Adapted Inert Gas Method

[jahjoe]

Okay so i know you can not buy the exit bags anymore so i will have to build my own.
Iv also found a 400L tank which is 14 cu ft, more than enough.

However as there may be a risk that I either remove the bag myself after passing out of that it gets ripped or torn from any convulsions I was wondering about some way of adding a timer to the gas flow.

This would allow me to drink and smoke until i pass out, and then after im asleep, the gas would start flowing by itself.

How would I make a timer device or where i would get one?

 

[waterworks]

I honestly wouldn't rely on such a system, never even heard of one. But if you are worried about convulsions, tightly tape the gas tank to a heavily object like a desk or steady chair that won't topple over. You can easily purchase straps from amazon, that you can use to strap yourself to a chair, arms, chest and legs. I wouldn't advise drinking liquor to pass out because there is the chance of you puking into the exit bag which can mess everything up.

 

[Kapsyl]

Are you technically inclined and have 400-800$ to spare? Then yes, but it wouldn't work with an exit bag and would take a bit of manufacturing and assembling. As waterworks said alcohol is a no go because of the vomit hazard.

Equipment required are
Full face mask
3 way ball valve
Servo which is time operated.
Hoses and hose clamps

The full face mask is required because of its ability to exhale co2 and keep a tight airseal regardless of your sleeping orientation. It also needs the ability to breathe regular air when you're awake which wouldn't work in an exit bag.

I've excluded the scuba/scba methods out of simplicity since it would require a high pressure 3 way valve and higher quality connections which are points of failure. I also don't think they're necessary since you already be asleep so comfort isn't as high of a priority then it's normally.

So that limits you to a continuous flow full face mask setup, preferably with a reservoir tank. This will allow you breath normal air at atmospheric pressure when awake but switched to continuous nitrogen flow when asleep.

To make said switch to nitrogen I suggest a 3 way ball valve which is servo driven on a timer. You would need to manufacture a steady frame to mount the valve and the servo since these valves need some torque to operate.

The valve would be outfitted with barb on the nitrogen end, but the connection to the mask would require some sort of adapter since full face mask often have a bigger connection than 6/8mm.




How you would operate the servo on a I'm not actually sure, either by directly connecting it to the shaft or with gear/belt reduction. The timer to activate the motor I'm also unsure about. But I'm sure there are some way to program a simple timer which activates the servo somehow. Be aware that the servo needs to shut down when it reach it ends so a simple on off switch may not be enough.

I could probably do something like this to my setup, but i would rather make a conscious decision to go.

 

[jahjoe]

I like the idea of the full face mask as opposed to the exit bag.,
I saw an old post earlier from gasmonkey with his set up in a lawn chair.
which inspired me to write this post.

my main concern is the unconscious removal of any bag / face mask.

Iv tested the oven bags, but they feel flimsy.
the vacuum compression bags are a lot stronger and designed not to break under suction
plus they already have a one way valve installed.

Also what tubing do you need for the gas, would a garden hose suffix?

 

[Kapsyl]

Gasmonkey used a scba system which is 1000$+

Removing the bag involuntarily is really only a concern up to the moment of total unconsciousness. When you out you're not doing anything else then going limp which why straps are used to secure the body.

If you're concerned about removing the bag/mask before unconsciousness which i have recent experience with I can recommend straps/handcuffs.

Garden hoses are often to big and not suitable, you need something like compressed air tubing which is common and in the right size in hardware stores.

 

[devils~advocate]

Gasmonkey used a scba system which is 1000$+

Removing the bag involuntarily is really only a concern up to the moment of total unconsciousness. When you out you're not doing anything else then going limp which why straps are used to secure the body.

If you're concerned about removing the bag/mask before unconsciousness which i have recent experience with I can recommend straps/handcuffs.

Garden hoses are often to big and not suitable, you need something like compressed air tubing which is common and in the right size in hardware stores.

Straps/ handcuffs....is the unconscious movement that intense to require this? I was under the impression that one doesnt move much.

 

[Kapsyl]

Straps/ handcuffs....is the unconscious movement that intense to require this? I was under the impression that one doesnt move much.

Depends on how well disciplined you're, for me SI took over that very brief moment just before total unconsciousness were I wasn't thinking straight. I don't even remember how I removed the mask only that I was suddenly standing, staring at the wall.

So to be clear all this happened before total unconsciousness, a few more seconds without interference would have rendered me totally unconscious. The handcuffs would only be necessary for those brief seconds of non coherent thinking, no more.

The unconsciousness introduced from cerebral hypoxia is strictly a resource saving mechanism. Consciousness requires a lot of oxygen, so when introduced to low oxygen environment the body responds by shutting down non essential parts of the brain. Focusing on maintaining the vital body functions like breathing and heart rate.

What I experienced was likely my body's fight or flight system. A last ditch attempt to remove me from danger, solely based on my knowledge of the finite end ahead. Since this response is purely cognitive, it only last for a few seconds between total determination and unconscious.

The necessity of straps or handcuffs can be debated, but after unconsciousness their only use is the keep the body in a fixed position.

 

[Not A Fan]

Straps/ handcuffs....is the unconscious movement that intense to require this? I was under the impression that one doesnt move much.

I think the idea is that, even though convulsions may not occur, they possibly might. I can see why someone not wanting to leave anything to chance, would use some kind of restraint.

The more I look into Argon, it seems that due to its heavier weight, it has a tendency to settle in a pool at the bottom of confined spaces. If one released sufficient argon in a confined space, and laid on the ground, it might bypass the need for having to build and rely on an exit bag. I don't think anyone's actually tried this yet, but it might be worth looking into further. In this case, no headgear or mask or body restraints would be necessary.