Afterlife proof?

[Malice1]

"randomly from Google", yeah. FYI, New Scientist, Nature and Biology Letters are the most reputable sources around, and most importantly they do not make claims based on 3 cherry picked arguments mashed up to get to absolutely no conclusion.
We already have explained how a physical structure for our brain is necessary to kickstart the whole cognitive process, and how the minimum damage can lead somebody to be a wholly different person from what he/she was. But hey, we should have absolutely at all costs people with dementia, newborns who prematurely die and basically everybody on Earth to pop up from their cranium their brain functions to enjoy playing with the consciousness of deceased dinosaurs in the afterlife



lol, still confusing technological innovations with actual biology. I'll pass

But whatever, I'll let people enjoy their trillion years lifespan floating around Canis Maioris.
Ad maiora, as they say

Yeah, thats what we currently know about the brain. We dont know everything thats why were still studying it. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt by approaching it from a scientific standpoint but i could have easily have said that a god created an afterlife. You would then have to disprove this because of your 100% claim and if you couldn't (which im sure you cant) then your percentage would have to drop a few points.

Anyway i dont care now. Ill ctb with N and find out for myself.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah, thats what we currently know about the brain. We dont know everything thats why were still studying it. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt by approaching it from a scientific standpoint but i could have easily have said that a god created an afterlife. You would then have to disprove this because of your 100% claim and if you couldn't (which im sure you cant) then your percentage would have to drop a few points.

Anyway i dont care now. Ill ctb with N and find out for myself.

That was funny

You nail him every time and he still misses the point

 

[dangier_to_myself]

The contradiction of it too is amusing, is it not? "We can't know anything, so you can't saying anything for sure, but I can definitively know anything is possible... because I say so" lol

Yes, and I've already explained why our brain is not capable of supporting it. Just like our stomach, after death, is unable to digest a whole meal.

You all just keep pushing your personal wishes over and over again. I have nothing else to say than "please give an afterlife even to crocodiles and reptiles who died in the Cenozoic era to play Mario Kart Advance with insects and the Denisovian men forever", what else do you want from me. Peace

You don't seem to understand what "100% impossible" means. Nothing can be 100% impossible, except for a contradiction

 

[TheStartOfEnding]

My biggest fear is something like this being true

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_individualism

I hope any experience i can have cease immdediately after death, not just as that individual but as any possible type of consciousness.

 

[Fylobatica]

You don't seem to understand what "100% impossible" means. Nothing can be 100% impossible, except for a contradiction

Yeah I am 100% unsure that I am not a 4k plasma screen able to broadcast Rick And Morty

 

[Fylobatica]

[quite the opposite, because you all don't seem to understand that the research does not contemplate further proofs, rather investigate how our brain evolved millions of years ago starting from single celled organisms and then reptilians

if you want a heaven for mosquitos, chickens and dinosaurs better make a game about it

That was funny

You nail him every time and he still misses the point

 

[Lisa]

[quite the opposite, because you all don't seem to understand that the research does not contemplate further proofs, rather investigate how our brain evolved millions of years ago starting from single celled organisms and then reptilians

if you want a heaven for mosquitos, chickens and dinosaurs better make a game about it

You're still confused

 

[Fylobatica]

not at all, I don't make false assumptions basing them on logical fallacies and ad personam

 

[DeathIsTheSolution]

I truly hope there is no afterlife. I'm not scared of ending my life because I believe there's nothing after death. If there is an afterlife, I'll burn in hell for eternity. I'll find out soon anyway.

The universe is really weird when you think about it though. Maybe there is something, but I just don't believe in god in a traditional sense. Maybe we become reborn as another life form somewhere in the universe (even earth) but we won't be aware of our previous life at all because we don't exist as that person anymore. Essentially made up of different atoms. Am I making sense?

 

[Lisa]

I truly hope there is no afterlife. I'm not scared of ending my life because I believe there's nothing after death. If there is an afterlife, I'll burn in hell for eternity. I'll find out soon anyway.

The universe is really weird when you think about it though. Maybe there is something, but I just don't believe in god in a traditional sense. Maybe we become reborn as another life form somewhere in the universe (even earth) but we won't be aware of our previous life at all because we don't exist as that person anymore. Essentially made up of different atoms. Am I making sense?

Yes that makes sense

Anything can happen

I know it is scary because we just don't know

 

[maktubler]

Are you saying that the very nature of evolution deems the continuity of life impossible? Isn't that backwards? Even if brains didn't survive death in the past or present, the fact that they evolve continuously would mean that in the future they would. But that's just going with your theory that our brains are what would continue to exist and not consciousness as it's own entity. It's our consciousness that continues. Not our brains.

It seems to me that if we could conjure up something like the cloud where our files can exist floating around on the internet separate from the computer then consciousness would be infinitely more complex. The idea of your essential make up being uploaded and then downloaded somewhere else in some other reality seems fairly plausible. The mechanism for how this would work is also simple. If consciousness is responsible for creating reality then where consciousness exists, so does reality. The quality of reality can vary bringing into to play the notion of different dimensions. The idea of heaven may be all in our minds and may be all an individual construct. Meaning that each of us will experience a reality we created for ourselves after we die. So heaven or hell depends on the quality of the consciousness in question. What do you think?

 

[maktubler]

It seems to me that if we could conjure up something like the cloud where our files can exist floating around on the internet separate from the computer then consciousness would be infinitely more complex. The idea of your essential make up being uploaded and then downloaded somewhere else in some other reality seems fairly plausible. The mechanism for how this would work is also simple. If consciousness is responsible for creating reality then where consciousness exists, so does reality. The quality of reality can vary bringing into to play the notion of different dimensions. The idea of heaven may be all in our minds and may be all an individual construct. Meaning that each of us will experience a reality we created for ourselves after we die. So heaven or hell depends on the quality of the consciousness in question. What do you think?

 

[dangier_to_myself]

Yeah I am 100% unsure that I am not a 4k plasma screen able to broadcast Rick And Morty

Dude, "100% unsure" isn't even a meaningful phrase. Do you actually know anything about probability?

 

[dangier_to_myself]

Fylobatica, several people here have brought up another interesting point: rebirth.Since rebirth does not depend on surviving without a brain, I wonder how you intend to rule out that one

 

[Lisa]

It seems to me that if we could conjure up something like the cloud where our files can exist floating around on the internet separate from the computer then consciousness would be infinitely more complex. The idea of your essential make up being uploaded and then downloaded somewhere else in some other reality seems fairly plausible. The mechanism for how this would work is also simple. If consciousness is responsible for creating reality then where consciousness exists, so does reality. The quality of reality can vary bringing into to play the notion of different dimensions. The idea of heaven may be all in our minds and may be all an individual construct. Meaning that each of us will experience a reality we created for ourselves after we die. So heaven or hell depends on the quality of the consciousness in question. What do you think?

That's perfect and directly in line with everything I've studied sand researched on the topic.

What do you think about this experience here? Is it in our minds as well? I mean will "Heaven" feel physical like this?

 

[TheStartOfEnding]

I truly hope there is no afterlife. I'm not scared of ending my life because I believe there's nothing after death. If there is an afterlife, I'll burn in hell for eternity. I'll find out soon anyway.

You seem to make the false assumption that there is "Either a religious afterlife like the one described in religion/nothing"

This assumption is religious in itself.

There is absolutely no reason to suppose that there is an afterlife, and even if one wants to be agnostic, true agnosticism implies that the possibility of there being an afterlife where we all play soccer for eternity or an afterlife controled by a god who hate religious people and love only blonde guys, or an afterlife controled by aliens who will send vegans to heaven and all the rest to hell, or an afterlife where there is no heaven nor hell + trillion other possibilities is the same as that of monotheistic hell/heaven if not even superior, because while we have no elements to judge those scenarios i described, we do have some elements by which to judge monotheist books : Badly written books full of inconsistencies and unconvincing stories and describing a very humanlike entity not indicative of a superior entity, why does the afterlife described in religion have more credence that all the scenarios i just described ? because it's communicated in a book that was written 2000 years ago ? But from where came the assumption that a god if he existed gives a shit about communicating anything in a book ?

Sure there is absolutely no way to prove the christian god doesn't exist, there is also no way to prove that a god called Frtuhuhuhuhuhuu who hate religious people and will only send suicidal atheists to heaven doesn't exist, so why do pseudo-agnostics lends some posssibility to one scenario but not the other ?

"We can never know", is not the same as "We can never know, it's either nothing or the christian/muslim/buddhist god", that's not being agnostic, that's being a religious agnostic.

 

[TheStartOfEnding]

It seems to me that if we could conjure up something like the cloud where our files can exist floating around on the internet separate from the computer then consciousness would be infinitely more complex. The idea of your essential make up being uploaded and then downloaded somewhere else in some other reality seems fairly plausible. The mechanism for how this would work is also simple. If consciousness is responsible for creating reality then where consciousness exists, so does reality. The quality of reality can vary bringing into to play the notion of different dimensions. The idea of heaven may be all in our minds and may be all an individual construct. Meaning that each of us will experience a reality we created for ourselves after we die. So heaven or hell depends on the quality of the consciousness in question. What do you think?

Comparing files to consciousness doesn't strike me as convincing. There is a subjectivety to consciousness that file don't have, this is what characterises consciousness, you can't just take away the main characteristics and assumes it leaves your allegory unscathed.

There is something as the hard problem of consciousness, there is no such thing as the hard problem of files.

We still don't know much about consciousness, so i don't see how anyone can reach those kind of conclusions, personally i think we will never know if cloning the brain structure will lead to death of the first person/creation of a new person or a transfer of consciousness, since the result will always look the same.

 

[maktubler]

That's perfect and directly in line with everything I've studied sand researched on the topic.

What do you think about this experience here? Is it in our minds as well? I mean will "Heaven" feel physical like this?

Yeah I do think this is some kind of anchor program. I think we are experiencing other realities simultaneously but are somehow anchored to this one. Probably because of some pre-life contract or agreement. I think thats why we have dreams but always wake up here. I tend to have have a lot of vivid dreams. Several a night and all of them feel just as real as this reality. Who is to say I am not sharing my time. We are definitely constructing this experience in our minds. Its only as real as we choose to believe it is. Perception is everything. Schizophrenia is a perversion of that.

I think heaven will be physical like this but exist on a plane of reality that has fewer glitches and problem. Society as we know it will be more smoothed out and perfected since reality itself will fundamentally vibrate at a higher frequency. So the quality of light will be better, Ideals like peace and love will be more fundamental. Pain will be de-emphasized as a necessity for learning. I think it is a place that exists closest to source consciousness so ideas and inspiration are more perfect as a result. They don't have to travel too far to get to us. Creativity will be basic and fundamental. Then I feel like there will be a clearer awareness of all the lives we lived in the sense that from there we could see and experience multiple versions of our lives in different simulations of reality. Its possible that this simulation is a projection of our consciousness. We will also have a clearer understanding and awareness of what consciousness is and how to use it to our evolutionary advantage.

I suspect life will be more complex and more simple at the same time. I think with the expanded reality will come expanded capabilities like levitation and telekinesis. Its a place where the human mind has achieved its highest evolutionary destination. The notion of perfection would be achieved. That said other things that are just notions like peace will also be realised.

I think heaven is a state of mind that is achieved. That state of mind manifests as reality when its achieved. I think we all create our own heavens. I might see you in my heaven and you might see me in yours but we might not necessarily be sharing the same reality. I think the job and capability of consciousness is to create a perceivable reality. Physicality is just how we experience it. We are all currently experiencing this reality and have come to a point where we are no longer interested in the experience. We want to die and move on. I think its important to die peacefully because peace brings proper transition. Which is why I believe in euthanasia. I feel it should be a choice made freely by the suffering individual. Its a choice that should be respected by friends and family. I don't think death should be seen as a bad thing. After all we all die. Its only fair that we choose the way we want to do it and when.

Having said all that, if I could get my hands on a bottle of N, I would make my voyage tonight.

 

[Lisa]

Yeah I do think this is some kind of anchor program. I think we are experiencing other realities simultaneously but are somehow anchored to this one. Probably because of some pre-life contract or agreement. I think thats why we have dreams but always wake up here. I tend to have have a lot of vivid dreams. Several a night and all of them feel just as real as this reality. Who is to say I am not sharing my time. We are definitely constructing this experience in our minds. Its only as real as we choose to believe it is. Perception is everything. Schizophrenia is a perversion of that.

I think heaven will be physical like this but exist on a plane of reality that has fewer glitches and problem. Society as we know it will be more smoothed out and perfected since reality itself will fundamentally vibrate at a higher frequency. So the quality of light will be better, Ideals like peace and love will be more fundamental. Pain will be de-emphasized as a necessity for learning. I think it is a place that exists closest to source consciousness so ideas and inspiration are more perfect as a result. They don't have to travel too far to get to us. Creativity will be basic and fundamental. Then I feel like there will be a clearer awareness of all the lives we lived in the sense that from there we could see and experience multiple versions of our lives in different simulations of reality. Its possible that this simulation is a projection of our consciousness. We will also have a clearer understanding and awareness of what consciousness is and how to use it to our evolutionary advantage.

I suspect life will be more complex and more simple at the same time. I think with the expanded reality will come expanded capabilities like levitation and telekinesis. Its a place where the human mind has achieved its highest evolutionary destination. The notion of perfection would be achieved. That said other things that are just notions like peace will also be realised.

I think heaven is a state of mind that is achieved. That state of mind manifests as reality when its achieved. I think we all create our own heavens. I might see you in my heaven and you might see me in yours but we might not necessarily be sharing the same reality. I think the job and capability of consciousness is to create a perceivable reality. Physicality is just how we experience it. We are all currently experiencing this reality and have come to a point where we are no longer interested in the experience. We want to die and move on. I think its important to die peacefully because peace brings proper transition. Which is why I believe in euthanasia. I feel it should be a choice made freely by the suffering individual. Its a choice that should be respected by friends and family. I don't think death should be seen as a bad thing. After all we all die. Its only fair that we choose the way we want to do it and when.

Having said all that, if I could get my hands on a bottle of N, I would make my voyage tonight.

Honestly you express it so perfectly. Do you mind if I PM you?

 

[Lisa]

Yeah I do think this is some kind of anchor program. I think we are experiencing other realities simultaneously but are somehow anchored to this one. Probably because of some pre-life contract or agreement. I think thats why we have dreams but always wake up here. I tend to have have a lot of vivid dreams. Several a night and all of them feel just as real as this reality. Who is to say I am not sharing my time. We are definitely constructing this experience in our minds. Its only as real as we choose to believe it is. Perception is everything. Schizophrenia is a perversion of that.

I think heaven will be physical like this but exist on a plane of reality that has fewer glitches and problem. Society as we know it will be more smoothed out and perfected since reality itself will fundamentally vibrate at a higher frequency. So the quality of light will be better, Ideals like peace and love will be more fundamental. Pain will be de-emphasized as a necessity for learning. I think it is a place that exists closest to source consciousness so ideas and inspiration are more perfect as a result. They don't have to travel too far to get to us. Creativity will be basic and fundamental. Then I feel like there will be a clearer awareness of all the lives we lived in the sense that from there we could see and experience multiple versions of our lives in different simulations of reality. Its possible that this simulation is a projection of our consciousness. We will also have a clearer understanding and awareness of what consciousness is and how to use it to our evolutionary advantage.

I suspect life will be more complex and more simple at the same time. I think with the expanded reality will come expanded capabilities like levitation and telekinesis. Its a place where the human mind has achieved its highest evolutionary destination. The notion of perfection would be achieved. That said other things that are just notions like peace will also be realised.

I think heaven is a state of mind that is achieved. That state of mind manifests as reality when its achieved. I think we all create our own heavens. I might see you in my heaven and you might see me in yours but we might not necessarily be sharing the same reality. I think the job and capability of consciousness is to create a perceivable reality. Physicality is just how we experience it. We are all currently experiencing this reality and have come to a point where we are no longer interested in the experience. We want to die and move on. I think its important to die peacefully because peace brings proper transition. Which is why I believe in euthanasia. I feel it should be a choice made freely by the suffering individual. Its a choice that should be respected by friends and family. I don't think death should be seen as a bad thing. After all we all die. Its only fair that we choose the way we want to do it and when.

Having said all that, if I could get my hands on a bottle of N, I would make my voyage tonight.

Some stuff I want to PM you about:

Do you mind sharing your age?

How did you learn all of this?

 

[Aity4883]

No one alive knows for certain.

//End the thread







No, but seriously. Your best bet is to go with whatever sounds best to you. Hope for the best outcome. If it is non existance, your last memory will be a happy one. If not, then who knows.

 

[Xmac000]

"The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space." In similar fashion, for the amount of complexity and depth there is to consciousness and what can potentially be understood and learned from the vastness of reality, it would be an awful waste of time to have all that one learned and evolved from, simply become nothing. So I deal with it as a bet. I'm betting on an outcome.

 

[Lisa]

"The universe is a pretty big place. If it's just us, seems like an awful waste of space." In similar fashion, for the amount of complexity and depth there is to consciousness and what can potentially be understood and learned from the vastness of reality, it would be an awful waste of time to have all that one learned and evolved from, simply become nothing. So I deal with it as a bet. I'm betting on an outcome.

That's a good way of looking at it

I totally agree

 

[maktubler]

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Honestly you express it so perfectly. Do you mind if I PM you?

I don't mind at all

 

[maktubler]

Some stuff I want to PM you about:

Do you mind sharing your age?

How did you learn all of this?

I am 32M. I have had some strange experiences that forced me to try to make sense of things,

 

[maktubler]

Some stuff I want to PM you about:

Do you mind sharing your age?

How did you learn all of this?

I had a suicide attempt. In the hospital I died. I felt the cold creeping up from my feet to my legs and my stomach . It actually felt nice until it reached my chest. Then I started to panic. It would not let up so I let it take over me. Suddenly I woke up somewhere else. In another reality. There I was aware that I was in a hospital bed but I was fully aware of my body in the new reality as well. I was in. a flying car. The person next to me told me I had a beautiful consciousness.. I can DM the rest of the experience to you.

 

[Lisa]

I had a suicide attempt. In the hospital I died. I felt the cold creeping up from my feet to my legs and my stomach . It actually felt nice until it reached my chest. Then I started to panic. It would not let up so I let it take over me. Suddenly I woke up somewhere else. In another reality. There I was aware that I was in a hospital bed but I was fully aware of my body in the new reality as well. I was in. a flying car. The person next to me told me I had a beautiful consciousness.. I can DM the rest of the experience to you.

I just PM'ed you

 

[Lisa]

I had a suicide attempt. In the hospital I died. I felt the cold creeping up from my feet to my legs and my stomach . It actually felt nice until it reached my chest. Then I started to panic. It would not let up so I let it take over me. Suddenly I woke up somewhere else. In another reality. There I was aware that I was in a hospital bed but I was fully aware of my body in the new reality as well. I was in. a flying car. The person next to me told me I had a beautiful consciousness.. I can DM the rest of the experience to you.

I'm not sure you received my PM?

 

[Eric Kalteux]

There is no proof of course. But those are about to CTB are the closest to finding out

 

[letmeoutmp3]

some replies on this thread make me tired lmao

idk if there's another brazilian on this forum but i was raised in an afro-brazilian religion called umbanda. unfortunaly the resourses about it in english are not really trust worty so i don't recommend reading those. the religion believes in an afterlife and reincarnation, it also believes that spirits can help humans on earth. the spirits "posseses" the bodies of mediums and talk to us. idk how to really explain it since my english is pretty limited but i do believe it. many times the spirits have talked to me about things that only i know, especific things. one example is when i was like 15 and dating another girl for the first time, i was very terrified of people finding out that i'm gay and one spirit told me to be calm and that they wouldn't tell anyone. that was a big relief.

you can believe it or not but that sort of thing happened to me many times.

edit: pressed send before i finished lol