(Accidental) Opioid Overdose is Saved and a Vegetable

[schopenh]

Honestly this is terrifying to me:



I keep flipping between opioid overdose and SN.
Back to SN.

 

[Broken Chimera]

Great. Another "trophy" for the forced lifers. SN is better because it won't leave you brain damaged or a vegetable if you fail.

 

[Gnip]

This is my only cause for hesitating with nitrogen hypoxia. If sodium nitrite fails, we've had members come back with their faculties fully intact. But the risks with a nitrogen failure could be the same as with an opioid overdose.

I'm undergoing a medical procedure in a couple weeks where I will be prescribed a liberal amount of oxycodone for pain management during recovery, and there's simply no way I would ever contemplate using a medication like that other than prescribed. (Actually, part of the reason I will be placed on oxycodone is precisely because my specialist KNOWS I'm suicidal, and he doesn't want me to CTB as a means of pain relief. Incidentally, making this post reminds me that I need to discontinue naltrexone, so I can be certain the oxycodone will be effective when I need it to be.)

 

[greyhound]

How is it that SN doesn't cause damage if the attempt fails? I read that N is supposedly neuroprotective and this is responsible for it also not causing permanent damage in some cases that were reversed. But surely at some point the lack of oxygen will start to cause damage in the brain.

 

[Meditation guide]

I'm confused. Opioids depress your breathing. You stop breathing. He must have been rescued quickly and resusitated.
I wish they had gone into details about what exactly happened to him.

 

[Spitfire]

Accidentally overdosing on drugs is a risk.

Opioid overdose may result in horrifying conditions, and it is definitely a good thing to keep in mind.

 

[Meditation guide]

How is it that SN doesn't cause damage if the attempt fails?

It has something to do with SN being converted to nitric oxide and expanding the blood vessels. This creates a protective effect in the brain.

 

[shorecomingsee yah]

How is it that SN doesn't cause damage if the attempt fails? I read that N is supposedly neuroprotective and this is responsible for it also not causing permanent damage in some cases that were reversed. But surely at some point the lack of oxygen will start to cause damage in the brain.
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i think your brain doesnt need much oxygen to stay alive and your heart gives out first

 

[Forgotten]

How is it that SN doesn't cause damage if the attempt fails? I read that N is supposedly neuroprotective and this is responsible for it also not causing permanent damage in some cases that were reversed. But surely at some point the lack of oxygen will start to cause damage in the brain.

I'm no chemist, but it probably has something to do with the fact that SN is a conservant, probably allows the brain tissue to survive for a much longer time, so by the time EMT puts you on oxygen and starts pumping methylene blue, the brain gets operational again without any damage or impairment. Just a guess, there was a SN case here in my city where two guys took SN together and their bodies were found a week later, the coroner mentioned to the TV crew that the compound the men used (SN) had conserved the bodies, that's why there was no decomposition whatsoever to their bodies, they looked like they were sleeping.

 

[rt1989526]

I'm no chemist, but it probably has something to do with the fact that SN is a conservant, probably allows the brain tissue to survive for a much longer time, so by the time EMT puts you on oxygen and starts pumping methylene blue, the brain gets operational again without any damage or impairment. Just a guess, there was a SN case here in my city where two guys took SN together and their bodies were found a week later, the coroner mentioned to the TV crew that the compound the men used (SN) had conserved the bodies, that's why there was no decomposition whatsoever to their bodies, they looked like they were sleeping.

Really their bodies didn't decompose at all? Do you have any links to this story or anything?

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I'm no chemist, but it probably has something to do with the fact that SN is a conservant, probably allows the brain tissue to survive for a much longer time, so by the time EMT puts you on oxygen and starts pumping methylene blue, the brain gets operational again without any damage or impairment. Just a guess, there was a SN case here in my city where two guys took SN together and their bodies were found a week later, the coroner mentioned to the TV crew that the compound the men used (SN) had conserved the bodies, that's why there was no decomposition whatsoever to their bodies, they looked like they were sleeping.

Seriously? It stops decomposition? For how long, do you know?

 

[greyhound]

I'm no chemist, but it probably has something to do with the fact that SN is a conservant, probably allows the brain tissue to survive for a much longer time, so by the time EMT puts you on oxygen and starts pumping methylene blue, the brain gets operational again without any damage or impairment. Just a guess, there was a SN case here in my city where two guys took SN together and their bodies were found a week later, the coroner mentioned to the TV crew that the compound the men used (SN) had conserved the bodies, that's why there was no decomposition whatsoever to their bodies, they looked like they were sleeping.

Yeah I guess it is used to cure meats.

 

[Forgotten]

Really their bodies didn't decompose at all? Do you have any links to this story or anything?

It was this case here, it's all in Portuguese though: https://www.diariodecanoas.com.br/n...vem-morador-de-sao-leopoldo-desaparecido.html

There was an article where they even posted pictures of all the medicines they used plus the SN bottle, I believe it was removed after anti-suicide watchdogs caught notice of this case, since I can't find it anymore and on social media many posted about how wrong it was to show all the stuff they used.

Seriously? It stops decomposition? For how long, do you know?

It severely slows down decomposition. Only someone who works with SN can answer this properly, but...

Both sodium nitrate and potassium nitrate, along with nitrites, are used to cure or preserve meats by slowing bacterial growth. They also prevent rancidity.

https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/connect/fsis-content/internet/main/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/foodborne-illness-and-disease/clostridium-botulinum/ct_index

It's purpose is to literally conserve meat, so this effect is expected, specially when taking large amounts of it such as 20 grams.

Yeah I guess it is used to cure meats.

Yes, it's mainly used for food conservation.

 

[rt1989526]

Thanks. That's a nice little side effect.

 

[Aap]

Any method that causes death has the risk of brain damage. Most opioid overdoses do not cause long term damage, and there are many orders of magnitude more opioid ODs than SN. You only hear about the outlying cases. Most SN poisonings don't result in long term damage, but the number of SN ODs is VASTLY smaller than opioids.

 

[LastFlowers]

Great. Another "trophy" for the forced lifers. SN is better because it won't leave you brain damaged or a vegetable if you fail.

I have asked this elsewhere but can someone please explain how and why one would not end up a vegetable by failing SN?
If it depletes oxygen, and the brain is lacking oxygen, doesn't that mean possible brain damage no matter the route?

Honestly this is terrifying to me:



I keep flipping between opioid overdose and SN.
Back to SN.

Fucking horrific. Jesus Christ just kill the man in his sleep, this is my worst nightmare. Parents parading around their vegetable child, even airing out his life to the public when he clearly cannot consent and using him as some anti-drug dog. Disgusting.

 

[Meditation guide]

Parents parading around their vegetable child

They are trying to warn people. I can't fault them for that. It just leaves some questions about how it happened exactly. Clearly he was found and revived.

 

[Broken Chimera]

@LastFlowers Idk the specifics but afaik by the time you got that far you would be dead. I've never read a report that said that this could happen. If it could, pro lifers would start throwing out examples to stop people from using it.

 

[bigdog]

If I would have parents like his I wouldn't CTB maybe they play nice only on camera who knows
Didn't analyse the video

 

[yetme]

Ive ODed on H once. It was great!

 

[Umbrellaterm]

Honestly this is terrifying to me:



I keep flipping between opioid overdose and SN.
Back to SN.

Why not both? OD like a MF (overkill ftw)

Ive ODed on H once. It was great!

Heroine has to be the most overrated drug. Try OxyContin. That shut is the best.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Honestly this is terrifying to me:



I keep flipping between opioid overdose and SN.
Back to SN.

There can be only one , SN. The only method i haven't seen any brain damage in survivors , SN.

I have asked this elsewhere but can someone please explain how and why one would not end up a vegetable by failing SN?
If it depletes oxygen, and the brain is lacking oxygen, doesn't that mean possible brain damage no matter the route?

Fucking horrific. Jesus Christ just kill the man in his sleep, this is my worst nightmare. Parents parading around their vegetable child, even airing out his life to the public when he clearly cannot consent and using him as some anti-drug dog. Disgusting.

Just one mechanism how SN prevents brain damage is because SN causes extreme vasodilation of blood vessels in the brain .

 

[Nymph]

Jesus this is horrible, he thought he's saving him but are you really saving him when he is forced to live the rest of his life like this?!?! Stupid prolifers

 

[bigdog]

As I understood it was accidental overdose? Maybe they didn't even know the amout of damage before they revived him

 

[reticen]

Maybe we have never seen a case of SN brain damage because the people are incapable of coming back to tell us? (not trying to be smart)

 

[SmellyRat]

Maybe we have never seen a case of SN brain damage because the people are incapable of coming back to tell us? (not trying to be smart)

Good point.
This is why im scared of attempting recklessly.
You could end up 1 step forward, then 50 steps backwards from a failed attempt like this.

 

[Meditation guide]

Jesus this is horrible, he thought he's saving him but are you really saving him when he is forced to live the rest of his life like this?!?! Stupid prolifers

This is the consequences of saving a life at any cost.
He was probably unconscious and would have died.

Maybe we have never seen a case of SN brain damage because the people are incapable of coming back to tell us?

Someone here was in a unconscious from SN for a couple of hours and when recovered had no brain damage. He woke up in the hospital and made a full recovery.

 

[Aap]

Your post is full of bad assumptions. Extreme vasodilation in the brain is capable of producing a stroke as is vasoconstriction. SN isn't neuroprotective.

 

[Broken Chimera]

Maybe we have never seen a case of SN brain damage because the people are incapable of coming back to tell us? (not trying to be smart)

And yet they always parade the brain damaged survivors from other methods. One would have come out by now at least.

 

[reticen]

And yet they always parade the brain damaged survivors from other methods. One would have come out by now at least.

Despite SN being popular here relatively few deaths are caused by it. A Google search brings up only a few reported cases. I suspect if we had a bigger sample to study we would find people sustaining long term damage.