Venting Are incels bad (considering one set up this forum)?

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

"Abhorrent behaviour" = venting on an anonymous forum? Pretty sure those people who cut female genitalia off in Egypt are a far cry from those incels. Yet the incels are "abhorrent"? Priorities, man.

Playing whataboutism is a weak and childish tactic; as if something that is comparably "worse" automatically negates the harmfulness of the lesser evil.

I also wouldn't expect anything less than hand-waving derision from a guy who just a couple of comments above admitted to hating women.

It's pretty clear from your comments that you defend and sympathize with the very people we're discussing, and probably have parroted their sentiments.

It's ironic how the same people who justify and excuse misogyny from incels would absolutely lose their shit if they saw anything resembling misandry.

 

[Adûnâi]

I also wouldn't expect anything less than hand-waving derision from a guy who just a couple of comments above admitted to hating women.

Could you please pinpoint the specific comment of mine? Hasn't it been my position that hating women in a vacuum is a fool's errand, that it's the entire structure of our species, esp. in a given culture, that's the issue?

It's pretty clear from your comments that you defend and sympathize with the very people we're discussing, and probably have parroted their sentiments.

Oh, I'm definitely trying to sympathise with people - that's why I'm on this forum in the first place. (Or even in this life, if one were to assume a masochistic version of a splitting and dying god.)

It's ironic how the same people who justify and excuse misogyny from incels would absolutely lose their shit if they saw anything resembling misandry.

It's a dog eat dog world. There is no inherent contradiction to different sides of the war each wanting to win.

P.S. See, everyone here seems on the offensive against incels. A dispassionate observer wouldn't consider the incels the aggressors at all. I'm probably a fool for trying to engage in a conversation - but then again, I am.

 

[UKscotty]

No one likes or wants incels around that's why the thread gets hostile.

It's pathetic seeing their whining.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

Could you please pinpoint the specific comment of mine? Hasn't it been my position that hating women in a vacuum is a fool's errand, that it's the entire structure of our species, esp. in a given culture, that's the issue?

*Sigh*. I feel like you're just being disingenuous at this point, but here is your quote:

If I were to hijack this thread, I could say that in many ways I'm a fake poser - I'm not ugly but autistic (hence a "fakecel" "mentalcel"), I hate women but am into gentle femdom (hence "woman worshipper" and a "poofter"), and I'm suicidal but too clueless to pick a tree or buy a rope (hence a fake suicider).

Oh, I'm definitely trying to sympathise with people - that's why I'm on this forum in the first place. (Or even in this life, if one were to assume a masochistic version of a splitting and dying god.)

I love how you try to frame it as though you care about others in general, when the argument was that you specifically sympathize with a group infamous for their unhinged takes on women, thus why you dismiss the idea that they might be problematic.

P.S. See, everyone here seems on the offensive against incels. A dispassionate observer wouldn't consider the incels the aggressors at all. I'm probably a fool for trying to engage in a conversation - but then again, I am.

Sure, within this context, maybe. But this single thread on this forum is not evidence that incels aren't aggressors.

 

[Adûnâi]

I love how you try to frame it as though you care about others in general, when the argument was that you specifically sympathize with a group infamous for their unhinged takes on women, thus why you dismiss the idea that they might be problematic.

Life is problematic.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

Life is problematic.

Your physique must be impressive with all the gymnastics you are able to do.

 

[Adûnâi]

Your physique must be impressive with all the gymnastics you are able to do.

You're not really worth it, and it's not like curious bystanders are reading our conversation, but I will reply.

I consider existence disgusting. It is full of suffering and contradictory aims. Many of the sides are outright schizophrenic and irrational. Even worse, it's a zero sum game - it is kill or be killed. Steal or be robbed.

What we're doing here is relatively civil discourse. But in the end, we're shithead warriors sent to the trenches in different sides of the conflict by gods who deserve a really painful death for their sick imagination.

I wouldn't deny that women in the past suffered from patriarchy (although it is my impression that females are more evolutionarily adapted to such conditions). On the other hand, feminism makes males suffer this time. So why would I not support my brothers in pain? The ones so underdog that they only have one shitty forum which can only be found with Bing anyway?

Of course, I would rather not partake in this war at all. But suicide is as illegal here in the Ukraine as prostitution.

And even if I were a chad, able to experience true love and/or many females' attention, my moral feeling would nevertheless be still disgusted at the state of affairs where cute young boys rope themselves in this feminist hellhole.

P.S. You have to understand that I'm on this forum mainly due to incel issues. Considering that females cannot be incel, it is easy to see why I would consider female issues to be of less import - aside from physical ailments and chronic pains, of course.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

You're not really worth it, and it's not like curious bystanders are reading our conversation, but I will reply.

I consider existence disgusting. It is full of suffering and contradictory aims. Many of the sides are outright schizophrenic and irrational. Even worse, it's a zero sum game - it is kill or be killed. Steal or be robbed.

What we're doing here is relatively civil discourse. But in the end, we're shithead warriors sent to the trenches in different sides of the conflict by gods who deserve a really painful death for their sick imagination.

I wouldn't deny that women in the past suffered from patriarchy (although it is my impression that females are more evolutionarily adapted to such conditions). On the other hand, feminism makes males suffer this time. So why would I not support my brothers in pain? The ones so underdog that they only have one shitty forum which can only be found with Bing anyway?

Of course, I would rather not partake in this war at all. But suicide is as illegal here in the Ukraine as prostitution.

And even if I were a chad, able to experience true love and/or many females' attention, my moral feeling would nevertheless be still disgusted at the state of affairs where cute young boys rope themselves in this feminist hellhole.

P.S. You have to understand that I'm on this forum mainly due to incel issues. Considering that females cannot be incel, it is easy to see why I would consider female issues to be of less import - aside from physical ailments and chronic pains, of course.

Perhaps if you'd have been this forthcoming in the first place the discussion wouldn't have seemed as vapid, because I had already presumed that you held many of the sentiments mentioned here, but you wasted multiple responses being avoidant.

You've mentioned twice now how it's worthless or foolish to engage with me, yet it's worth noting that I never asked you to in the first place. You chose to respond to my original comment, and then you turn around and act exasperated that I would dare come back with a rebuttal. Like???

You've pretty much proven yourself to be the exact type of person I was talking about in my original comment.

 

[Adûnâi]

Perhaps if you'd have been this forthcoming in the first place the discussion wouldn't have seemed as vapid, because I had already presumed that you held many of the sentiments mentioned here, but you wasted multiple responses being avoidant.

Well, it is you who has been strawmanning both me specifically and incels at large. I'm a depressed mentalcel with queer political views which offend every party in the world. Incels are more on the lookist side, bemoaning their physical characteristics, their loss of developmental milestones, etc. Meanwhile, to your imagination, incels are a boogieman that does "abhorrent things" such as whining on their censored forum.

By the way, I've been sick for the third day in a row. Not to win any sympathy points, but just in case. My sore throat is at 20% of what it was yesterday, but now it's the runny nose.

You've mentioned twice now how it's worthless or foolish to engage with me, yet it's worth noting that I never asked you to in the first place.

I could say that by default I consider humans to be as inquisitive and dispassionate as myself. Another thing is that I have debates mainly for the lurkers around, not exactly to convince the opponent (because I'm usually a lurker). On the other hand, it's not like there is much space for constructive agreement here anyway - sure, there is a minority of incels who could betabuxx if they pulled themselves out of self-loathing. But then it is also true that females have it ridiculously easy in intimate matters, being a privileged class. It's a shitty existence, on that we could agree - as we're on a suicide forum, I would expect such a finale, instead of picking and shaming sides like a normie.

You've pretty much proven yourself to be the exact type of person I was talking about in my original comment.

This one?
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Instead of blaming the world or women for their so-called "genetic" downfall, perhaps they should take accountability for whatever shortcomings they might have and try to improve themselves in various ways, because 9/10 times, it's an abhorrent attitude inhibiting them from thriving socially and romantically, not their looks.

Because again, I do not share the incel theory of lookism fully. While I cannot rate my appearance myself, and have never posted my face out if fear of doxxing, I fully recognise that my greatest shortcoming is my high-functionism autism - are you denying the reality of mental disorders such as this one? Can I just stop being autistic?

And I don't even have it that bad (or maybe I gaslit myself into being indifferent). I haven't been bullied (aside from some incidents to which I summoned my mom to school). I don't have school shooter fantasies (aside from being killed). I don't even engage on the incel forum because I don't feel comfortable in a large community with hundreds of posts every day (maybe of which are mindless one-liners).

It still impresses me how easy it is for you to assume that incels can just "improve themselves". Humans do not start from a blank slate. It feels as offensive to me as considering suicide a mental disorder.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

Well, it is you who has been strawmanning both me specifically and incels at large. I'm a depressed mentalcel with queer political views which offend every party in the world. Incels are more on the lookist side, bemoaning their physical characteristics, their loss of developmental milestones, etc. Meanwhile, to your imagination, incels are a boogieman that does "abhorrent things" such as whining on their censored forum.

By the way, I've been sick for the third day in a row. Not to win any sympathy points, but just in case. My sore throat is at 20% of what it was yesterday, but now it's the runny nose.


I could say that by default I consider humans to be as inquisitive and dispassionate as myself. Another thing is that I have debates mainly for the lurkers around, not exactly to convince the opponent (because I'm usually a lurker). On the other hand, it's not like there is much space for constructive agreement here anyway - sure, there is a minority of incels who could betabuxx if they pulled themselves out of self-loathing. But then it is also true that females have it ridiculously easy in intimate matters, being a privileged class. It's a shitty existence, on that we could agree - as we're on a suicide forum, I would expect such a finale, instead of picking and shaming sides like a normie.


This one?

Because again, I do not share the incel theory of lookism fully. While I cannot rate my appearance myself, and have never posted my face out if fear of doxxing, I fully recognise that my greatest shortcoming is my high-functionism autism - are you denying the reality of mental disorders such as this one? Can I just stop being autistic?

And I don't even have it that bad (or maybe I gaslit myself into being indifferent). I haven't been bullied (aside from some incidents to which I summoned my mom to school). I don't have school shooter fantasies (aside from being killed). I don't even engage on the incel forum because I don't feel comfortable in a large community with hundreds of posts every day (maybe of which are mindless one-liners).

It still impresses me how easy it is for you to assume that incels can just "improve themselves". Humans do not start from a blank slate. It feels as offensive to me as considering suicide a mental disorder.
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K

 

[Adûnâi]

K

Great response, thanks for offering me such an authentic experience of socialisation lmao yikers

 

[cupcakesandmilk]

Jeez...

 

[vanillamilk]

It's one thing to be an incel, it's another to harbor a ton of resentment and rage towards the entirety of a gender because they don't give you the attention you think you deserve.

I get it - being depressed, isolated, socially inept, one feels the need to search for a safe space to have an outlet and bond with like-minded people.

However, this flawed mindset carries over into reality and completely retards one's progress and happiness (assuming one plans to live life and enjoy it rather than kill themselves).

Instead of blaming the world or women for their so-called "genetic" downfall, perhaps they should take accountability for whatever shortcomings they might have and try to improve themselves in various ways, because 9/10 times, it's an abhorrent attitude inhibiting them from thriving socially and romantically, not their looks.

I've seen the depraved shit they say on their forums; calling women toilets, promoting pedophilia, rape, calling for the murder of pregnant women because they experience some weird ass para-cuckholdery from seeing pregnant women in public.

Those types of people get no sympathy from me.

Just because you're miserable doesn't excuse abhorrent behavior.

just wanted to let you know that all your points were so well said !! you did a great job

 

[Kariope]

I'm a woman so I don't really have the experience to talk much I guess. I think I could call myself a femcel? But I am voluntary celibate instead of involuntary.

I have mostly male friends and I think a lot of them would fit the original definition, which is involuntary celibate instead of whatever kids think it means and use it to insult people. I myself don't enjoy physical relationships with real people and I do not understand the need for them. I see how I might be talking from a place of privilege as I am female and I do have a partner, but we're more like best friends than anything else I guess. A partner to me isn't necessarily someone I want to have sexual or romantic relationship with. We just get along and complement each other nicely enough to want to be together for a long time. My partner thinks the same I believe. He is very aware my true and only love is not a real human and he understands and accepts that.

As much as I don't get the need for a romantic/sexual relationship, I do feel deeply upset by seeing friends and acquintances feeling down- to the point that, yes, they are suicidal by not having them. I don't think incels are bad. It's not their fault, most incels I know are nice and fun people. I'm bisexual and I have been close to get involved with other females and well I've had a lot of female friends in my life of course. I think the problem mainly lies in the modern women and not the men. It's not that men have high standards for women. It's just facts that nowadays you will never find a girl who isn't a pick-me asshole. A lot of girls let the fact that they are girls get to their head, thinking that men should be of lower value than them, that men should pay for everything, and what bothers me the most is a lot of women think it's ok to openly be sluts nowadays and that men should just accept it because it's liberating and empowering or whatever their porn-rotten brains think... Also yes, lookism is a real issue. I'm not a pretty girl so I think I understand this a bit more. But still, there are a lot of ugly women with really unrealistic high standards, only wanting men who have loads of money, look really good(speaking by out society's standards) and way out of their league who will also obey and be submissive to them. It's so unrealistic. The worst thing is that a lot of men actually step down and get together with these women. Maybe just so they won't be alone? I don't know. But I wish these men could see their own value and understand they do not need romantic or sexual experiences to be happy and fulfilled.

Current society will not change, women and the men who desperately defend and bow down to their beliefs are ruined to a point of no return.

The ones who resist and may end up as incels are in the right imo. In my personal experience, no, incels are not bad.

 

[Adûnâi]

But still, there are a lot of ugly women with really unrealistic high standards, only wanting men who have loads of money, look really good(speaking by out society's standards) and way out of their league who will also obey and be submissive to them. It's so unrealistic. The worst thing is that a lot of men actually step down and get together with these women.

Your comment probably deserves to be in a hall of fame... But then again, the interested party would be highly biased. You know those YouTube comments with a trillion likes, "I'm trans but I oppose the media depiction of..."?

which is involuntary celibate instead of whatever kids think it means and use it to insult people.

Such a simple idea, thanks for voicing it! Also, comment #44.

He is very aware my true and only love is not a real human and he understands and accepts that.

Do you mean AI? Or an idealised version that's not placed on a mere human, so often set to disappoint?

Current society will not change, women and the men who desperately defend and bow down to their beliefs are ruined to a point of no return.

A transhumanist in me is merely waiting for the development of AI. A fascistic primitivist is waiting for a societal collapse. Who knows? But as for the present, we are suffering a collective punishment for the sins of our ancestors who brought it upon us. Unfortunately, reality isn't fair and doesn't care that it wasn't us who did it. It's like a genetic disease transmitted down the line.

As much as I don't get the need for a romantic/sexual relationship, I do feel deeply upset by seeing friends and acquintances feeling down- to the point that, yes, they are suicidal by not having them.

Appropriating the language, one might call such compassionate people... incel allies! (Apologies.)

 

[Ameya]

What I know of incels is that the term is tied to a certain ideology. Not having a partner, being a unwanted celibate itself is not the problem. The problem is how people act upon that fact. A lot of people start to swing into sexism views including male and female.
Like "women only want men that are 6 feet tall and super strong" "only men with muscles and a strong jawline get women" "Screw all the alpha men" blablabal
This makes people scared of "incels". And thus is used as an insult

 

[Kundalini Guy]

Depends, I have seen non-violent/hateful incels who are just poor guys who want to feel the touch of a woman I will always sympathize with them. The other group has no sympathy from me, they are borderline terrorists with how they believe all women should be genocided.

 

[Adûnâi]

borderline terrorists with how they believe all women should be genocided.

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