Discussion Alcohol and SI.

[weird_place777]

In your experience, how does alcohol (getting drunk) affect SI? Thinking about using this for hanging since I can easily imagine an indoor attempt being ruined by SI and I can't get access to drugs like benzos so I'm wondering if alcohol would make things go smoother. The effects of alcohol set in quickly, definitely faster than many benzos which seem to take a while to reach their peak. It sounds convenient only needing a rope and a bottle of liquor to quickly commit the act whenever it's desired and I would love not having to worry about SI jeopardizing the attempt.

 

[mustard tiger]

in my experience it lowers SI, but also lowers motivation to actually CTB

 

[weird_place777]

in my experience it lowers SI, but also lowers motivation to actually CTB

What experience are you speaking from? And speaking from your experience, do you think being blackout wasted would fix SI for full-suspension hanging?

 

[hurts2b]

In your experience, how does alcohol (getting drunk) affect SI? Thinking about using this for hanging since I can easily imagine an indoor attempt being ruined by SI and I can't get access to drugs like benzos so I'm wondering if alcohol would make things go smoother. The effects of alcohol set in quickly, definitely faster than many benzos which seem to take a while to reach their peak. It sounds convenient only needing a rope and a bottle of liquor to quickly commit the act whenever it's desired and I would love not having to worry about SI jeopardizing the attempt.

Doesn't work. Tried more than once (not hanging specifically, but had/still have a bridge in mind). Alcohol leads to laziness. Or sometimes even a feeling that everything is okay and that I don't have to die at all.

On alcohol there's also what I call "replacement anxiety" which is like a feeling of dread, that's different from both sadness and anxiousness but that inhibits action in a very similar way.

And frankly? Using alcohol while you're suicidal can fast track you to alcoholism. Since it can very quickly turn into a feedback loop of:

Suicidal feelings -> Alcohol to act on those feelings/lower inhibitions -> Euphoria or numbness -> Worsened suicidal and depressed feelings once sober

Nobody wants to face death, sober or otherwise. Dying, as a process, is hell. Especially when it happens slowly.

Save yourself the trouble (and the liver damage) and don't try to chemically shortcut your way out of having a survival instinct. It's a loosing battle. Always.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

Alcohol can help. What I've come to realize is that overcoming the SI is a matter of will. It's the final boss on the CTB journey. It's me vs. me. You vs. you. It will do everything it can to avert your intentions, even when you're dead-ass about it. You're fighting against millions of years of evolution. Therefore, it's going to take a set of balls to do it. A last "fuck it" moment. That one last push of madness where you just physically force yourself to do it. Pull the trigger. Jump. Swallow the pill. There's one last spark of pure adrenaline that you must manually induce to beat the SI. You're never going to overcome it.

Alcohol and drugs can weaken it, but they also come with effects that weaken your will and desire to do it. It's a true test to see how serious we are. YES! It's going to hurt. YES! Your body will be found in an unsettling way. NO! You're not going to leave a "Twilight" looking corpse behind. YES! If you have actual loved ones who love you back, it will devastate them. This is the price you must be willing to pay. A thought that helps me is thinking about all the people who have caught the bus. They went through the exact same struggle internally. I think that they must've just pushed past it all and forced themselves to do it. And if they can do it, then so can I.

 

[weird_place777]

When it comes to hanging, SI could potentially be rendered useless with zip-ties. I've worried about the possibility of "fighting back" against the hanging by reaching behind the head and pulling on the rope to take tension off the neck, which could easily be averted by physically restraining the hands behind the back. Hanging from a noose, dangling mid-air, with hands tied behind the back: I cannot imagine a way that SI could sabotage that attempt. But it could definitely prevent someone from making that jump to begin with.

Overcoming SI is not just a matter of being ready to die or not. It's a matter of bodily control. Even if someone is dead-set on suicide, with zero doubt in their mind, physically overcoming the body's instincts that fight back against you can feel impossible, regardless of someone's determination. It literally feels like trying to control a body that has a mind of its own.

Anyone can buy alcohol, anything readily available in stores isn't going to kill you, or seriously alter your mental state. Maybe hardcore drugs would get the job done. They're addictive because they work.

Alcohol can help. What I've come to realize is that overcoming the SI is a matter of will. It's the final boss on the CTB journey. It's me vs. me. You vs. you. It will do everything it can to avert your intentions, even when you're dead-ass about it. You're fighting against millions of years of evolution. Therefore, it's going to take a set of balls to do it. A last "fuck it" moment. That one last push of madness where you just physically force yourself to do it. Pull the trigger. Jump. Swallow the pill. There's one last spark of pure adrenaline that you must manually induce to beat the SI. You're never going to overcome it.

Alcohol and drugs can weaken it, but they also come with effects that weaken your will and desire to do it. It's a true test to see how serious we are. YES! It's going to hurt. YES! Your body will be found in an unsettling way. NO! You're not going to leave a "Twilight" looking corpse behind. YES! If you have actual loved ones who love you back, it will devastate them. This is the price you must be willing to pay. A thought that helps me is thinking about all the people who have caught the bus. They went through the exact same struggle internally. I think that they must've just pushed past it all and forced themselves to do it. And if they can do it, then so can I.

It certainly is the "final boss" of the CTB journey, and when you say: "I can imagine a better world than God can create", I definitely agree with you!

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

When it comes to hanging, SI could potentially be rendered useless with zip-ties. I've worried about the possibility of "fighting back" against the hanging by reaching behind the head and pulling on the rope to take tension off the neck, which could easily be averted by physically restraining the hands behind the back. Hanging from a noose, dangling mid-air, with hands tied behind the back: I cannot imagine a way that SI could sabotage that attempt. But it could definitely prevent someone from making that jump to begin with.

People have definitely done this, restrained their hands pre-hanging. It's possible to set up a situation where you're stuck in it no matter how much it hurts. My problem with hanging is the pain. I want to be able to back out--which means I always back out. It takes some serious decisiveness to pull off this method. Which is why I'm amazed that so many celebs pull off partial. Is there really an easy way? Just leaning into it, fully able to abort?