Discussion Another stupid afterlife thread, because I like them :)

[may13]

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[BEATNGU]

This one used to think they remember being dead when they ctb shortly before resuscitation. However they are pretty sure it was their comprehension returning to themselves that made them believe that. Nonetheless, this boy compared it to being in a dreamless sleep but almost aware of ones physical setting purely through a somatic response. Or maybe not.

 

[Deleted member 847]

This one used to think they remember being dead when they ctb shortly before resuscitation. However they are pretty sure it was their comprehension returning to themselves that made them believe that. Nonetheless, this boy compared it to being in a dreamless sleep but almost aware of ones physical setting purely through a somatic response. Or maybe not.

Mm. That's different from my experience. My experience was second 1 I'm on the chair second 2. I'm on the floor, without knowing why, then quickly realizing that I was unconscious due to hanging. I look at my watch when I get up and I see it's been 4 minutes. 4 minutes? What. This was like blinking to me - I think to myself.
So maybe the person you're talking about wasn't "completely unconscious". Maybe it's also a method type of thing.
My brain had to be completely (I think?) shut down because of the blood vessels in the neck being compressed.
But like a user from this forum would say, I'm just a "jackass from the internet" and I haven't actually studied
medicine nor neuroscience to know what really happened to my consciousness, scientifically, when I fainted from the hanging, I can only describe my experience to you the way I felt it (If our science
even has an answer to that other than: you just fainted and stayed unconscious for minutes because of little to zero brain activity)

It really felt like time travel. I think the brain has its own clock, separated from real time. Maybe one day we'll have virtual reality games, where
we'll be able to experience time differently. You could play minecraft in VR for 30 days, but in the real world it's only been 8 hours or something.
I have no idea how that would work, but my intuition tells me that somehow it should be possible.

 

[may13]

Mm. That's different from my experience. My experience was second 1 I'm on the chair second 2. I'm on the floor, without knowing why, then quickly realizing that I was unconscious due to hanging. I look at my watch when I get up and I see it's been 4 minutes. 4 minutes? What. This was like blinking to me - I think to myself.
So maybe the person you're talking about wasn't "completely unconscious". Maybe it's also a method type of thing.
My brain had to be completely (I think?) shut down because of the blood vessels in the neck being compressed.
But like a user from this forum would say, I'm just a "jackass from the internet" and I haven't actually studied
medicine nor neuroscience to know what really happened to my consciousness, scientifically, when I fainted from the hanging, I can only describe my experience to you the way I felt it (If our science
even has an answer to that other than: you just fainted and stayed unconscious for minutes because of little to zero brain activity)

It really felt like time travel. I think the brain has its own clock, separated from real time. Maybe one day we'll have virtual reality games, where
we'll be able to experience time differently. You could play minecraft in VR for 30 days, but in the real world it's only been 8 hours or something.
I have no idea how that would work, but my intuition tells me that somehow it should be possible.
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Do you think DMT played a role in your experience?

 

[Deleted member 847]

Do you think DMT played a role in your experience?

You mean the drug that makes people see tunnels of light? No.
I don't think I was dead enough for my brain to give me that lol.
I say I stayed unconscious for 4 minutes, but honestly probably less since 4 minutes is what I saw on the watch AFTER getting up
to look at it (I was paralyzed on the floor for maybe 30 seconds, couldn't move a finger)

No I don't think it played any role in my experience, since I didn't feel anything,
No tunnels of light, nothing
It was just blinking, and then I'm on the floor for no fucking reason and my field of view vision is focused on the ceiling, and I don't know why
These were my first thoughts when I woke up, and please don't make fun of me

"Wait what.. " second 1-3 I don't yet realize what's going on. "Why am I not on the chair anymore?"
I realize what happened. I hanged myself.
"Is this the afterlife?" This is the funny part. For some reason "being in the afterlife" didn't scare me. Well this thought lasted like a second before
the panic.
"No. It looks like my room"
"OH MY GOD." I realize that I can't move my body. This is where I panic.
The next thoughts are "WHY CAN'T I MOVE MY BODY" and when the paralysis wears off
the next one is "I NEED TO CHECK my WATCH . I need to know the time to know how much brain damage I have"

Fuck. If only I didn't hang myself. It sucks to have a stammer.

Well I hope you enjoyed the anecdote and that you don't use it to ever hang yourself because if you fail you'll end up
crippled like me.

All the lucid dreams and astral projections that I've ever had, they all happened to me when my brain was very
healthy without any compressed arteries. If you're interested in the paranormal, I guessed a 3 digit code number
once when I was practicing "remote viewing / esp ". But I don't waste my time on that woo anymore.

 

[may13]

You mean the drug that makes people see tunnels of light? No.
I don't think I was dead enough for my brain to give me that lol.
I say I stayed unconscious for 4 minutes, but honestly probably less since 4 minutes is what I saw on the watch AFTER getting up
to look at it (I was paralyzed on the floor for maybe 30 seconds, couldn't move a finger)

No I don't think it played any role in my experience, since I didn't feel anything,
No tunnels of light, nothing
It was just blinking, and then I'm on the floor for no fucking reason and my field of view vision is focused on the ceiling, and I don't know why
These were my first thoughts when I woke up, and please don't make fun of me

"Wait what.. " second 1-3 I don't yet realize what's going on. "Why am I not on the chair anymore?"
I realize what happened. I hanged myself.
"Is this the afterlife?" This is the funny part. For some reason "being in the afterlife" didn't scare me. Well this thought lasted like a second before
the panic.
"No. It looks like my room"
"OH MY GOD." I realize that I can't move my body. This is where I panic.
The next thoughts are "WHY CAN'T I MOVE MY BODY" and when the paralysis wears off
the next one is "I NEED TO CHECK my WATCH . I need to know the time to know how much brain damage I have"

Fuck. If only I didn't hang myself. It sucks to have a stammer.

Well I hope you enjoyed the anecdote and that you don't use it to ever hang yourself because if you fail you'll end up
crippled like me.

All the lucid dreams and astral projections that I've ever had, they all happened to me when my brain was very
healthy without any compressed arteries. If you're interested in the paranormal, I guessed a 3 digit code number
once when I was practicing "remote viewing". But I don't waste my time on that woo anymore.

I'm terrified of hanging. I freak the fuck out if someone even touches my throat.

 

[Deleted member 847]

I'm terrified of hanging. I freak the fuck out if someone even touches my throat.

Good. But I think I'll have to do it again one day.
There's just no fucking way I'm letting myself die of old age.
Do you believe these people that say "It's peaceful to die of old age, you slowly fade away" or whatever they say.
I think these people don't know what they're talking about. How could they know. They're just seeing the old dudes, they're not
feeling their stress.
I think dying of old age is terrible. I need to avoid that at all costs.

 

[may13]

Good. But I think I'll have to do it again one day.
There's just no fucking way I'm letting myself die of old age.
Do you believe these people that say "It's peaceful to die of old age, you slowly fade away" or whatever they say.
I think these people don't know what they're talking about. How could they know. They're just seeing the old dudes, they're not
feeling their stress.
I think dying of old age is terrible. I need to avoid that at all costs.

I lost two grandparents to dementia. Even before the downward spiral that led me here (and hopefully in a week or less to the end of my story), I had no intentions of ever walking through that nightmare for myself. We romanticize dying of old age like it's some kind of miracle where the elderly just slip away quietly in their sleep dreaming of kittens and gang bangs. Nobody acknowledges that it's statistically far more likely that we'll die shitting ourselves with little to no idea who we are and/or in a tremendous amount of pain.

Good. But I think I'll have to do it again one day.

So if you don't mind me asking, why would you choose the same method? It sounds like your first experience with it was incredibly traumatic.

 

[Deleted member 847]

I lost two grandparents to dementia. Even before the downward spiral that led me here (and hopefully in a week or less to the end of my story), I had no intentions of ever walking through that nightmare for myself. We romanticize dying of old age like it's some kind of miracle where the elderly just slip away quietly in their sleep dreaming of kittens and gang bangs. Nobody acknowledges that it's statistically far more likely that we'll die shitting ourselves with little to no idea who we are and/or in a tremendous amount of pain.

Exactly.
Euthanasia should be legal everywhere even if just for this one reason.
How can they be so blind to the point of not understanding that your life
will get so painful that it will become a losing business.
Eventually most of us will want to die.
It's like these people would tell a burning man on a roof not to jump, because
the seconds, or minutes of excruciating pain left in his life are worth it or something.

How can a culture be this retarded.

I lost two grandparents to dementia. Even before the downward spiral that led me here (and hopefully in a week or less to the end of my story), I had no intentions of ever walking through that nightmare for myself. We romanticize dying of old age like it's some kind of miracle where the elderly just slip away quietly in their sleep dreaming of kittens and gang bangs. Nobody acknowledges that it's statistically far more likely that we'll die shitting ourselves with little to no idea who we are and/or in a tremendous amount of pain.

So if you don't mind me asking, why would you choose the same method? It sounds like your first experience with it was incredibly traumatic.

Surviving it was traumatic.
The hanging itself was relatively peaceful.
I played the choking game with the rope a few times before that attempt. I fucking love the feeling to be honest with you. It's very relaxing, if you
can make your ligature not hurt the skin of your neck.
What confused me was that I thought I should've still been on the chair, because I didn't intend to hang myself,
I was practicing for a future attempt.
Unfortunately it was too fast.
I stayed one extra second in the "dizzy feeling"
that's all it took to make me unconscious.

"aaaaah feeling for one two three four five six sev--- what the fuck happend to me???"

I made the rope out of towels so it was soft on my neck

Hanging is usually a method that works best for people with thin necks.

 

[may13]

Exactly.
Euthanasia should be legal everywhere even if just for this one reason.
How can they be so blind to the point of not understanding that your life
will get so painful that it will become a losing business.
Eventually most of us will want to die.
It's like these people would tell a burning man on a roof not to jump, because
the seconds, or minutes of excruciating pain left in his life are worth it or something.

How can a culture be this retarded.

Surviving it was traumatic.
The hanging itself was relatively peaceful.
I played the choking game with the rope a few times before that attempt. I fucking love the feeling to be honest with you. It's very relaxing, if you
can make your ligature not hurt the skin of your neck.
What confused me was that I thought I should've still been on the chair, because I didn't intend to hang myself,
I was practicing for a future attempt.
Unfortunately it was too fast.
I stayed one extra second in the "dizzy feeling"
that's all it took to make me unconscious.

"aaaaah feeling for one two three four five six sev--- what the fuck happend to me???"

I made the rope out of towels so it was soft on my neck

Thank you for explaining. I was afraid it was an insensitive question, and I almost deleted it.

 

[Deleted member 847]

Thank you for explaining. I was afraid it was an insensitive question, and I almost deleted it.

It was four years ago.
I couldn't care less.
I've accepted my stammer.

I think I got off easy. I could've been paralyzed.
Having social anxiety means that you don't have much use for "Talking properly" anyway,
because if you have social anxiety you rarely talk to people

I can't be lawyer, teacher or whatever job that requires you to talk to people all the time anymore, but who cares
I can still talk, it's just that I have to wait a few seconds before saying the word from time to time.
Sometimes I can talk just fine for 10 minutes straight before the "pause" If I get lucky.
It's not a big deal to me.
Maybe I'm saying that because I haven't had my first job interview yet
It could be a big deal to employers, I dunno

 

[BEATNGU]

Mm. That's different from my experience. My experience was second 1 I'm on the chair second 2. I'm on the floor, without knowing why, then quickly realizing that I was unconscious due to hanging. I look at my watch when I get up and I see it's been 4 minutes. 4 minutes? What. This was like blinking to me - I think to myself.
So maybe the person you're talking about wasn't "completely unconscious". Maybe it's also a method type of thing.
My brain had to be completely (I think?) shut down because of the blood vessels in the neck being compressed.
But like a user from this forum would say, I'm just a "jackass from the internet" and I haven't actually studied
medicine nor neuroscience to know what really happened to my consciousness, scientifically, when I fainted from the hanging, I can only describe my experience to you the way I felt it (If our science
even has an answer to that other than: you just fainted and stayed unconscious for minutes because of little to zero brain activity)

It really felt like time travel. I think the brain has its own clock, separated from real time. Maybe one day we'll have virtual reality games, where
we'll be able to experience time differently. You could play minecraft in VR for 30 days, but in the real world it's only been 8 hours or something.
I have no idea how that would work, but my intuition tells me that somehow it should be possible.
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The time skip you speak of is more reminiscent to when the boy had their amnesiac skip of nine years. Went from watching youtube to waking up in a hospital bed in the delayed blink of an eye it seemed.

 

[Deleted member 847]

The time skip you speak of is more reminiscent to when the boy had their amnesiac skip of nine years. Went from watching youtube to waking up in a hospital bed in the delayed blink of an eye it seemed.

So one second he's in a place, the next second he's in some other place.
And it's been 9 years, but to him it's only been a second.
Is that what happened?

How did he react to that?
Was he scared, confused or what?
Did he believe them when they told him that he had just skipped 9 years of his life?

God. imagine "" waking up"" one day, you're not even in your house anymore,
and some strangers tell you it's 2032.

Surreal.

Literally time travel.

 

[BEATNGU]

So one second he's in a place, the next second he's in some other place.
And it's been 9 years, but to him it's only been a second.
Is that what happened?

How did he react to that?
Was he scared, confused or what?
Did he believe them when they told him that he had just skipped 9 years of his life?

God. imagine "" waking up"" one day, you're not even in your house anymore,
and some strangers tell you it's 2032.

Surreal.

Literally time travel.

The boy will live. That is all he can do.

 

[Deleted member 847]

The boy will live. That is all he can do.

I see.
Sorry.

 

[Judy Garland]

None of you want to know the truth. None of you.

 

[Deleted member 847]

None of you want to know the truth. None of you.

your reverse psychology worked
tell us now the ""truth"" :)

@Judy Garland Pleaseeee

 

[may13]

None of you want to know the truth. None of you.

I do, but I suspect that truth is nothingness. So despite wondering, I can't experience the absence of experience.

 

[Deleted member 847]

I do, but I suspect that truth is nothingness. So despite wondering, I can't experience the absence of experience.

I think the truth is usually something random that doesn't give a damn about our feelings
Hopefully we just die and this abomination called existence ends
I mean life is literally just a cheese chasing game/maze, and we're the mices in it. It has no meaning, and that's because it couldn't possibly have one
It's just a xerox machine trying to survive the environment and the competition (other xerox machines that want to eat it)
Life is like a repetitive video game, with boring missions
You wake up, you solve problems, you go to sleep
the next day some other problem appears that interrupts your peace, you have to solve that problem to get back into
the comfortable state that you were in before the problem
You don't solve the problems, your life gets worse, that makes you "want" to solve your problems
It's the same game we've played for millions of years
it's just war, conflicts, problems, parasitism, exploitation, boredom
singing and dancing, competition "I'm better than you, I get the resources and you don't" bullshit
it's all so repetitive
we could really use some "eternal nonexistence"

 

[may13]

we could really use some "eternal nonexistence"

Yes please.

 

[Deleted member 847]

@Judy Garland Don't make us wait too long
We want to hear your gospel

We do want to hear it judy.

 

[Judy Garland]

@Judy Garland Don't make us wait too long
We want to hear your gospel

your reverse psychology worked
tell us now the ""truth"" :)

@Judy Garland Pleaseeee

You have already judged what I haven't even said as false by mocking me and putting the word, Truth in quotes. I have nothing to say to you. But you are clueless and you WANT TO BE.

 

[Deleted member 847]

You have already judged what I haven't even said as false by mocking me and putting the word, "truth" in quotes. I have nothing to say to you. But you are clueless and you WANT TO BE.

I'm sorry.
I'm really curious though,
what's on your mind?
I must have incidentally smashed my head on the keyboard which lead to me putting the word truth between quote punctuation
I really do want to hear your gospel, but if you think I'm not worthy of it
Is there anything I can do to make you change your mind?
Maybe a paypal donation?

Is the truth "eternal hell fire" ? sorry, it was my head again
maybe the truth is that we all get our private dimension in the astral afterlife after meeting our spirit guide angels

 

[Deleted member 847]

Why can't it be? I mean it doesn't have to be magic but why can't it just be the output function of system complexity?

I'm not sure. It's possible. The second law of thermodynamics shapes our perception of time. It's equally possible that *our falling asleep tonight and every night thereafter already happened. We perceive time through entropy. It's a very limited experience.

Edit: I write like a 4 year old sometimes…

Isn't time and entropy the same thing? When things in the universe move, that's time, is it not?
Time is what we call ""things"" in the universe that are slower than ""instantaneous"".
Let's say that you remove all subatomic particles from the universe (I know it's impossible, just play along)
There is only a vacuum, everywhere
If the universe is infinite, you don't have any matter and energy in that infinite space
If there are other universes, you remove all matter and energy (dark matter, dark energy, you remove anything that could possibly exist in them that isn't empty space) from them too
do you still have time?
I'm just trying to understand what do you mean when you say "the night already happened" if I didn't misread your post.
The night only happens when you're in it and you're living it. It can't have already happened if it hasn't happened.
I mean things in the universe don't move until they actually move, and you're a part of the universe.
Do you mean that there are parallel universes that already have the "Tomorrow" of our universe?
But they're still separate from our universe, right? So our tomorrow still hasn't happened.

 

[Alex6216]

There is no reincarnation. Why would elites want to kill us off and depopulate the world, if we're just going to respawn

If the elite want to kill us and depopulate the planet why do they make guns illegal (Assuming these elites rule Europe + UK + Australia as well), why did they make Nembutal illegal, why do they fund suicide hotlines and force the suicidal into loony bins

 

[lostmyacc]

If the elite want to kill us and depopulate the planet why do they make guns illegal (Assuming these elites rule Europe + UK + Australia as well), why did they make Nembutal illegal, why do they fund suicide hotlines and force the suicidal into loony bins

You have to weigh it up with law and order, if Europe had guns like usa did, the countries would be unmanageable. Nembutal would only kill off a fringe amount of people if it was legal, the hanging deaths would just be replaced by Nembutal deaths. Your argument makes no sense. That wouldn't even wipe out 1% of the population

 

[may13]

Isn't time and entropy the same thing? When things in the universe move, that's time, is it not?

Not really. We perceive an arrow of time through our observation of entropy. Or perhaps more accurately, entropy imposes an arrow of time on our observations. So when things in the universe "move" (or entropy increases), our observations of that movement can be said to have occurred over a passage of time, or perhaps more specifically over the passage of time from the perspective of the observer. Remember that Einstein's special relativity has shown us that time is in fact relative. So depending on our relative motions, our perception of that movement may vary greatly.

Time is what we call ""things"" in the universe that are slower than ""instantaneous"".

"Time" is an intrinsic part of space. "Events" are what we observe. These events occur at "a place in time", much like they occur at "a place in space".

Let's say that you remove all subatomic particles from the universe (I know it's impossible, just play along). There is only a vacuum, everywhere
If the universe is infinite, you don't have any matter and energy in that infinite space
If there are other universes, you remove all matter and energy (dark matter, dark energy, you remove anything that could possibly exist in them that isn't empty space) from them too
do you still have time?

No. Coincidentally you also don't have "space" in that scenario.

I'm just trying to understand what do you mean when you say "the night already happened" if I didn't misread your post.

Time is simultaneous (as opposed to linear) and it exists entirely independent of our observation. Every moment in time exists already, much like all of space exists already. They are the same thing.

The night only happens when you're in it and you're living it. It can't have already happened if it hasn't happened.
I mean things in the universe don't move until they actually move, and you're a part of the universe.
Do you mean that there are parallel universes that already have the "Tomorrow" of our universe?
But they're still separate from our universe, right? So our tomorrow still hasn't happened.

Our tomorrow hasn't been observed yet. But it already exists. Think of spacetime like this:

 

[Alex6216]

You have to weigh it up with law and order, if Europe had guns like usa did, the countries would be unmanageable. Nembutal would only kill off a fringe amount of people if it was legal, the hanging deaths would just be replaced by Nembutal deaths. Your argument makes no sense. That wouldn't even wipe out 1% of the population

If Nembutal was legal and cheap there would way more suicides, if partial hanging worked I would've been dead by now but i'm not dead. Fear and pain-aversion is stronger than will to die for a lot of people which is why they dont just jump off a tall building, compress their jugular veins or stick their head on train tracks, some people dont even have access to tall buildings or train tracks. Even if you are right and only <1% of the population would die via suicide if N was legal that still would be more people dying than if it wasnt illegal, I am asking why they made it illegal in the first place because they only done so to curb accidental overdoses and suicides but if 'they' want to depopulate the world shouldnt they be trying to keep everything deadly accessible to the general public to maximise deaths as much as possible?

 

[Deleted member 847]

Not really. We perceive an arrow of time through our observation of entropy. Or perhaps more accurately, entropy imposes an arrow of time on our observations. So when things in the universe "move" (or entropy increases), our observations of that movement can be said to have occurred over a passage of time, or perhaps more specifically over the passage of time from the perspective of the observer. Remember that Einstein's special relativity has shown us that time is in fact relative. So depending on our relative motions, our perception of that movement may vary greatly.

"Time" is an intrinsic part of space. "Events" are what we observe. These events occur at "a place in time", much like they occur at "a place in space".


No. Coincidentally you also don't have "space" in that scenario.


Time is simultaneous (as opposed to linear) and it exists entirely independent of our observation. Every moment in time exists already, much like all of space exists already. They are the same thing.

Our tomorrow hasn't been observed yet. But it already exists. Think of spacetime like this:
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I knew that space and time were related (if you go to another galaxy, when you return to earth the earth is gone)
I know my knowledge of physics is basically nonexistent compared to Einstein's, I'm just going with my common sense
but if what you say is true, and time isn't linear, it only looks "linear"
then shouldn't we all be dead right now since everything has already happened. How can that future that
has already happened be separated from the present that I'm feeling right now with my senses

I'm going to make one last attempt to prove my point that time could be linear, but I have to break the laws
of physics again with it (Sorry)

Andromeda is 2,500,000+ light years away from Earth, correct? that means we see it how it looked 2 million and half years ago
But what if we had a camera there, that communicated with us by the use of some magical "bridge" that we've built between the galaxies. It takes
the bandwidth less than a second to give us pictures of Andromeda. So we would actually be able to see Andromeda
the way it looks in the present (take away a second maybe).

If time has already happened then why am I writing this. Corpses shouldn't be able to write anything. If the guy on the Andromeda writes something
on his computer, when we look at the camera we both wrote at the same time, didn't we?

 

[Smart No More]

If Nembutal was legal and cheap there would way more suicides, if partial hanging worked I would've been dead by now but i'm not dead. Fear and pain-aversion is stronger than will to die for a lot of people which is why they dont just jump off a tall building, compress their jugular veins or stick their head on train tracks, some people dont even have access to tall buildings or train tracks. Even if you are right and only <1% of the population would die via suicide if N was legal that still would be more people dying than if it wasnt illegal, I am asking why they made it illegal in the first place because they only done so to curb accidental overdoses and suicides but if 'they' want to depopulate the world shouldnt they be trying to keep everything deadly accessible to the general public to maximise deaths as much as possible?

Well that's the thing isn't it? "They" is such a general term and is way too open to interpretation. The "they" involved in decisions to discontinue N production/use were people trying to cover their arses from law suits whilst replacing their income flow by using a replacement compound (bebzodiazapines). Pharmaceutical companies and prescribers. Not the "they" in positions of power and influence. Though that "they" could of course influence the pharmaceutical companies they're probably more interested in taking kick backs. I suppose they could do both but it's conjecture. These conspiracies are much more complex and would need to involve the illusion of care at ground level. Not that I'm saying the conspiracy is in effect or even true. Just that mechanics of manipulation would involve subterfuge and plausible deniability, being much less transparent than that.

I agree there would be many more suicides and deaths as a result of cheap, legal and accessible N. There'd be fewer failed attempts for one and many murders using N. Then there's those, as you point out, who can't bring themselves to do it in the more painful and challenging ways. I mean look at all the cases with SN now. There's been quite a snowball effect there. Not that I personally consider it a peaceful method but it is cheap, 'legal' and relatively accessible. That appears to be changing as a result of said increase in numbers.