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This one.
Oh, the suicidal thoughts started 10 years ago when I was still in high school—they predate my incel phase. So I've been online discussing and talking about suicide for a long time.

I discussed it on Yahoo Answers when that was still a thing, then I migrated to Reddit, started diving into the depression and anxiety subreddits, and would post on r/SuicideWatch occasionally when I had thoughts of ending my life.

Eventually I realized that I was at an advanced level of depression that Redditors couldn't understand, because they would offer to help me with advice like "just watch this anime series bro" or "play this videogame and it will help you feel better". I started to feel patronized and even more depressed after they gave me advice like that, because it was so tonedeaf and stupid.

The incel community also talked very openly about suicide, which was refreshing to me. I would probably still be interested in speaking to them if I hadn't got banned from most of their gathering spots just because they're a lot more honest about how they feel about things.

But since I can't anymore, this forum has been my go-to when I'm struggling.
 
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Oh, the suicidal thoughts started 10 years ago when I was still in high school—they predate my incel phase. So I've been online discussing and talking about suicide for a long time.

I discussed it on Yahoo Answers when that was still a thing, then I migrated to Reddit, started diving into the depression and anxiety subreddits, and would post on r/SuicideWatch occasionally when I had thoughts of ending my life.

Eventually I realized that I was at an advanced level of depression that Redditors couldn't understand, because they would offer to help me with advice like "just watch this anime series bro" or "play this videogame and it will help you feel better". I started to feel patronized and even more depressed after they gave me advice like that, because it was so tonedeaf and stupid.

The incel community also talked very openly about suicide, which was refreshing to me. I would probably still be interested in speaking to them if I hadn't got banned from most of their gathering spots just because they're a lot more honest about how they feel about things.

But since I can't anymore, this forum has been my go-to when I'm struggling.
This forum is alright, put the retards on ignore and you're all set. Incel forums are not my cup of tea, I actually disagree with enough of their ideology to not be ideologically an incel. I'm just an incel sexually and to an extent emotionally (hatred, desperation, contempt).

And I find their slang hilarious and sometimes poignant. Like 'currycel'. That's spot on!
 
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Personally I find broody incel types very attractive and appealing. I'd happily spend time complimenting and appreciating them. The problem is, most of them are recluses, and I am a recluse, so I rarely actually encounter them. Also, they might get annoyed if I do act friendly because I'm gay.
Not homophobic but I've found that trying to go gay as a straight person is like trying to force a gay person to become straight. I've had gay people express interest in me far more than women have and it's flattering at first but it's only added to my own bitterness that I have no attraction for them even if they themselves would probably have made objectively good partners and that I can seemingly only attract people of an incompatible orientation. Wish I was at least bi so that I could have both.
 
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I think I'm emitting major bitterness signals some days to normies, one of the girls at the workplace just looks creeped out by me. And I'm 'very serious' most of the time, which actually means I am depressed as fuck lol.

This is a difficult issue for those that don't know, you're bitter and alienated so you become unlikeable, and when people reject you the resentment and hatred grows, so you become more bitter. The only solution is to seek and receive good feedback, otherwise it is a dangerous, antisocial feedback loop. Thankfully some people are friendly and give me conversation. I need that in order to feel somewhat normal.

So remember, give the school shooter conversation, his life might turn around just by that. DISCLAIMER: I'm not like that nor I justify their crimes, I just understand some of their feelings.
It's a wonder people are surprised or shocked by the existence of the 'school shooter', when you see how young people are allowed to behave at school towards each other. Even in the workplace, I've experienced groups of people clubbing together against someone who stands out as 'weird', referring to them as a freak or whatever, and then start screaming when the bullets start flying!
 
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It's a wonder people are surprised or shocked by the existence of the 'school shooter', when you see how young people are allowed to behave at school towards each other. Even in the workplace, I've experienced groups of people clubbing together against someone who stands out as 'weird', referring to them as a freak or whatever, and then start screaming when the bullets start flying!
Luckily my malignant narcissism is only bad enough to passively cheer for an actual pandemic to happen or to plot to have an incompetent coworker fired. No bullets.

But you raised an interesting question here, let's address it. Weirdos. In Elliot Rodger's manifesto he speaks about his close friend being a peaceful loser weirdo and not understanding why. There are many peaceful losers. Shit hits the fan when a loser is entitled or mentally ill enough not to take what life is serving him or her, and feels like revenge should be taken.

There's definitely someone weirder than me at work, but he is a smiling, non-bitterness-exuding autistic weirdo that probably can program better than anyone else, so he is likely better liked than me.

So the problem isn't so much being a weirdo and a loser but being a weirdo AND having a demeanor whereby your frustration and contempt is picked up by normies. I don't have this demeanor always either, with some people it goes away.
 
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Luckily my malignant narcissism is only bad enough to passively cheer for an actual pandemic to happen or to plot to have an incompetent coworker fired. No bullets.
I've only been in this sorry state of chronic-pain and general life-destruction whilst unemployed. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to go to work to a job I hate whilst feeling this way. I would probably be planning a shooting-type incident right now!
 
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I've only been in this sorry state of chronic-pain and general life-destruction whilst unemployed. I can't imagine what it would be like to have to go to work to a job I hate whilst feeling this way. I would probably be planning a shooting-type incident right now!
I actually like my job, I just dislike people.
 
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smiling, non-bitterness-exuding autistic weirdo
I have memories of timid people who try to escape the labelling or bullying by trying to be really nice to everyone, and it works somewhat. Though, it's better to be a fucking scary freak that puts the shits up everyone, like our friend Mr Panzram, than a timid freak who tries to buy their way out of being bullied - i.e I'd rather be the school-shooter than the school bully's target!
I actually like my job, I just dislike people
That's why I worked in commercial cleaning until the pain hit, so I could just be alone and get on with my job with no one bothering me! I spent my day staring at floors or ceilings, sweeping and mopping or removing cobwebs. It was easier than in any other job to avoid conversation.

This guy is really interesting. He went by a false ID of a dead-child, so no one knows who he really was, but he was a serious loner and 'weirdo' and hardly ever spoke to his work colleagues - he turned up to a work-party once dressed as a gangsta but still didn't bother speaking to anyone, he apparently would listen to white-noise for hours, and once had to go to A&E with a vacuum-cleaner related penis injury - he shot himself after getting terminal cancer - I am fascinated by people with a few screws loose!

 
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but it's just that I don't like them I guess. But I would want to like them... I can be funny and energetic too.

The thing with bitterness is that it isn't a decision or voluntary. I'm chronically ill and it automatically throws a shade of annoyance and suffering to my psyche. [...]

The best I can do is to be sad instead of angry. But I much prefer anger as it feels more empowering. [...]
Yes, anger and bitterness (and a depressed affect) can be off-putting, but I propose that the fact that you dislike them (and based on previous posts find them inferior or something like that?) might be contributing here. I don't know what you can do about that, though.

Edit: I don't think you were asking for advice, anyhow.
 
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Yes, anger and bitterness (and a depressed affect) can be off-putting, but I propose that the fact that you dislike them (and based on previous posts find them inferior or something like that?) might be contributing here. I don't know what you can do about that, though.

Edit: I don't think you were asking for advice, anyhow.
I've thought about this a lot. At the core of it, talking about superiority or inferiority is moot. They're happy and I'm not. Just by that they are 'superior' in a real sense.

What happens is simply that we are abysmally different, and as a result I despise their values and they despise mine. But they are the majority and they determine how society is shaped, what is acceptable, what's not, in what we are forced to participate, what the 'goals' are, etc. And because they are slightly more cognizant than chimpanzees we get to live in a dystopia based on lies and materialism.

My contempt for people is one of the clues that made me realize that I am to an unknown extent a narcissist.
 
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So the problem isn't so much being a weirdo and a loser but being a weirdo AND having a demeanor whereby your frustration and contempt is picked up by normies. I don't have this demeanor always either, with some people it goes away.
I mean, I think it is kind of understandable for people to not enjoy time spent with people who hold them in contempt? I'm glad that some of them are being nice to you anyhow.
I've thought about this a lot. At the core of it, talking about superiority or inferiority is moot. They're happy and I'm not. Just by that they are 'superior' in a real sense.

What happens is simply that we are abysmally different, and as a result I despise their values and they despise mine. But they are the majority and they determine how society is shaped, what is acceptable, what's not, in what we are forced to participate, what the 'goals' are, etc. And because they are slightly more cognizant than chimpanzees we get to live in a dystopia based on lies and materialism.
LOL. Except your co-workers are not fully in control of the atmosphere of the workplace? And surely aren't to blame for consumerism, and etc. Also, it kind of sounds like you can exert some control there by exuding toxic negative vibes? Plus the atmosphere of the workplace is somewhat controlled from the top down? IDK.

I think the only thing a person can do about the contempt thing (if they care to do it, because sometimes it isn't really worth it) is to purposely seek to find something good in the person and focus on that.

There is also a thing that might be something like a religious practice--except nowadays the dominant (US) religion seems not to be doing it or advocating it. You look at the person and think to yourself, "Just like me, this person has suffered in life. Just like me, this person is seeking happiness. Just like me, this person is learning about life." And a fourth one that I don't remember. Honestly? I have set out to do this at times, but have mostly been unable to do it in the moment.

And AA(?) has a prayer thing to use for the people who are living in your head because they've harmed you or others--or for whatever reason, you really resent them. I don't remember how it goes. Something like praying or wishing for that person (named by name) to have health, happiness, prosperity, and "everything I wish for myself." Supposedly the big secret there is spend some time drilling down to exactly what it is that you wish for yourself. Then you (maybe) realize that if only that person actually HAD the thing(s) they wouldn't be so horrible. But, geeze, in your case you would have to be praying for the entire world, I guess. That seems impossible. Maybe pick whomever the worst one is?
My contempt for people is one of the clues that made me realize that I am to an unknown extent a narcissist.
The narcissism thing is interesting. Someone I know quite well has a number of (IMO) narcissistic qualities. And he had at one point been professionally diagnosed(?) with an inferiority complex? LOL. (IDK if that's a real diagnosis or just a thing he took away via misunderstanding what the shrink said.)

I hope you can figure out a way to be less unhappy and more "comfortable," for lack of a better term.

Editing: I would bet that the feedback loop you described also works in the opposite direction. If you are (inside yourself) more comfortable and "happier," then people will be more comfortable around you and act in a way that you will perceive as their being nice to you. Also I think it was perceptive what you said about seeking positive feedback (or something along those lines).

Edit 2: Now I am imagining your judging me for overusing the word "thing" in this novella I just wrote. Just to spite you (haha), I am NOT going back to make my writing better.
 
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My contempt for people is one of the clues that made me realize that I am to an unknown extent a narcissist
I have throughout my life thought that my ambitions deserve fruition over other people's, simply because they were 'better', because I thought they were better, therefore they WERE better - confusing subjectivity and objectivity is a good sign that one is a narcissist I think - I hate the music you like, therefore it IS shit! I find you annoying and retarded, therefore you ARE an annoying retard! 'Maybe the problem is with me / maybe I'm closed-minded musically / Maybe I'm annoying and retarded', doesn't even occur to the extreme narcissist - that was me in my 20's for sure!
inferiority complex
I have had this for sure, and still do - it's actually related to my CTB - I feel that if I can't make music, I'm nothing, or if I can't reach for some dramatic musical goal, there's no point in being here - and my chronic pain is preventing all that from happening, so I may as well die, because being here without the ability to redeem myself beyond this current state of inferiority, is pointless
 
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I mean, I think it is kind of understandable for people to not enjoy time spent with people who hold them in contempt? I'm glad that some of them are being nice to you anyhow.

LOL. Except your co-workers are not fully in control of the atmosphere of the workplace? And surely aren't to blame for consumerism, and etc. Also, it kind of sounds like you can exert some control there by exuding toxic negative vibes? Plus the atmosphere of the workplace is somewhat controlled from the top down? IDK.

I think the only thing a person can do about the contempt thing (if they care to do it, because sometimes it isn't really worth it) is to purposely seek to find something good in the person and focus on that.

There is also a thing that might be something like a religious practice--except nowadays the dominant (US) religion seems not to be doing it or advocating it. You look at the person and think to yourself, "Just like me, this person has suffered in life. Just like me, this person is seeking happiness. Just like me, this person is learning about life." And a fourth one that I don't remember. Honestly? I have set out to do this at times, but have mostly been unable to do it in the moment.

And AA(?) has a prayer thing to use for the people who are living in your head because they've harmed you or others--or for whatever reason, you really resent them. I don't remember how it goes. Something like praying or wishing for that person (named by name) to have health, happiness, prosperity, and "everything I wish for myself." Supposedly the big secret there is spend some time drilling down to exactly what it is that you wish for yourself. Then you (maybe) realize that if only that person actually HAD the thing(s) they wouldn't be so horrible. But, geeze, in your case you would have to be praying for the entire world, I guess. That seems impossible. Maybe pick whomever the worst one is?

The narcissism thing is interesting. Someone I know quite well has a number of (IMO) narcissistic qualities. And he had at one point been professionally diagnosed(?) with an inferiority complex? LOL. (IDK if that's a real diagnosis or just a thing he took away via misunderstanding what the shrink said.)

I hope you can figure out a way to be less unhappy and more "comfortable," for lack of a better term.

Editing: I would bet that the feedback loop you described also works in the opposite direction. If you are (inside yourself) more comfortable and "happier," then people will be more comfortable around you and act in a way that you will perceive as their being nice to you. Also I think it was perceptive what you said about seeking positive feedback (or something along those lines).

Edit 2: Now I am imagining your judging me for overusing the word "thing" in this novella I just wrote. Just to spite you (haha), I am NOT going back to make my writing better.
Lol, I wouldn't ever hold contempt or negative feelings for someone that has liked some of my posts and is making an effort to help and understand me, much less based on the 'overuse' of a word.

You are one of the people on the site that make me feel welcome and supported.
 
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I mean, I think it is kind of understandable for people to not enjoy time spent with people who hold them in contempt? I'm glad that some of them are being nice to you anyhow.

LOL. Except your co-workers are not fully in control of the atmosphere of the workplace? And surely aren't to blame for consumerism, and etc. Also, it kind of sounds like you can exert some control there by exuding toxic negative vibes? Plus the atmosphere of the workplace is somewhat controlled from the top down? IDK.

I think the only thing a person can do about the contempt thing (if they care to do it, because sometimes it isn't really worth it) is to purposely seek to find something good in the person and focus on that.

There is also a thing that might be something like a religious practice--except nowadays the dominant (US) religion seems not to be doing it or advocating it. You look at the person and think to yourself, "Just like me, this person has suffered in life. Just like me, this person is seeking happiness. Just like me, this person is learning about life." And a fourth one that I don't remember. Honestly? I have set out to do this at times, but have mostly been unable to do it in the moment.

And AA(?) has a prayer thing to use for the people who are living in your head because they've harmed you or others--or for whatever reason, you really resent them. I don't remember how it goes. Something like praying or wishing for that person (named by name) to have health, happiness, prosperity, and "everything I wish for myself." Supposedly the big secret there is spend some time drilling down to exactly what it is that you wish for yourself. Then you (maybe) realize that if only that person actually HAD the thing(s) they wouldn't be so horrible. But, geeze, in your case you would have to be praying for the entire world, I guess. That seems impossible. Maybe pick whomever the worst one is?

The narcissism thing is interesting. Someone I know quite well has a number of (IMO) narcissistic qualities. And he had at one point been professionally diagnosed(?) with an inferiority complex? LOL. (IDK if that's a real diagnosis or just a thing he took away via misunderstanding what the shrink said.)

I hope you can figure out a way to be less unhappy and more "comfortable," for lack of a better term.

Editing: I would bet that the feedback loop you described also works in the opposite direction. If you are (inside yourself) more comfortable and "happier," then people will be more comfortable around you and act in a way that you will perceive as their being nice to you. Also I think it was perceptive what you said about seeking positive feedback (or something along those lines).

Edit 2: Now I am imagining your judging me for overusing the word "thing" in this novella I just wrote. Just to spite you (haha), I am NOT going back to make my writing better.
I have to get back to you with a proper response but one of your points can be dealt with already. Yes, I can confidently say people in the office are responsible for consumerism, materialism, living in denial, etc. You just need to see what music they're into, popular trap about sex and intellectual degradation. The music that absolutely grates my soul and I know to be poison is soothing to them.

I had a better day today as I smiled and talked with them but yeah, they're scum. They are peaceful scum, peacefully, comfortably colluding with a international criminal syndicate to destroy everything that makes living worth for a sentient human being.

Simply put? They are normal people. As soon as the new covid hoax or plan is introduced they will once again obey, comply and become less sentient, more in denial, more repulsive. My hatred for them is not coming out of thin air or lack of sex, I used to be this vibrantly intellectual literary, philosophical guy but over time I realized what kind of world I had to live in, and that all the smarts in the world or all the art in the world can't change the masses, which are engineered by powerful puppeteers and dictate what I have to go through. Not Aldous Huxley or Portishead, but the people waiting for the bus, these are the ones that defined my life experience and decide what is working, what is music, what humanity should be striving towards.

One day I realized that I truly hated them, and that they are a problem. They're a problem to me, but as you know also to the environment. They're being sterilized as we speak, but surely there will be a massive culling this decade too.
 
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You say that you like when people are friendly and chat with you, but in the same breath you say that you hate them because they're scum. Seems quite paradoxical.
 
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You say that you like when people are friendly and chat with you, but in the same breath you say that you hate them because they're scum. Seems quite paradoxical.
It's interesting when a narcissist says everything that goes on his mind. People should take this as a opportunity to get a glimpse inside a narcissistic mind.

Everyone is always talking about the victims of narcissism but many narcissists are victims of themselves if that makes any sense. I always exist in a state of ambivalence, indecision, duality. If it looks insane it's because it is.

But yeah, I think everyone participating in society without pushing back on how it is run is scum. Doesn't mean I can't superficially treat them well though, or pretend so that we do stuff together.

Super normies like suicidally curious are now openly airing sentiments similar to mine, so don't get too shocked. They want the antivaxxers and science-deniers to die. But we want them to die too. Both sides are sure the other team is upholding ignorance and lies, but only one group is right. These feelings will get heightened as time goes on, as the Trump saga showed, and conflict will ensue.
 
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You could also, idk, stop calling people 'normies'. That really doesn't help. So many of us talk about the divide between people who understand what it's like to be suicidal and those that don't. Bridging that divide isn't going to be helped by entrenching these us vs. them attitudes, especially when you use such childish labels 'normies'.
 
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You could also, idk, stop calling people 'normies'. That really doesn't help. So many of us talk about the divide between people who understand what it's like to be suicidal and those that don't. Bridging that divide isn't going to be helped by entrenching these us vs. them attitudes, especially when you use such childish labels 'normies'.
Why do we need to bridge a divide when we didn't cause it in the first place?

If people want to shun and ostracise suicidal people, we are not to blame or responsible for fixing that.
 
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Why do we need to bridge a divide when we didn't cause it in the first place?

If people want to shun and ostracise suicidal people, we are not to blame or responsible for fixing that.
We're not responsible for fixing it but the world is fucking unfair and if we want to be taken seriously then unfortunately we're the minority and need to take steps to not be even more ostracized and shunned. Do you really think someone coming on here to get a glimpse into the mind of a suicidal person and seeing themselves referred to as a 'normie' or whatever is going to make them more empathetic to our cause?
 
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We're not responsible for fixing it but the world is fucking unfair and if we want to be taken seriously then unfortunately we're the minority and need to take steps to not be even more ostracized and shunned. Do you really think someone coming on here to get a glimpse into the mind of a suicidal person and seeing themselves referred to as a 'normie' or whatever is going to make them more empathetic to our cause?
My preference is to just die.
 
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You could also, idk, stop calling people 'normies'. That really doesn't help. So many of us talk about the divide between people who understand what it's like to be suicidal and those that don't. Bridging that divide isn't going to be helped by entrenching these us vs. them attitudes, especially when you use such childish labels 'normies'.
You know, I´m not just (mentally) suicidal, I´m genuinely fucking weird. I never had sex (and feel often like sex is disgusting), I have Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Schizotypal, Asperger´s, I have the opposite interests and values of most people, I loathe the music they blast on their cars, I am a massive conspiracy theorist. You better fucking believe me when I say it´s basically like I´m from another species. I don´t enjoy it but it is what is.

Normie is a very funny meme word because groups that consider each other normies will use it to divide their special group from the outside. Here in SaSu it´s usage is well defined IMO: those that consider living superior to everything else and that think voluntary death can never be acceptable. There´s a certain efilist philosophy that comes with the terrain, not always but somewhat. But for me personally some people in SaSu are normies, obviously. It´s a word that tries to express how alienated a person or group feels. Trust me that just not using the word isn´t going to make feel more included in society when they mandate masks or the police harass me for walking the dog in a technocratic dystopia that all normies uphold.
 
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