putin for praising a rapist? It might Show his true Character considering his army uses sexual violence against civilians and soldiers All which is documented in videos.

Sexual violence in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And Putin used rape rhetoric against Ukraine "like it or not, it's your duty, my beauty".

Rape Rhetoric and its Impact on Weaponised Sexual Violence in Ukraine

CW: sexual violence Just two weeks preceding Russia’s 2022 invasion, Vladimir Putin branded Ukraine ‘mine’. (1) He then suggested that Volodymyr Zelensky should allow for Russia’s acquirement of Kyiv through sexual violence rhetoric, translated as either ‘like it or not, it’s your duty, my...

www.gina.uk.com

"Shouldn't that tell you which kind of person He is?"