Any Swiss People Here? I have a Doubt

[Wants-To-End]

In PPeH's book it was mentioned that, In Switzerland - Assisting someone to Suicide isn't a crime (except for selfish motives), but Don't know why, Swiss Doctors weren't doing that in full scale, like assisting suicide via online consultation, etc. - May be because of their personal Ethics?, or Do they have any Organizational / statutory Restrictions? - - - Any Swiss People here who know such open minded Doctor? - - - (Because Swiss Organizations who assist people to suicide , have their own additional set of rule and regulation, and are very strict in following it)

 

[Dayrain]

There are a few of these open-minded doctors probably in any country, but in general doctors are pro-lifers. And I have heard before that those organizations do have a network but also sometimes have problems to find doctors who are willing to work with them. So I guess, maybe you could get the contact details from such organizations if you act sensibly.

 

[Wants-To-End]

There are a few of these open-minded doctors probably in any country, but in general doctors are pro-lifers. And I have heard before that those organizations do have a network but also sometimes have problems to find doctors who are willing to work with them. So I guess, maybe you could get the contact details from such organizations if you act sensibly.

i understood there are open minded doctors everywhere, but why I asked swiss doctor is, in swiss if doctor do so it is not a crime, whereelse, if doctor in some other country do that, he could probably need to go though sever legal consequences (even jail)

 

[Dayrain]

i understood there are open minded doctors everywhere, but why I asked swiss doctor is, in swiss if doctor do so it is not a crime, whereelse, if doctor in some other country do that, he could probably need to go though sever legal consequences (even jail)

Ok. What I wanted to say is that I suppose that also Swiss doctors rather work together with an organization than independently, but I'm not sure. But you are right, there might be a few in Switzerland who are working independently. I've never heard of a Swiss psychiatrist for example who does that, and I can imagine that there are not a few who get asked by their (Swiss) patients for euthanasia, knowing their laws.

 

[Wants-To-End]

Ok. What I wanted to say is that I suppose that also Swiss doctors rather work together with an organization than independently, but I'm not sure. But you are right, there might be a few in Switzerland who are working independently. I've never heard of a Swiss psychiatrist for example who does that, and I can imagine that there are not a few who get asked by their (Swiss) patients for euthanasia, knowing their laws.

Thanks for reply,
I knew, but just wants to know is that possible or not, that's it, it's ok, thanks by the way

 

[joshdoc]

In PPeH's book it was mentioned that, In Switzerland - Assisting someone to Suicide isn't a crime (except for selfish motives), but Don't know why, Swiss Doctors weren't doing that in full scale, like assisting suicide via online consultation, etc. - May be because of their personal Ethics?, or Do they have any Organizational / statutory Restrictions? - - - Any Swiss People here who know such open minded Doctor? - - - (Because Swiss Organizations who assist people to suicide , have their own additional set of rule and regulation, and are very strict in following it)

I know about Switzerland-you have to travel there personally,fill in forms etc. plus it is really expensive(several thousand US dollars

 

[Dayrain]

I know about Switzerland-you have to travel there personally,fill in forms etc. plus it is really expensive(several thousand US dollars

That's if you go to an organization, but @Wants-To-End wanted to know if it is possible to schedule a regular appointment with a doctor there, which I think is possible but not neccessarily succesful.

 

[joshdoc]

I absolutely second you

 

[Dayrain]

@Wants-To-End Unfortunately even in Switzerland patients are not automatically entitled to this.

Don't know why, Swiss Doctors weren't doing that in full scale, like assisting suicide via online consultation, etc. - May be because of their personal Ethics?,

Yes, because they are 99% pro-lifers.

 

[befree]

I know about Switzerland-you have to travel there personally,fill in forms etc. plus it is really expensive(several thousand US dollars

Obviously you know nothing about VAD in Switzerland. What you say is wrong. You don't have to travel to Switzerland to fill in forms. You apply from your home country. Later, there will be an appointment before the VAD appointment. And if necessary, you will have to travel to a psychiatrist in Switzerland for an independent opinion. This is necessary if you have not only a physical illness, but also or only a mental illness as a reason for the VAD application. On the websites of the 6 VAD associations in Switzerland you can read why it costs CHF10.000,-, so what costs are included (costs, not profit).

 

[aGoodDayToDie]

Interesting question. I suspect it's not feasible to have an individual doctor help you die in Switzerland because otherwise the clinics there would have lower barriers to entry. There must be more laws that you're not aware of. Ones that make assisting someone with suicide harder. It might be that you can support someone who wants to kill themselves, but actually taking any step that physically enables them to do it requires certain steps or requirements to be satisfied. Why else would an organisation need to charge 10k Swiss Franks? It must be legal obligations. Things that if they don't do would risk not having fulfilled certain requirements. It might not be criminal repercussions but consequences such as fines, losing one's medical license or being put out of business. Chances are that accepting money in return for helping someone die complicates things and involves greater requirements, probably frames as being ne essay to protect people.

 

[befree]

Many people think VAD in Switzerland costs only the price of a bottle of N and the rest is profit for the association.

These are the detailed costs of an association whose name I don´t want to mention. The price is the same for almost every association.
For Swiss citizens it´s usually cheaper.

Cost of VAD

Service	Price in Swiss Francs (CHF)
TOTAL	10,000 CHF
Assessments and administration	3,000
VAD Appointment, incl. Medical Consultations	4,300
Funeral Services etc.	2,150
Post VAD Administration	550

I´m not saying it´s cheap. Not everyone can afford it. All associations have costs, just like any other company. And Switzerland is the most expensive country in Europe and one of the most expensive countries in the world. The costs for assessment and medical consultation include the cost for their lawyers and doctors.

I have helped people apply for VAD for many years. Today I don't do it anymore. The reason is not the high costs, but other reasons.
I no longer trust in the fairness of some associations because of reports from some people.

 

[Wants-To-End]

@Wants-To-End Unfortunately even in Switzerland patients are not automatically entitled to this.

Yes, because they are 99% pro-lifers.

Thanks for reply Day rain

Yes, 2 or 3 days before, even I Read in this same forum at somewhere, that Some "Switz Doctor Organizations (forget the Name exactly)" restricted the Switz Doctors to not to do this suicide service --- May be even in Switzerland suicide isn't easy as we think, who knows