Discussion Anyone else think gore should be illegal?

[26mmmm]

There really are barely any pros and lots of negatives.

The only benefit I can think of is that you might be able to react better to certain gory emergency situations in real life, but even that isn't a guarantee, I've never experienced anything like it in real life so I don't know if I'd react any differently than others, but I don't think so.

Personally I think it has definitely contributed to my bad mental state.

It might be our choice at the end of the day whether to view it or not, but its accessible to anyone at any age and as a younger teen I really didn't know better, I didn't think it would affect me at the time.

It should atleast be more heavily restricted but there's probably no good way of doing that.

 

[vile samsara]

I get where you are coming from but seems a bit hypocritical to want to censor morbid things while on a site about suicide. People can make the same claim about this forum...
Ideally, parents should do their responsibility and monitor their kids instead of having the internet as a babysitter. Realistically, that won't happen, but censorship isn't an alternative solution for it either.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

If you can't handle gore then don't watch it. Did anyone "force" you to watch it? There won't be any real effective ways to restrict it anyway.

Nowadays "youth" is too "weak" anyway, I don't think that most of (very) young people even know that an animal has to die to be able to eat meat bc they only know meat is available in the supermarket but actually they have never seen how an animal is slaughtered.

 

[26mmmm]

I get where you are coming from but seems a bit hypocritical to want to censor morbid things while on a site about suicide. People can make the same claim about this forum...
Ideally, parents should do their responsibility and monitor their kids instead of having the internet as a babysitter. Realistically, that won't happen, but censorship isn't an alternative solution for it either.

Theres a big difference imo - gore can have worse effects on a healthy person and people might be more prone to engage in it than with this forum, since its considered cool by some - you see lots of people bragging about it nowadays.

I also do think this forum should be more restricted.


Like you said most parents dont do anything about it so in my opinion someone else needs to do something.

I get that some people like watching gore, buth whats the worse that could happen? They wont be able to watch some videos? Or might even be able to watch some but will have a bit if a harder time finding it? Say if it were only on tor for example
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If you can't handle gore then don't watch it. Did anyone "force" you to watch it? There won't be any real effective ways to restrict it anyway.

Nowadays "youth" is too "weak" anyway, I don't think that most of (very) young people even know that an animal has to die to be able to eat meat bc they only know meat is available in the supermarket but actually they have never seen how an animal is slaughtered.

I did handle it in the moment, but I didn't know it would have negative effects on me in the long term.
No one forced me to watch it but as a younger teen I didn't know any better, and most others don't either, so that's a pretty bad argument.

I got into it because I saw it was considered cool by some - theres a good amount of people who brag about watching gore, so you could say its peer pressure in a way.

I could compare it to porn - would you blame a young person for developing a porn addiction, or watching porn, given how accessible and normalized it is, and that younger people have less self control and weaker boundaries?

 

[vile samsara]

Theres a big difference imo - gore can have worse effects on a healthy person and people might be more prone to engage in it than with this forum, since its considered cool by some - you see lots of people bragging about it nowadays.

I also do think this forum should be more restricted.


Like you said most parents dont do anything about it so in my opinion someone else needs to do something.

I get that some people like watching gore, buth whats the worse that could happen? They wont be able to watch some videos? Or might even be able to watch some but will have a bit if a harder time finding it? Say if it were only on tor for example
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I did handle it in the moment, but I didn't know it would have negative effects on me in the long term.
No one forced me to watch it but as a younger teen I didn't know any better, and most others don't either, so that's a pretty bad argument.

I got into it because I saw it was considered cool by some - theres a good amount of people who brag about watching gore, so you could say its peer pressure in a way.

Even the healthiest of people have morbid curiosity, but if they truly are healthy with a good life, they wouldn't consume it to the same extent as us. I doubt gore is what made us suicidal. Personally, as someone who experience violence and school shooting, I think some people need to see the reality instead of ignorantly living in a bubble.

The internet also isn't a place for us to parents other people kids. I wish there were spaces for kids like the early 2000s club penguin and Habbo hotel, but they are gone.

 

[26mmmm]

Even the healthiest of people have morbid curiosity, but if they truly are healthy with a good life, they wouldn't consume it to the same extent as us. I doubt gore is what made us suicidal. Personally, as someone who experience violence and school shooting, I think some people need to see the reality instead of ignorantly living in a bubble.

The internet also isn't a place for us to parents other people kids. I wish there were spaces for kids like the early 2000s club penguin and Habbo hotel, but they are gone.

Gore definitely isnt the main reason of me being suicidal, but it definitely contributed to my mental illness.
Not every young person online is healthy, that doesn't mean gore should be easily accessible to them since that can just exacerbate things.
I agree that people need to be desensitized to death in a way but its easy to go beyond that and damage yourself mentally with the availability of gore, especially while not knowing better as a younger person.
I think the best solution is for gore to only be available on the dark web, but I don't know how that works.

 

[Zaya]

I think it's disturbing how some people brag about shit like this but also I'm pretty sure gore is already illegal in many countries, it just isn't really being enforced

 

[26mmmm]

I think it's disturbing how some people brag about shit like this but also I'm pretty sure gore is already illegal in many countries, it just isn't really being enforced

I think its disturbing too but I can understand why people brag about it. I personally used to brag about it too, because it gives the impression that you're though and can handle that type of stuff, or are mentally sick in a a way which is considered appealing nowadays like being a psychopath / sociopath etc.
People see those conditions as a cool thing, probably due to media - characters like Patrick Bateman for example.

 

[RosebyAnyName]

My mental state is absolutely at least in part a result of exposure to things on the internet. Gore, violent porn, animal abuse, snuff films, and even just hearing what people really think when they know their words can't be traced back to them. It definitely skews your worldview.

My experiences is it starts with miserable young people who start using the internet for a dopamine rush because they can't be happy in the real world, and parents do nothing because they're boomers and don't know enough about technology to see its addictive potential. Then you start accidentally stumbling upon upsetting content, and at first you don't know how to react because unconsciously it's scary and upsetting but consciously it's new and exciting so it gives you even more dopamine than "regular" content. Then you start intentionally seeking it out, morbidly curious, until you realize that the dopamine it gave you was temporary but the fear it instilled into you is permanent and can't be unlearned. You learned what the world is really like behind closed doors.

Sorry I can't help you, but I feel similarly. The internet as a whole is the wild west and there's never going to be any enforceable rules to keep upsetting content away from young people, and there's no incentive to because traumatized and addicted children are easier to control.

 

[BrainShower]

Theres a big difference imo - gore can have worse effects on a healthy person and people might be more prone to engage in it than with this forum, since its considered cool by some - you see lots of people bragging about it nowadays.

I also do think this forum should be more restricted.


Like you said most parents dont do anything about it so in my opinion someone else needs to do something.

I get that some people like watching gore, buth whats the worse that could happen? They wont be able to watch some videos? Or might even be able to watch some but will have a bit if a harder time finding it? Say if it were only on tor for example
.



I did handle it in the moment, but I didn't know it would have negative effects on me in the long term.
No one forced me to watch it but as a younger teen I didn't know any better, and most others don't either, so that's a pretty bad argument.

I got into it because I saw it was considered cool by some - theres a good amount of people who brag about watching gore, so you could say its peer pressure in a way.

I could compare it to porn - would you blame a young person for developing a porn addiction, or watching porn, given how accessible and normalized it is, and that younger people have less self control and weaker boundaries?

I would blame a young person for developing a porn addiction. I mean how young are we talking about here? Who else would be to blame instead? Why?

Should I blame the world for all the addictions I started before I was 18? It doesn't seem right to me to do so. But I guess this is the trend.

It's a big scary world out there with lots of traps and pitfalls. The only alternative is to wrap yourself in bubble wrap and watch Barney on public television all day. I hope that people don't pick that future, it won't be so great.

 

[Valky]

Nowadays "youth" is too "weak" anyway, I don't think that most of (very) young people even know that an animal has to die to be able to eat meat bc they only know meat is available in the supermarket but actually they have never seen how an animal is slaughtered.

I think quite the opposite, as a young person. A lot of people are way too desensitised. Some acquaintances, especially around the age 16-17 even thought it was funny/cool to laugh at such videos.


Generally, the comments under those videos scare me more than the video itself. Those people are more than disgusting.
I used to watch gore as a way to avoid cutting, as watching those videos would bring a lot of adrenaline with it, which you usually get from cutting. At least up until I was also desensitised and only heavy stuff could bring that effect. I love watching surgeries tho (especially irl, they are amazing) but that is a whole different story. The fact that it has a medical purpose made it more interesting than disgusting.

I do think, that it is important to make people aware and show them what disgusting things humans are capable of but at this point gore is sadly just seen as a form of entertainment or challenge, to stomach watching it, and that is just sad.
I mean, I am sure that a lot more people would be moved to do something, when seeing all those pictures and videos of dead kids in Gaza but many are just so used to it that they do not pay much attention to it.

I am sorry to hear that it affected you so much.

 

[26mmmm]

I would blame a young person for developing a porn addiction. I mean how young are we talking about here? Who else would be to blame instead? Why?

Should I blame the world for all the addictions I started before I was 18? It doesn't seem right to me to do so. But I guess this is the trend.

It's a big scary world out there with lots of traps and pitfalls. The only alternative is to wrap yourself in bubble wrap and watch Barney on public television all day. I hope that people don't pick that future, it won't be so great.

Im talking around 12-14 , which I think is the average age where people are exposed to porn. Atleast that's how it was for me and people around me.
I would of course blame them but I wouldn't blame them at the same time if that makes sense, they are the ones that started watching porn and came back to it but the addiction was sort of forced onto them, with how accessible porn is, how parent don't do anything against it and how normalized it is.
Its forced onto people at an age where they don't know better.

Im comparing it to gore because while each individual decides whether he wants to watch gore or not, at a young age you might not always see how harmful it could be psychologically and we all have morbid curiosities, so its easy to stumble across given how accessible it is and how a part of society encourages it.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I did handle it in the moment, but I didn't know it would have negative effects on me in the long term.
No one forced me to watch it but as a younger teen I didn't know any better, and most others don't either, so that's a pretty bad argument.

I got into it because I saw it was considered cool by some - theres a good amount of people who brag about watching gore, so you could say its peer pressure in a way.

I could compare it to porn - would you blame a young person for developing a porn addiction, or watching porn, given how accessible and normalized it is, and that younger people have less self control and weaker boundaries?

I wouldn't blame anyone. That's sth that is negative from all that social media stuff that is everywhere and some content should be blocked but that's also kinda difficult and even if such content was blocked people would find ways to access it anyway. It'd be better if young people could discuss such stuff openly with their parents - but I also see parents getting angry and blaming their children for watching such stuff instead of discussing with them.

 

[26mmmm]

I think quite the opposite, as a young person. A lot of people are way too desensitised. Some acquaintances, especially around the age 16-17 even thought it was funny/cool to laugh at such videos.


Generally, the comments under those videos scare me more than the video itself. Those people are more than disgusting.
I used to watch gore as a way to avoid cutting, as watching those videos would bring a lot of adrenaline with it, which you usually get from cutting. At least up until I was also desensitised and only heavy stuff could bring that effect. I love watching surgeries tho (especially irl, they are amazing) but that is a whole different story. The fact that it has a medical purpose made it more interesting than disgusting.

I do think, that it is important to make people aware and show them what disgusting things humans are capable of but at this point gore is sadly just seen as a form of entertainment or challenge, to stomach watching it, and that is just sad.
I mean, I am sure that a lot more people would be moved to do something, when seeing all those pictures and videos of dead kids in Gaza but many are just so used to it that they do not pay much attention to it.

I am sorry to hear that it affected you so much.

I got into it at the age of 15, but given how fast the internet is advancing people would probably get exposed to it at much younger ages.
I vaguely remember laughing at gore videos at the time too, but it was only a few and it probably wasn't to do with someone being tortured or something, which in my opinion is more understandable since you're laughing at something that might actually be seen as funny but people don't laugh at because it's related to death.
There's a difference between laughing at something like a persons movements when hanging because you are desensitized to it so you dont have that boundary and laughing at a person suffering.

I wouldn't blame anyone. That's sth that is negative from all that social media stuff that is everywhere and some content should be blocked but that's also kinda difficult and even if such content was blocked people would find ways to access it anyway. It'd be better if young people could discuss such stuff openly with their parents - but I also see parents getting angry and blaming their children for watching such stuff instead of discussing with them.

Less people would get into it if it were more restricted or hidden. Especially young people who might not have alot of experience with the internet.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I do think, that it is important to make people aware and show them what disgusting things humans are capable of but at this point gore is sadly just seen as a form of entertainment or challenge, to stomach watching it, and that is just sad.
I mean, I am sure that a lot more people would be moved to do something, when seeing all those pictures and videos of dead kids in Gaza but many are just so used to it that they do not pay much attention to it.

This is very well said!!

Less people would get into it if it were more restricted or hidden. Especially young people who might not have alot of experience with the internet.

The internet is everywhere, it's "needed". I neither have children nor I'm very young anymore but I use internet since I was teen and have seen how the internet developed in the past 30+ years.

 

[Valky]

I got into it at the age of 15, but given how fast the internet is advancing people would probably get exposed to it at much younger ages.
I vaguely remember laughing at gore videos at the time too, but it was only a few and it probably wasn't to do with someone being tortured or something, which in my opinion is more understandable since you're laughing at something that might actually be seen as funny but people don't laugh at because it's related to death.
There's a difference between laughing at something like a persons movements when hanging because you are desensitized to it so you dont have that boundary and laughing at a person suffering.

I have seen the videos. There is nothing funny about accidents where people get torn into pieces. I could never laugh at gore, no matter what.

 

[26mmmm]

This is very well said!!

The internet is everywhere, it's "needed". I neither have children nor I'm very young anymore but I use internet since I was teen and have seen how the internet developed in the past 30+ years.

True but a younger person probably wouldn't know how to access the deep web and stuff, so if gore was only on the DW they wont be exposed to it as much.

I have seen the videos. There is nothing funny about accidents where people get torn into pieces. I could never laugh at gore, no matter what.

I could never laugh about that stuff too, I meant videos that have something funny happening in them, like a funny motion or something.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

True but a younger person probably wouldn't know how to access the deep web and stuff, so if gore was only on the DW they wont be exposed to it as much.

It'd depend "how young" you r talking about. I think there will be always someone among a group of teens who figured out how to access sth despite filters / firewalls and so on.

 

[26mmmm]

It'd depend "how young" you r talking about. I think there will be always someone among a group of teens who figured out how to access sth despite filters / firewalls and so on.

Of course, but that's the point - most wont

 

[Valky]

I could never laugh about that stuff too, I meant videos that have something funny happening in them, like a funny motion or something.

I am aware, such videos just never have anything funny to me, no matter what Happens.

 

[26mmmm]

I am aware, such videos just never have anything funny to me, no matter what Happens.

I get it, but maybe you can understand why some people might laugh at gore videos based on what I've said?
Of course most are just insane to be able to laugh at something like that but some are just desensitized to death, so if something funny, unrelated to death, happens in a video, they might just laugh at it because they aren't bothered by the gore or by death.

 

[Valky]

I get it, but maybe you can understand why some people might laugh at gore videos based on what I've said?
Of course most are just insane to be able to laugh at something like that but some are just desensitized to death, so if something funny, unrelated to death, happens in a video, they might just laugh at it because they aren't bothered by the gore or by death.

I am not sure what kind of gore you watch but I never saw anything remotely funny. Just personal experience. :)

 

[ctbcat]

banning gore off legal platforms just endangers people to see worse on the dark web. i don't think it's that good of an idea. people are going to search for that kind of thing anyway, so having an at least minimally regulated gore website is better than the alternative of gore sandwiched between childporn, rape, the like...

 

[26mmmm]

banning gore off legal platforms just endangers people to see worse on the dark web. i don't think it's that good of an idea. people are going to search for that kind of thing anyway, so having an at least minimally regulated gore website is better than the alternative of gore sandwiched between childporn, rape, the like...

I don't think that would be the case - there are different layers of the DW, sort of, its pretty hard to find CP and other stuff, you most times need special invites and thats only after you find a legit site.
Even if it were easily accessible on the dark web I think less people would stumble upon it.

 

[Bianka]

No. It's personal choices and personal responsibilities. I think what's harmful is being blind to death and the awful things people are capable of doing to each other.
I think a great example is ww1. People went happily to fight in a glorious crucade for their countries until the reality hit when they were drowning in mud and in their friends blood in the trenches.
Seeing reality can only benefit you. Being obsessed with gore and death not so much. Just look at the recent war between ukraine and russia. No one can romanticize it because everyone did or will stumble upon pictures and videos of how war really looks like.
It's not like in the movies. It's blood intestines misery helplessness inhuman conditions torture rape and desperation

 

[Life_and_Death]

I think its disturbing too but I can understand why people brag about it. I personally used to brag about it too, because it gives the impression that you're though and can handle that type of stuff, or are mentally sick in a a way which is considered appealing nowadays like being a psychopath / sociopath etc.
People see those conditions as a cool thing, probably due to media - characters like Patrick Bateman for example.

this reminds me that i enjoyed going to school with my knuckles all bloody and the looks id get XD
the best part is ive never hit anyone in my life, it was all from a cloth punching bag and no gloves XD XD
(well except for that time i slapped my mother across the face. but she hit me first and i promise she never hit me again after that )

 

[Fractal]

I get where you are coming from but seems a bit hypocritical to want to censor morbid things while on a site about suicide. People can make the same claim about this forum...
Ideally, parents should do their responsibility and monitor their kids instead of having the internet as a babysitter. Realistically, that won't happen, but censorship isn't an alternative solution for it either.

Completely agree. One of the reasons why so many kids are depressed is because their parents aren't involved and let their kids stay on the computer all day.

 

[26mmmm]

No. It's personal choices and personal responsibilities. I think what's harmful is being blind to death and the awful things people are capable of doing to each other.
I think a great example is ww1. People went happily to fight in a glorious crucade for their countries until the reality hit when they were drowning in mud and in their friends blood in the trenches.
Seeing reality can only benefit you. Being obsessed with gore and death not so much. Just look at the recent war between ukraine and russia. No one can romanticize it because everyone did or will stumble upon pictures and videos of how war really looks like.
It's not like in the movies. It's blood intestines misery helplessness inhuman conditions torture rape and desperation

Read my other comments, it being a personal choice isn't a good argument when it comes to young people who don't know better.
I agree that being aware of the negatives in life is important, but its easy to go way further than that, it can lead you to believe the world entirely is a bad place, which is wrong imo, and even if it isn't having that mindset will only hurt you and others around you.

 

[slightoverlooked]

yes bc it hurts human dignity imo. No human deserves to be shown in their last moments unless they want to. Also, comments under gore videos are sickening. It makes me lose all hope in humanity.

 

[Bianka]

Read my other comments, it being a personal choice isn't a good argument when it comes to young people who don't know better.
I agree that being aware of the negatives in life is important, but its easy to go way further than that, it can lead you to believe the world entirely is a bad place, which is wrong imo, and even if it isn't having that mindset will only hurt you and others around you.

We are basically agreeing other than how "easy" it is to go overboard with it. With that argument sasu should be illegal.