Broke metal seal on bottle of N

[BrokenBliss]

is the needle supposed to be inserted at an angle like this? and do you know if it is supposed to be a "blunt" needle or a different kind?

@lmon -- Here are my tips. I worked in health care and also have hands-on experience giving myself IM injections. I am giving you detailed info in anticipation of your questions. Hopefully I cover them all:

- You will want the highest gauge number you can get. The higher the gauge, the smaller the diameter of the needle (meaning, thinner). Smaller size/larger gauge equals smaller hole poked into the rubber stopper. Try for 30 or higher. I use 25 for my IM injections.

- Do not use a blunt needle. You will want a "tapered" (sharp) one. Most syringes are already this.

- Prior to inserting the needle, push the plunger of the syringe all the way up, with pressure, to push the air out of the tube. This is the important step to make sure you do not introduce air inside the bottle. Do not pull the plunger back down until you are performing the liquid extraction.

- It does not matter if you poke the needle thru straight or at an angle. That's just about facility of technique for reasons that we don't need to get into for what we're doing.

- If, while you are extracting the liquid, you notice an air pocket or bubble forming inside the syringe tube, do NOT push it back into the bottle. Since you are not going to be injecting this into your body, having a little air in the syringe is unimportant. However, it is of extreme importance to not introduce air into your bottle. So just let it be if this happens.

- You don't need much liquid for a barb test by strip dip. Extract approx. 1 - 1½ ml from the bottle. The numbers are right on the syringe tube. Remember to turn the bottle upside down. I recommend doing this prior to injecting the needle to minimize issues with air. The needle should not go above the liquid line to reach the air pocket above it. (Tho, this is extremely unlikely to happen due to the amount of liquid in the bottle.)

- Reminder: At no point – once the needle is inside the bottle – should you push up on the syringe plunger. Doing so could unintentionally introduce air into the bottle.

Let me know if I missed anything for you.

EDIT: Remember to swipe the top of the vial with alcohol before you insert your needle. You can use an alcohol prep pad or cotton ball. Also do not touch the needle itself. You want to keep things sterile so you do not introduce any contaminants into the solution.

 

[lmon]

@lmon -- Here are my tips. I worked in health care and also have hands-on experience giving myself IM injections. I am giving you detailed info in anticipation of your questions. Hopefully I cover them all:

- You will want the highest gauge number you can get. The higher the gauge, the smaller the diameter of the needle (meaning, thinner). Smaller size/larger gauge equals smaller hole poked into the rubber stopper. Try for 30 or higher. I use 25 for my IM injections.

- Do not use a blunt needle. You will want a "tapered" (sharp) one. Most syringes are already this.

- Prior to inserting the needle, push the plunger of the syringe all the way up, with pressure, to push the air out of the tube. This is the important step to make sure you do not introduce air inside the bottle. Do not pull the plunger back down until you are performing the liquid extraction.

- It does not matter if you poke the needle thru straight or at an angle. That's just about facility of technique for reasons that we don't need to get into for what we're doing.

- If, while you are extracting the liquid, you notice an air pocket or bubble forming inside the syringe tube, do NOT push it back into the bottle. Since you are not going to be injecting this into your body, having a little air in the syringe is unimportant. However, it is of extreme importance to not introduce air into your bottle. So just let it be if this happens.

- You don't need much liquid for a barb test by strip dip. Extract approx. 1 - 1½ ml from the bottle. The numbers are right on the syringe tube. Remember to turn the bottle upside down. I recommend doing this prior to injecting the needle to minimize issues with air. The needle should not go above the liquid line to reach the air pocket above it. (Tho, this is extremely unlikely to happen due to the amount of liquid in the bottle.)

- Reminder: At no point – once the needle is inside the bottle – should you push up on the syringe plunger. Doing so could unintentionally introduce air into the bottle.

Let me know if I missed anything for you.

EDIT: Remember to swipe the top of the vial with alcohol before you insert your needle. You can use an alcohol prep pad or cotton ball. Also do not touch the needle itself. You want to keep things sterile so you do not introduce any contaminants into the solution.

This was amazing. Thank you. I hope this can help others with their needle questions as well

 

[Johnhawk_Down]

@BrokenBliss
That's the good stuff. Need to get my hands on it. It's the best method in my opinion, but it's costly and hard to acquire. It's the only way I want to go.

 

[BrokenBliss]

Hey @Johnhawk_Down, could you please correct your post? You've got it edited so that your comment is being attributed to me. Thanks.

 

[Johnhawk_Down]

Hey @Johnhawk_Down, could you please correct your post? You've got it edited so that your comment is being attributed to me. Thanks.

It is directed towards you

 

[BrokenBliss]

It is directed towards you

If you read it, it has your words attributed to my name. That's how it displays here. Can you please just delete my name from your comment? And I agree. It is the way to go.

Please read it. It says "BrokenBliss said" followed by your comment. I ask again, please just hit edit and delete my name. Appreciate it.

 

[Johnhawk_Down]

If you read it, it has your words attributed to my name. That's how it displays here. Can you please just delete my name from your comment? And I agree. It is the way to go.

Please read it. It says "BrokenBliss said" followed by your comment. I ask again, please just hit edit and delete my name. Appreciate it.

It's says @BrokenBliss, not BrokenBliss says:, followed by my comment, or by something like: BrokenBliss says: he's selling N as a black market vendor and he/she accepts any and all forms of cryptocurrency and is open for business ladies and gentlemen! . That's how much of a big deal it's been made of.

 

[BrokenBliss]

It's says @BrokenBliss, not BrokenBliss says:, followed by my comment, or by something like: BrokenBliss says: he's selling N as a black market vendor and he/she accepts any and all forms of cryptocurrency and is open for business ladies and gentlemen! . That's how much of a big deal it's been made of.

It was showing me to be saying your comment. The system combined my last two requests to fix it into a single message. Anyway, mgmt was kind enough to make the correction.

 

[lmon]

@lmon -- Here are my tips. I worked in health care and also have hands-on experience giving myself IM injections. I am giving you detailed info in anticipation of your questions. Hopefully I cover them all:

- You will want the highest gauge number you can get. The higher the gauge, the smaller the diameter of the needle (meaning, thinner). Smaller size/larger gauge equals smaller hole poked into the rubber stopper. Try for 30 or higher. I use 25 for my IM injections.

- Do not use a blunt needle. You will want a "tapered" (sharp) one. Most syringes are already this.

- Prior to inserting the needle, push the plunger of the syringe all the way up, with pressure, to push the air out of the tube. This is the important step to make sure you do not introduce air inside the bottle. Do not pull the plunger back down until you are performing the liquid extraction.

- It does not matter if you poke the needle thru straight or at an angle. That's just about facility of technique for reasons that we don't need to get into for what we're doing.

- If, while you are extracting the liquid, you notice an air pocket or bubble forming inside the syringe tube, do NOT push it back into the bottle. Since you are not going to be injecting this into your body, having a little air in the syringe is unimportant. However, it is of extreme importance to not introduce air into your bottle. So just let it be if this happens.

- You don't need much liquid for a barb test by strip dip. Extract approx. 1 - 1½ ml from the bottle. The numbers are right on the syringe tube. Remember to turn the bottle upside down. I recommend doing this prior to injecting the needle to minimize issues with air. The needle should not go above the liquid line to reach the air pocket above it. (Tho, this is extremely unlikely to happen due to the amount of liquid in the bottle.)

- Reminder: At no point – once the needle is inside the bottle – should you push up on the syringe plunger. Doing so could unintentionally introduce air into the bottle.

Let me know if I missed anything for you.

EDIT: Remember to swipe the top of the vial with alcohol before you insert your needle. You can use an alcohol prep pad or cotton ball. Also do not touch the needle itself. You want to keep things sterile so you do not introduce any contaminants into the solution.

wth who would have thought there are so many types of needles to choose from. do I need a "normal" bevel, a triple bevel? what If the needle is coated with something, does that make the n age faster or less sterile... idk..
I'm looking for a
•sterile
•32 gauge
•beveled
•hypodermic syringe
(that's already put together) that's
•at least 2cc (2mL)

but I can't seem to find one. does this combination exist?

 

[BrokenBliss]

wth who would have thought there are so many types of needles to choose from. do I need a "normal" bevel, a triple bevel? what If the needle is coated with something, does that make the n age faster or less sterile... idk..
I'm looking for a
•sterile
•32 gauge
•beveled
•hypodermic syringe
(that's already put together) that's
•at least 2cc (2mL)

but I can't seem to find one. does this combination exist?

You're going to find that most of those elements will be the case by default on a single-use syringe, so yes, it won't be a problem. Are you going to go to a pharmacy?

 

[lmon]

You're going to find that most of those elements will be the case by default on a single-use syringe, so yes, it won't be a problem. Are you going to go to a pharmacy?

I was just going to go online, I didn't know if this kind of syringe with all the specs is something I could get without talking to the pharmacist. I also read that for syringes you could get from pharmacist are not obligated to give us syringes and can even determine how many we buy. hope that is just false info. do you have to tell the pharmacist the reason you need them?

 

[BrokenBliss]

I was just going to go online, I didn't know if this kind of syringe with all the specs is something I could get without talking to the pharmacist. I also read that for syringes you could get from pharmacist are not obligated to give us syringes and can even determine how many we buy. hope that is just false info. do you have to tell the pharmacist the reason you need them?

You can get them on Amazon. That might be good, cuz then you can see all the specs and no one asks any questions.

 

[lmon]

You can get them on Amazon. That might be good, cuz then you can see all the specs and no one asks any questions.

so is a triple bevel best for testing, un coated? I can't believe there are so many details!

 

[BrokenBliss]

Look for sterile disposable (equals individually wrapped). Just look at the picture to make sure you're buying a pre-assembled syringe. The more complicated you make it, it's usually for the medical cmmty and purposes that don't apply. You don't have to worry about # of bevel and coating. Essentially a normal, sharp syringe! If you want to send me a link for whatever you pick, I can look at it for you.

 

[lmon]

Look for sterile disposable (equals individually wrapped). Just look at the picture to make sure you're buying a pre-assembled syringe. The more complicated you make it, it's usually for the medical cmmty and purposes that don't apply. You don't have to worry about # of bevel and coating. Essentially a normal, sharp syringe! If you want to send me a link for whatever you pick, I can look at it for you.

Wow thanks BokenBliss

 

[inabsentia]

Back to the original question in this thread - ugh, I think customs messed with my bottle and this seal is torn on one side for me. Tipping the bottle upside down, it does have a veeeery small leak if I leave it upside down and tip it in a certain direction. And I can smell the solution inside.

Putting it in the fridge is really not ideal for me but based on what I'm seeing in this thread, it'll only last another month if it's possible for it to leak like that?

Maybe I ought to try get another bottle from D. Just not sure how I can best store it to last. Though, the plan was maybe to drink it by the end of the month anyway.

 

[Smart No More]

Back to the original question in this thread - ugh, I think customs messed with my bottle and this seal is torn on one side for me. Tipping the bottle upside down, it does have a veeeery small leak if I leave it upside down and tip it in a certain direction. And I can smell the solution inside.

Putting it in the fridge is really not ideal for me but based on what I'm seeing in this thread, it'll only last another month if it's possible for it to leak like that?

Yes, you're correct in thinking that. Not certain on the timescale (most say around a month) but if the seal is damaged enough for liquid to leak then air and contaminants can and will be exposed to your solution and degredation will occur. The best thing you can do to prolong its efficacy is to transfer it into a sterile container that can be sealed but it has to be very strictly sterile and sealed with as little air inside as possible. This will only do so mich thoigh and do you really want to take risks with it? I would argue it's not a good idea and might be best used to do a taste and/or sleep test before disgarding of that bottles contents. I'm sorry ro be the bearer of bad news. Timing isn't the greatest either given the earlier announcement of D's (as yet unconfirmed) intention to stop sales. As it came from PN its hard not to take it seriously. If you're thinking of replacing your leaking bottle I'd tey to get it done asap. Somebody did say they received a reply from D in the last 24hrs containing the generic first reply. Whether that's automated I don't know.

 

[inabsentia]

Yes, you're correct in thinking that. Not certain on the timescale (most say around a month) but if the seal is damaged enough for liquid to leak then air and contaminants can and will be exposed to your solution and degredation will occur. The best thing you can do to prolong its efficacy is to transfer it into a sterile container that can be sealed but it has to be very strictly sterile and sealed with as little air inside as possible. This will only do so mich thoigh and do you really want to take risks with it? I would argue it's not a good idea and might be best used to do a taste and/or sleep test before disgarding of that bottles contents. I'm sorry ro be the bearer of bad news. Timing isn't the greatest either given the earlier announcement of D's (as yet unconfirmed) intention to stop sales. As it came from PN its hard not to take it seriously. If you're thinking of replacing your leaking bottle I'd tey to get it done asap. Somebody did say they received a reply from D in the last 24hrs containing the generic first reply. Whether that's automated I don't know.

Thanks for responding so quickly. I thought as much, but it's useful to hear someone else say it and not just doubt myself. I still do have the other bottle, and there is a strong possibility I CTB this month or early next month, so maybe it'll be good til then. Trying to figure out now the best thing to contain it in...

Regardless, I've contacted D re the potential for replacement and I'll update in other threads given the current potential that he will stop supplying.

 

[Smart No More]

As far as transferring it to another container, maybe its not such a great idea after all thinking about it. It would require a sterile container which, unless you have something to steralise with is not going to be sterile to the extent needed no matter how well you wash the container. If you have an ultrasonic cleaner or baby bottle steriliser that may be suitable but you would have to do a search to see just how sterile those things sterilise. Then yoy have to air dry them and avoid any other contaminants getting on/in them before sealing. Then there's the volume/size to get right. I think perhaps a better solution is to wipe down the outside of your original bottle using a decent alcohol bases steriliser and then put the whole bottle inside another airtight container that you've wiped down with alcohol steriliser too. Then seal it and put it somewhere dark and cool. A small jar perhaps. The types with the rubber seal and clasp. They're relatively inexpensive to buy. Another though may be to go to a pharmacy and ask if you can purchase a sterile, sealable container. Something like the size of a babies milk bottle might be just large enough to slide your bottle into and seal. I'm thinking out loud here so don't take me too seriously. Just something along that train of thought may be more useful at this stage because if you intend to use it (and soon) I don't think any kind of tampering, no matter how careful you are, would match the level of sterile environment and proceedure to be better than keeping it in its original container and sealing that into another container.

How long have you had it? Just wondering how long it was open. There's no getting around the contamination already introduced by the customs inspection and I doubt they'd have been particularly careful aside from protecting themselves.

 

[inabsentia]

Oh yes, sorry, my thought was to clean the outside of the original bottle and then place that into another container - something like you said, a jar that I've gotten as sterile as possible. I'd worry about anything too tight as I wouldn't want to risk struggling to get it out and the bottle breaking, I think (also just thinking out loud!). That's a really good idea re going to a pharmacy - I have to go to grab a prescription anyways, so I will test the waters. Really appreciate you thinking on this with me.

I have had it for 2 days now (since 8 April), and I believe customs inspected it around the 5th-6th in my country, though it may have been inspected prior. It was sent out approx 30-31 March. It's super frustrating tbh - you'd expect them to exercise a bit more caution, but of course they don't know what they're dealing with I suppose.

 

[Smart No More]

Oh yes, sorry, my thought was to clean the outside of the original bottle and then place that into another container - something like you said, a jar that I've gotten as sterile as possible. I'd worry about anything too tight as I wouldn't want to risk struggling to get it out and the bottle breaking, I think (also just thinking out loud!). That's a really good idea re going to a pharmacy - I have to go to grab a prescription anyways, so I will test the waters. Really appreciate you thinking on this with me.

I have had it for 2 days now (since 8 April), and I believe customs inspected it around the 5th-6th in my country, though it may have been inspected prior. It was sent out approx 30-31 March. It's super frustrating tbh - you'd expect them to exercise a bit more caution, but of course they don't know what they're dealing with I suppose.

Nore do they care. They're just trying to get through their working day. They don't mind messing up anyones parcels in the line of duty.

Sounds like you have a bit of a plan now. There are containers that you can suck all the air out of. There are those bags you can use for clothing and soft furnishings that you seal (like a sandwhich baggy) and then use a vacuum cleaner to suck the air out. It has a little valve for it. They're inexpensive. Can be found in many stores now. Maybe putting it in one of those (smallest you can find) and then putting that into a well sealed container could do a decent job.

 

[inabsentia]

Nore do they care. They're just trying to get through their working day. They don't mind messing up anyones parcels in the line of duty.

Sounds like you have a bit of a plan now. There are containers that you can suck all the air out of. There are those bags you can use for clothing and soft furnishings that you seal (like a sandwhich baggy) and then use an vacuum cleaner to suck the air out. It has a little valve for it. They're inexpensive. Can be found in many stores now. Maybe putting it in one of those (smallest you can find) and then putting that into a well sealed container could do a decent job.

Thanks so much again. I've worked through obtaining everything I'll need - hopefully I can prolong its effectiveness, and we'll see how things go with ordering a replacement.

 

[inabsentia]

Just an update... I contacted D to note that the seal is broken and the bottle leaks. He replied saying nothing happens - I should just tape over it and the solution won't 'lose power'.

I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that?

 

[Smart No More]

Just an update... I contacted D to note that the seal is broken and the bottle leaks. He replied saying nothing happens - I should just tape over it and the solution won't 'lose power'.

I wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that?

Hmmm...

I guess the question really is how do you feel about it?

I'm not sure how far D's knowledge of the specifics goes. Don't want to throw accusations. I will say, in my experience drug dealers will tell you what you want to hear. Or what they think you want to hear. We know nothing of D other than that they sell a drug. That's all we/I can go on so my confidence in tapong over it is low. Not least because all I've read on the matter, on the forum and in more 'official' forms flys in the face of that.

Were you offering to buy a replacement or asking for a free replacement? Also did D mention supplying a replacement for a fee?

Personally, whilst I imagine the N will probably last a bit longer than the 30 days many consider to be the official word (possibly considerably longer) I don't think it's worth taking any risks. I mean it's the ultimate final act and to get it wrong has some very real consequences. I think it's fair to say many of feel those consequences are worse than the results of getting it right so to speak. If I'm going to do it I'm doing right and leaving nothing to chance.

I think it's important that you don't feel rushed into using it for one thing so having something unopened gives you peace of mind that when the time suits you you have the right means to do things as and when.

 

[inabsentia]

Hmmm...

I guess the question really is how do you feel about it?

I'm not sure how far D's knowledge of the specifics goes. Don't want to throw accusations. I will say, in my experience drug dealers will tell you what you want to hear. Or what they think you want to hear. We know nothing of D other than that they sell a drug. That's all we/I can go on so my confidence in tapong over it is low. Not least because all I've read on the matter, on the forum and in more 'official' forms flys in the face of that.

Were you offering to buy a replacement or asking for a free replacement? Also did D mention supplying a replacement for a fee?

Personally, whilst I imagine the N will probably last a bit longer than the 30 days many consider to be the official word (possibly considerably longer) I don't think it's worth taking any risks. I mean it's the ultimate final act and to get it wrong has some very real consequences. I think it's fair to say many of feel those consequences are worse than the results of getting it right so to speak. If I'm going to do it I'm doing right and leaving nothing to chance.

I think it's important that you don't feel rushed into using it for one thing so having something unopened gives you peace of mind that when the time suits you you have the right means to do things as and when.

I was asking if it's possible to buy a replacement. I imagine in this case it would probably be at full cost, given the bottle isn't broken and he reckons I can reseal it back up?

I totally agree, I don't feel entirely confident in D's assessment and CTB is not something I want to fail or feel rushed into, whether I'd already planned for a certain timeframe or no. I suppose I could go back and say that for certainty I'd like to purchase another?

But then I keep going back to the fact that I do have the fully intact bottle and I am certainly light enough that it should do the trick. And it would be quite expensive to get another at full price if D reckons a leaky bottle isn't worth being generous and offering half price.

I think I will politely ask again. But it is reassuring that I got such a quick response in the first instance.

 

[lmon]

Look for sterile disposable (equals individually wrapped). Just look at the picture to make sure you're buying a pre-assembled syringe. The more complicated you make it, it's usually for the medical cmmty and purposes that don't apply. You don't have to worry about # of bevel and coating. Essentially a normal, sharp syringe! If you want to send me a link for whatever you pick, I can look at it for you.

Um.. should I avoid a 34g syringe. I was thinking about 33 gauge. I saw somewhere that with thick needles "you don't have to pump air in the container to create a pressure" and you have to do this with thinner needles.. is that accurate

 

[BrokenBliss]

I wanna repeat from earlier, you will not be pumping air into the container. That was incorrect procedure from that video you posted way back. Remember the key is to avoid introducing air into the bottle. Forget everything you heard in that video.

 

[Smart No More]

I think I will politely ask again. But it is reassuring that I got such a quick response in the first instance.

Hey, did you follow up? If so, any reply and arrangements made?

I was thinking, if you feel its worthwhile you could just create a new email account and literally ask to purchase as though you're a new customer if there's awkwardness over arranging it on the terms of replacement. I doubt the address would be recognised and if it was I really don't see it being an issue. (If D asks just say you lost the log in info for the first one and rather than explaining it all just kept things simple and put an order in, no mess no fuss as that's how D likes things). Just a thought. Hope things are going okay.



Just checked OP's post history. Seems they haven't been active since January. Think they may have CTB. They were quite volatile from what I saw. Having beoken their seals they may well have used it rather than lose it.

 

[inabsentia]

Hey, did you follow up? If so, any reply and arrangements made?

I was thinking, if you feel its worthwhile you could just create a new email account and literally ask to purchase as though you're a new customer if there's awkwardness over arranging it on the terms of replacement. I doubt the address would be recognised and if it was I really don't see it being an issue. (If D asks just say you lost the log in info for the first one and rather than explaining it all just kept things simple and put an order in, no mess no fuss as that's how D likes things). Just a thought. Hope things are going okay.



Just checked OP's post history. Seems they haven't been active since January. Think they may have CTB. They were quite volatile from what I saw. Having beoken their seals they may well have used it rather than lose it.

Hey, I just checked now (he didn't reply all of yesterday) and I got a sort of grudging 'okay fine if you insist'.

It would be full-price again but it seems he will ship it. I'm now in a bit of a dilemma because I'm feeling fairly sure I'll CTB by the end of the month anyway. I'm worried I would actually be forced to wait because I've got a package on the way! Lol.

Thanks for checking in. I'm not sure if this is the first confirmed instance of D agreeing to provide an order after the news the other day?

 

[Smart No More]

Hey, I just checked now (he didn't reply all of yesterday) and I got a sort of grudging 'okay fine if you insist'.

It would be full-price again but it seems he will ship it. I'm now in a bit of a dilemma because I'm feeling fairly sure I'll CTB by the end of the month anyway. I'm worried I would actually be forced to wait because I've got a package on the way! Lol.

Thanks for checking in. I'm not sure if this is the first confirmed instance of D agreeing to provide an order after the news the other day?

Ah, sounds a bit of a dilema.

I guess you can look at it this way..... When you're gone it won't matter. So even if the parcel arrives after the fact does it matter? If you're worried about somebody opening it and being harmed I can understand that. Perhaps you can leave a note with instructions not to open it and if you can, detail whats inside.