Attempt survivors who are pro-life are fucking disgusting

[imnotsurewhy]

i m sorry but you are scum if you are willing to support pro life after surviving an attempt

 

[ijustwishtodie]

In addition to these people are also the people who recovered from their desire to be dead and turn completely pro life as a result and all of their empathy for us has disappeared. I can sort of make an excuse for pro lifers who were never suicidal in the first place as they simply just don't understand what it's like. However, the people who survived an attempt do understand yet they still act the way they do. It's sickening but I think that's just the consequence of being pro life. Pro lifers are just awful in general

 

[Forever Sleep]

Maybe they had some glorious revelation about how they could be content or happy in this life and, they want others to find this too. I agree though- it depends on how they present this to people. If they push it on people, that's so hypocritical after they themselves attempted- because presumably- they ignored all the pro-life crap to do that! They ought to cast their minds back to before they attempted to be more empathetic really.

It's like anything though. A friend of mine once commented that ex smokers were the worst for acting righteous around people who do smoke. They presumably feel as if it was something 'evil' that they overcame- so- so can you type thing. People who attempted suicide though didn't actually overcome it though- at least- not in that moment. They were- presumably, fully prepared to quit at that point. It's just by chance that they didn't, or perhaps they changed their mind and got help.

 

[Kasumi]

Maybe they had some glorious revelation about how they could be content or happy in this life and, they want others to find this too. I agree though- it depends on how they present this to people. If they push it on people, that's so hypocritical after they themselves attempted- because presumably- they ignored all the pro-life crap to do that! They ought to cast their minds back to before they attempted to be more empathetic really.

It's like anything though. A friend of mine once commented that ex smokers were the worst for acting righteous around people who do smoke. They presumably feel as if it was something 'evil' that they overcame- so- so can you type thing. People who attempted suicide though didn't actually overcome it though- at least- not in that moment. They were- presumably, fully prepared to quit at that point. It's just by chance that they didn't, or perhaps they changed their mind and got help.

That, and also, people are different, it's great that they could solve their problems and find a way out, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is so lucky.

 

[NekiLik]

People who have survived suicide attempts often have complex feelings and perspectives, and it's not fair to dismiss them as "disgusting" or "scum" for finding value in life after experiencing such pain. Everyone's journey is different.

 

[Slow_Farewell]

mmmm.
I dont think i'd go as far as agree that they are disgusting. Sure, they can be annoying, and sure, they can often be pushy about their points. Some may end up as being pro-life, some may not.
But even if they did end up as being pro-life and pushy, i don't think anyone can say they are totally wrong.
While it is true that what they went through and how they resolved/reconciled their issues may not be applicable to everyone, it doesn't mean they are not applicable to anyone.
It could be there are certain similarities to whatever someone else is experiencing.

 

[Shrike]

It's difficult for me to summon too much contempt for those who suffered so much they felt compelled to try CTB. Standard recovery does tend to imply drinking the koolaid and I've been close enough to that to see how that comes about.

I'm not a fan of it but these people would be the weakest and most vulnerable of their lot. I'd rather take it up with the memes the greater society peddles.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, they truly are as after all not everyone is as delusional as them, I believe one would have to be severely deluded to wish to decay from age in this hellish and harmful existence in the first place, I see no value in the prolonging of futile, meaningless suffering in this existence where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel.
It's very disgusting how they force their delusions onto others and wish to make existence into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape on their own terms even know none of us ever chose this in the first place, it was so harmfully imposed.

All that those pro-life people ever do is cause way more harm, to want to enslave others in this existence is not just harmful but also evil. It will always be evil how many want to make it so others are tormented in this existence for decades on end until one ceases to exist anyway despite the fact that nobody is obligated to continue existing. I despise people like those you mentioned because I'd always prefer to not exist and only see non-existence as desirable, existence itself is an abomination.

 

[Neowise]

They probably think they have been enlightened and want to preach their wisdom to others in need. I do get that to be honest. But there might also be a survivor bias in this. The ones who didn't recover attempted a second time and succeeded. What we see is the people who did actually recover.

What I find even less understandable is what this one dude who was a member of this forum did (forgot his name, his mother created the "Stop Sanctioned Suicide" Facebook group). He came on here to research his method, killed himself and apparently left a note with his last wish saying this site must be shut down. So now his mother has been fighting for this cause for years now. Unbelievable.

 

[UKscotty]

I wouldn't say disgusting just lucky they have recovered.

I just don't think all of us can recovery though. Some depression is too difficult to treat and to us, we are too broken.

 

[Valky]

Well, good for them, if they recovered. Hypocritical to be pro-life after but oh well.

 

[SilentSadness]

I think pro lifers are just disgusting in general, the idea that it's right to force others to suffer for no reason at all is so toxic and horrible.

 

[divinemistress36]

I think they are people who were only going through temporary pain .

 

[imnotsurewhy]

They are the same thing as you gay person in homophobic church saying their gayness is an illness or i dont know or neurodivergent people supporting AutismSpeaks.Btw sorry if my english is bad its not my first language lol

 

[exiled]

Ok but Kevin Hines pisses me off beyond belief and acts like a savior and anti suicide when he barely survived an attempt.

Sure if you want to educate people on how you regretted your decision and that you have a glorious revelation, go for it. But he acts like you're a sinner just for thinking it. Gross.

People who have survived suicide attempts often have complex feelings and perspectives, and it's not fair to dismiss them as "disgusting" or "scum" for finding value in life after experiencing such pain. Everyone's journey is different.

It's not about them being disgusting for finding life after pain. It's when they become so against it for everyone else and make them feel like they're so wrong for having thoughts that absolutely makes them disgusting and scum.

 

[shinitai_sh0jo]

Agreed.

I have both my mother and aunt that already tried to commit ctb, but either failed or give up. My aunt is now one of those people who lives for Christianity and my mother just dealt with therapy and such.

It sucks how I know that my problems sometimes are too stressful for her to deal with, but I hate how she thinks it's selfishness, out of all things.
+ having a grandfather who died from ctb doesn't really help all the discussion she does around the topic.

I think I'd just like people to realise that, yes, we live with a society and family around us, but the wish to ctb doesn't revolve around them/is not something to just be solved with simple thinking.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

I don't know how much sense this makes, but big part of that may be how much people tend to focus on the present. Generally, people put a lot of attention on the moment they are living and seem incapable of seeing beyond it. It's the same reason why most people are terrible at discipline, why would I go gym if I don't get instant pleasure? Tomorrow I'll diet, I swear! And one more cup of booze can't be too bad, right? I'm not hungover yet. so it doesn't concern me!

I've said it before, but you can see this in daily things like soccer. It has been researched the bad consequences on the brain outweight those of winning, yet people doesn't care and continues doing it. Why? Because most people only care about instant pleasure. People usually doesn't care how bad the consequences are if it doesn't affect them in that moment. Even if you went through something similar, it doesn't affect you anymore, so you don't have to really think if it was worth it in first place.

it's not fair to dismiss them as "disgusting" or "scum" for finding value in life

See, that's not the problem. Many people here don't want to die and no one is attacking them for that. The problem is the people who use that to control others and claim all life as good, disregarding their circumstamces and desires.

 

[Gonnerr]

Ok but Kevin Hines pisses me off beyond belief and acts like a savior and anti suicide when he barely survived an attempt.

Sure if you want to educate people on how you regretted your decision and that you have a glorious revelation, go for it. But he acts like you're a sinner just for thinking it. Gross.

It's not about them being disgusting for finding life after pain. It's when they become so against it for everyone else and make them feel like they're so wrong for having thoughts that absolutely makes them disgusting and scum.

Maybe he really wanted to die but since its one of the few survivors of the golden gate , it gives him a purpose in life and everybody wants to hear his story, he became somehow popular because of that so now he is happy to live.

 

[Raindancer]

I think most people are just doing the best they can with what they know. I would say the majority of people against suicide are not because they want people to suffer, but because in their mind everyone can get better. They could have a hard time seeing things from others perspectives. That can come off as being cold, cruel and mean. Granted some people do things deliberately to cause issues but overall I think they just cannot see things from our point of view. For those who attempted and then became aggressively prolife, maybe as @Gonnerr said, it gave them their life's purpose.

 

[dinosavr]

Yes!!!!
It's awful how manipulative they are. Maybe not on purpose, but still. They come up with their phrases like "you'll regret it the moment you jump" etc. And everyone automatically assumes that is the only truth. And I believe it can be the truth in many cases. But absolutely not in all of them. Nobody listens to the other side of the story, because there is no one to tell it, no one to confirm that they committed suicide and they don't regret it at all. Why? Oh! Because they're dead :)

We may go on and on about how we truly want to die but they will forever assume it's a disorder and keep on trying to heal it.

 

[Adûnâi]

It's difficult for me to summon too much contempt for those who suffered so much they felt compelled to try CTB. Standard recovery does tend to imply drinking the koolaid and I've been close enough to that to see how that comes about.

This entire point is a carbon copy of how incels immediately turn into blue-pilled normies the moment they get a girlfriend experience.

 

[thetruetato]

i m sorry but you are scum if you are willing to support pro life after surviving an attempt

Honestly some attempt survivors might be pretending to be pro life out of fear of being re-hospitalized

 

[DreamEnd]

I think it's understandable given the fact that survivors regret is a thing. These people probably did not consider the weight of their actions and their perspective on life changed immediately after surviving the attempt. Suddenly all of the problems that contributed to their desire to ctb started to look very small compared to the weight of the action of suicide. Unfortunately recovery doesn't work like that for everyone and some are still suicidal

 

[Young.Werther]

I wouldn't say scum — pro choice is different from pro-death. If they find happiness/peace in CHOOSING life good for them. But they shouldn't make/force that choice for others.