Aren't you afraid of not existing forever after you ctb?

[Prime]

Lol

 

[Sayo]

That's an interesting question when you phrase it like that that I never really thought about.
But I guess not being able to experience anything in general.
And in particular things like music, the taste of chocolate, a warm bath stuff like that.

Yes , you are not going to experience bad things (that we all here have plenty of I am sure and is why we want to ctb) like mental stress, regrets, mental anguish, depression, shame, disappointmemt, anger and so on.
But you will not experience neutral or good things like I mentioned above either ever again.
That is what you have to lose.

Exactly.

'Should I kill myself, or have a cup of coffee?' - probably not Albert Camus.

Accepting that life might be meaningless and also even terrible and largely weighted towards suffering does not negate that plenty of it can be pleasurable, and that it is for most people easier to exist for a moment longer to drink coffee than to finally die.

I think acknowledging and grieving those things is part of most life trajectories, whether the death is natural or not.

 

[Prime]

Things will get really nasty if we bring karma into this. If the Hindus are correct and karma decides everything, and if ctb is a "foul karma". Then God help us all !
lol

 

[Sayo]

Yes infinity and eternity seem frightening. The very idea of something that never ends is frightening and almost incomprehensible. But if we are not there to "experience" that infinity then it doesn't seem terrifying at all.
If you are a real number, then the infinite number line will seem frightening to you if you have to walk through it. But say you are an alphabet, I mean you are "something"(which is actually nothing) who does not belong to that real number line. Then there is no need to be afraid.

True, but you are a member of the set of the real number line and the alphabet. You don't perceive it, but you or your components are always a part of it and subject to its laws. Which is fine, it doesn't cause you pain after death. For me, it does in life, and I know it will cease when I die with all probability.

And that's sort of the point I think both of us see. Fear of death, or any related issue, is for the living.

I could choose to ignore it, because I hope to transition out of that soon, but I don't. There are things that give me pain that are dumb, but acknowledging my consciousness and its effective limitations of comprehension and observation is worth the terror it brings. There's nothing else but falling asleep that makes me feel closer to death, actually.

 

[Schopenhauer]

The Rig Veda says there is an afterlife. The Bible says there is an afterlife. The Geets says there is an afterlife. The Quran says there is an afterlife. Budhdhist scriptures also talk about afterlife.

How can everyone be wrong !

And they all talk about wildly different afterlifes. It's a nonsensical concept, born out of ignorance and fear of death.

 

[millefeui]

Being dead forever sounds amazing. What is there to fear? It is not like you will know you are dead, since you will not exist anymore. No consciousness whatsoever. That is, assuming there isn't some afterlife bullshit awaiting us.

 

[Prime]

Talking about afterlife for a human being might be just as stupid as talking about the afterlife of a computer. Suppose there is a computer which is extremely sophisticated and really high-fi, so high-fi that it can actually generate ideas on its own(its really super duper well programmed, okay). Now if that computer begins to ponder that I am so advanced and I can think on my own all sorts of stuff good and evil et cetera so I must be more than just a stupid machine. I should be something bigger something more important something more valuable to the universe so when I go lights out, there might be a soul within me which makes me so efficient and it will go into an afterlife. Well such a well programmed computer won't be so dumb but try to get my point. We are like this computer I explained to you. Very very well programmed and are so advanced that we consider ourselves more than just "bio-chemical machines". This leads to the idea of afterlife, God, soul, karma and all that nonsense(I am not hurting anyone's beliefs, its just my opinion). I firmly believe that we are just biological machines which when die are NO MORE. As simple as that.
But still I might be wrong because I have never died before. And when I do I won't come here to tell you !

 

[Prime]

Think about this.
Do you think an ant has an afterlife?
If yes, what is hell for an ant? I can't imagine what it would be like. What is heaven like for an ant? A place full of sugar? Lol
When we talk about an ant, it seems idiotic to think that it would have an afterlife. Just try to think like that for yourself !

 

[Ghab]

I mean that's what scares me the most about ctb.
That death is eternal, being dead forever.
Not for a trillion years.
Not for a quintillion years.
For EVER.

You must've never done shrooms before. Trust me, I'm 100 fucking percent certain after that, there is a higher power, and it's definitely not from a religion of earth.

 

[Prime]

Also we are not a "single living thing". We are made up of countless cells and there are countless tiny oranisms inside us. Will each of them go to different places in an afterlife? Lol
When we die some of us will be burnt while some buried. In either case the body will deteriorate and disintegate into simpler substances which will get mixed in air, soil, water. They will be consumed by other living things. So technically speaking "we" will still be alive in millions of places together lol.
Thinking on this line, there is not much difference between being alive and dead. Its like a jiggsaw puzzle. When the scenery is complete, its ordered and perfect, its life. Everyother configuration of the pieces is death. The pieces that make us will still be here. Only the configuration will change !

 

[onewayroad]

I have posted in other threads about this and proven my ignorance. I haven't had a fear of death since I was a very small child so I can't remember what it feels like and so I'm terrible at addressing people's fears, but in my mind I was dead for eternity before I was conceived and after I die it will be no different. Eternity goes both ways.

Eternity of nothing was fine the first time I did it and I'm sure it'll be fine the next time I do it.

I might be unsympathetic but from my perspective that's how it is.

 

[Prime]

Thats another thing that consciousness exists only when the scenery is complete not in any other configuration. But if consciousness exists external to the pieces making you and me then there's trouble.

 

[No Future]

The Rig Veda says there is an afterlife. The Bible says there is an afterlife. The Geets says there is an afterlife. The Quran says there is an afterlife. Budhdhist scriptures also talk about afterlife.

How can everyone be wrong !

Because the living have no real perspective on death whatsoever. How can they?

Not to mention fairy tales aren't particularly reliable sources of factual information.

 

[Threads]

Death is just another step in a greater journey.

All that you've experienced and have experienced has transpired ad infinitum.

 

[GoingSoonish]

The current understanding is that the universe will eventually "die". If correct, there is no such thing as eternity.

 

[Final Escape]

I mean that's what scares me the most about ctb.
That death is eternal, being dead forever.
Not for a trillion years.
Not for a quintillion years.
For EVER.

I figure I won't know that I'm dead, what does bother me is possibly reincarnation or somehow my consciousness doesn't die. Now I'm without a body yet still having to watch everything going on in society lol! I worry I'll still exist but just invisibly and without participating. I'll be like that guy in the movie city of angels. Hanging around but invisible and not being able to participate but just looking on to watch what's going on around me.

 

[GiveMeNovacaine]

This fear is the only thing standing in my way right now. There's nothing in this world that I want to live for.

 

[TheDarkness]

Even if that non existence is eternal?

Yes and?

 

[Fcancer]

I figure I won't know that I'm dead, what does bother me is possibly reincarnation or somehow my consciousness doesn't die. Now I'm without a body yet still having to watch everything going on in society lol! I worry I'll still exist but just invisibly and without participating. I'll be like that guy in the movie city of angels. Hanging around but invisible and not being able to participate but just looking on to watch what's going on around me.

This would be algood, then I can still watch my sports teams haha

 

[midastic]

Not at all, I strongly despise myself and want to die quickly. I'm more afraid of having live another year and suffer from my terrible anxiety, OCD, and depression. I will definitely miss stuff that I won't get experience ever again but thats not a reason for me to live if I can't be able to experience anything I enjoy while im suffering. I'm mostly afraid about the agony I will face in the method I choose to CTB but its starting to come to the point that it doesn't matter for me.

 

[Volatile]

If you were truly suffering, then you would DESIRE eternal nothing. The act of thinking is torturous.

 

[creationisdeath]

Talking about afterlife for a human being might be just as stupid as talking about the afterlife of a computer. Suppose there is a computer which is extremely sophisticated and really high-fi, so high-fi that it can actually generate ideas on its own(its really super duper well programmed, okay). Now if that computer begins to ponder that I am so advanced and I can think on my own all sorts of stuff good and evil et cetera so I must be more than just a stupid machine. I should be something bigger something more important something more valuable to the universe so when I go lights out, there might be a soul within me which makes me so efficient and it will go into an afterlife. Well such a well programmed computer won't be so dumb but try to get my point. We are like this computer I explained to you. Very very well programmed and are so advanced that we consider ourselves more than just "bio-chemical machines". This leads to the idea of afterlife, God, soul, karma and all that nonsense(I am not hurting anyone's beliefs, its just my opinion). I firmly believe that we are just biological machines which when die are NO MORE. As simple as that.
But still I might be wrong because I have never died before. And when I do I won't come here to tell you !

There are some scientists who apparently have proven there is "more" to it than the biochemical machine we assumed so far. Of course that could mean it's just some other kind of "machine" that we don't yet understand.

For interested people: Dr. Stuart Hameroff. Roger Penrose, Microtubules. Unfortunately there are a lot of "woo" videos out there and I'm not well versed enough to judge for myself.



I am deathly afraid of reincarnation. I want ascension or non-existence. But please no more of this materialist suffering..

 

[RainAndSadness]

I hope to dive into nothingness. I desire it.

 

[MAIO]

The current understanding is that the universe will eventually "die". If correct, there is no such thing as eternity.

The current understanding that is a few decades old at most. Although multiverse is very plausible, evreything could come back together than explode again etc so it's probaly irrelavent.

 

[lv-gras]

I hope to dive into nothingness. I desire it.

yes understandable

wish for that too

 

[deflagrat]

I don't fear death, I don't fear ctb, but it took a long time (years) to have the mindset I have now. If we had to choose between immortality and death this issue you are having would make sense, but you don't really lose that much. Is life that interesting and satisfying to you? To me it isn't, if I wasn't living with my parents (for free) I would be death by now. To me living is way more scary than suicide, so it makes sense that one day my desire to be free from pain will be stronger than my intention to keep living.

 

[Tara2018]

Not at all , that's what I want a long time ago .

 

[Daystavro]

Not at all , that's what I want a long time ago .

Even if it's FOREVER?.

I mean you have to realize, you are not going to be dead just for a million years, or just for a billion or just for a trillion or just for 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion.
It is FOR ALL ETERNITY meaning you will NEVER come back to life.
Not even after 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion years.

 

[deflagrat]

Even if it's FOREVER?.

I mean you have to realize, you are not going to be dead just for a million years, or just for a billion or just for a trillion or just for 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion.
It is FOR ALL ETERNITY meaning you will NEVER come back to life.
Not even after 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion years.

Everyone dies, that's why it is so easy to accept. There is no way around it, it maybe tomorrow or it maybe in 40 years but it's not even that long. Think about it this way: If life always sucks, what's the difference between millions of years and eternity? You will always have one more opportunity to suffer. The only way to avoid it is eternal nothingness. In a way, nothingness is eternal bliss, free from suffering and drugs like pleasure, only to be a pawn in society.

 

[Daystavro]

Everyone dies, that's why it is so easy to accept. There is no way around it, it maybe tomorrow or it maybe in 40 years but it's not even that long. Think about it this way: If life always sucks, what's the difference between millions of years and eternity? You will always have one more opportunity to suffer. The only way to avoid it is eternal nothingness. In a way, nothingness is eternal bliss, free from suffering and drugs like pleasure, only to be a pawn in society.

Believe me I don't enjoy life either, but it scares me that once i'm dead , that state of being dead will NEVER end.

Again there is a huuuuuge difference between even 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion years or really any duration of time and eternity.

And the difference is that 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion years is a very very very very long time but it ends eventually.
Eternity on the other hand *NEVER* fucking ends.
Not even after
9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 trillion years.
And what is that time compared to eternity?
Not a drop in the ocean even.
And that is what terrifies me.