First off, thank you for replying in a civil manner; I'm truly grateful. Now Hopefully, you take the time to read and reply to this. It may go against the grain, but please bear with me.
I don't know what "claim" of mine you are referring to here but if it's about his pyramid scheme the business model is fairly straightforward and staring all of us in the face so I don't know what you want verified. You buy the product that entails being encouraged to post clips of him so you get a cut out of selling it to others.¹ A business model he himself admitted was a "total scam".²
I've heard both sides of the story, and I'm unsure what to make of it yet. Though if it's a pyramid scheme, it is a bit of a scummy thing to do, but also kinda tactical... Though I believe that was what lead to him being cancelled with the clips being altered in ways that screwed up his message, which was probably not the smartest move on his part.
If you are on about his current human trafficking situation...I mean... the guy has literally bragged about using the loverboy method whilst promoting his schemes on his own website:
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Call me dense, but the "loverboy" is kinda new to me. Maybe his actions were manipulative, and I can't say I condone that, but I believe it's not half as severe as having to use coercion on women. And the way he phrases it, I'm not exactly sure if he's even aware that it's not quite a moral thing to do, especially on the "get rich together part".
Besides, he's said it himself:
"Submission, loyalty, admiration and love cannot be bought, it cannot be forced, and it's not luck." And I stumbled upon a click bait of his supposed "release", watching an interview of saying otherwise.
For sure. It is not a 'maybe'; alienation is suffered everywhere, man, woman, child. And whilst masculinity isn't a singularity, it is not a serious position to believe there is more than a small fringe of people who are calling for it to be "rejected" let alone constantly. A bad life has many sources but if someone feels it is a detachment from their masculinity that is most central to their problems then I – like I think everyone is – am not opposed to analysing what it is that you want to improve.
I'll respectfully disagree with you on the masculinity crisis, as while I don't experience it too often, I often see a whole lot of misandry, even on here. But taking a step back, r/MGTOW, r/incelswithOUThate, among other communities, yet places like r/femaledatingstrategy that have a strong hatred for men with the "kill all men" is allowed to remain. And before anyone calls me a misogynist, I'm not; I get along better with women than I do men... or, I find them easier to talk to, I work in a sewing department with women instead of doing that heavy labor, and I tend to display a whole bunch of feminine traits... But I believe that instead of rejecting it outright, it should simply be modulated.
Maybe I'm wrong and the ones who are against masculinity are the vocal minorities, but... that is almost all I see these days.
If you needed him to help build that mindset (which I presume is confidence?), then good for you. However, there is a wealth of self help out there and, with all due respect, these are hardly earth shattering revelations no other person has come out and encouraged someone of doing. I am sure pretty awful brother/father figures out there have still managed to enrich their brother/sons with the confidence to ask people out.
The thing that made him stand out from many others was that he gives the "blackpill" on how dating works, and to iterate, it goes back to the point I made above. When it comes to dating, I've seen how things are, and I used to think being nice was a way to get girls, or make friends and all, and that looks aren't everything. But time and again, I was proven wrong. Yet, people would keep perpetuating the whole lie that this works like a Disney movie.
And not only that, he says it in a way that pisses you off so much that you decide to say "FUCK YOU! I'M NOT WEAK! IMMA BE ON TOP!" and actually take action into improving your life and getting what you want. Of course, I've cultivated a mindset similar to his over the past six years of working on my suicide project. Though, I guess that goes up to what I took from him above. I had no boundaries, so the women I've met online would use me. But now, I know when to walk away.
And that is why I intend to stick to my word and better myself, before I decide to get with her. She's a rare exception; pure.
There are plenty of great people out there to look up to, not a narcissist grifter who anyone aware of British pop culture has seem him try for years to become.
The thing about narcissists, is that their confidence and pride is unfounded. Tate seems to have put himself through a whole lot to get to where he was, which I can't say I'm as capable of that, especially with them starting off as poor. And upon being famous, he still hasn't changed his character. And also, according to the interviewers who run podcasts, he's nicer off camera. The whole macho-alpha male is more like a character he puts up, though he means everything he says.
He's been saying whatever (often contradictory, opposing things) that would make him become the next big reactionary like Tommy Robinson, Paul Joseph Watson, and so on before him. He's been saying outlandish things for years just to see what sticks and gets him well known enough to plug his schemes and fulfill his desire for attention (the man went on Big Brother ffs). He correctly identifies obvious antagonisms in life to pull people into, the very least, defending his brand, or even buying into him.² Like how your "kinda" "no longer an incel" implies your own sympathies, you are a target audience that he is prying on.
Maybe so, but you'll be shocked to know that even incels hate him for the most part.
Regarding myself, I kinda question if I were ever truly incel, but then again, it's as I've said before... People who have a strong hate for them are often unhappy with their lives and are unable to self-reflect or take accountability with their actions. I see it a lot when people just actively search for reasons to have beef with someone, despite the subject being innocuous. And I could've easily been one of those individuals, but I guess I'm simply lucky to have had a catalyst take place at work, so when a female supervisor gave me some words of wisdom when I was having a mental breakdown, and to have a keen desire to look deep into things beyond the surface.
The manosphere stuff has finally stuck for him this year. This guy like all grifters have no beliefs or principles except playing a character. His biggest downfall will be his narcissistic inability to shut the fuck up as is already evidenced by how he is a big enough dumbass to bring this much attention to himself whilst literally being in business with the Romanian Mafia. It is the same as Elon Musk and his biggest problem being his constant need to be liked. And likewise he too has an army who see Elon Musk as the saviour of good forces in the world. There is no greater advert for a humanities degree than seeing Andrew Tate and Elon Musk dick riders – people who seriously use dialogue like "the matrix".
Am I a dick-rider for believing in free speech and fair trial?
Maybe it is all an act, who knows? Everyone who's met him in person, and been with him, had him in their podcast says he's genuine. Even the women. It takes a great deal of energy to live a lie.
I believe some of what he says is true, whether you like it or not. And when it comes to the "Matrix", while it is perhaps a bit of a stretch, I do find that there's a whole lot wrong with the system.
Having said that, he really was foolish for poking the bear the way he did, but in all his podcasts, he seemed to have known what's coming, so... I guess he's prepared.
Of course, while I'm glad that Elon unbanned people who were cancelled, I'm not sure how I feel about microchips.
This is ironic because he makes me want to blow my brains out thanks to his army of teenagers who have bought into his pyramid scheme and have their tentacles smothering every corner of every remotely political algorithm on the internet.
I get what you mean... I find it cringe when they say "TOP G" and all that shit, calling women bitches and all that, but dumbasses will be dumbasses, and tend to dick around calling people the N-word constantly. I won't say it's necessarily his fault; the dude's just abrasive in nature. But... fortunately, they're just the vocal minority, and also... as much as we both hate the saying: "it is what it is."
Again, I don't know what story you are referring to here. I don't dispute he has probably had that sort of "your vids helped me get through a tough time bro" that – to disagree with "unlike many influences" – I see every single influencer under the sun talk about. Beyond that you will have to inform me.
Totally. Check these out if you have the patience.
The thing to all this though, is that it is the opposite to helping you or I. He makes masculinity worse for all of us.
I would recommend The will to change by bell hooks as a must read that addresses this.³ A genuine "self-help" book on masculinity.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...-scheme-for-fans-of-extreme-misogynist-closes
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https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/andrew-tate-tiktok-fame-men-2022
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http://library.lol/main/70dac0ed0fab9ce1f7ab3ce2bb070784
Thanks! I'll take a look at the book. I'm actually reading a whole lot these days. Though... haha...
I'm actually kinda writing my own self-help story I'll share on here eventually before I wither get banned or leave this site on my own.
Though I've seen the articles... but you're gonna want to shoot me for this, but definitely check out the videos and investigate. Each and every mainstream news article has the exact same narrative, calling him a misogynist and all that.
And tiktoks aren't always reliable, especially with the pyramid scheme that pays people to edit the clips in ways that makes it seem out of context.
Hopefully I didn't spend hours typing this all for nothing; I really enjoy having conversations.
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