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oopswronglife

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Your post sound very ugly to me. Think about that. Do you understand?. I hope so.
Bye and good luck.

Truthfully I do NOT understand. That's why I asked. I guess you won't take me at my word but there was no ill intent or ugliness there. I tried to avoid you feeling insulted by prefacing it was NOT an insult, rather an attempt to understand, and admitting I speak your native language poorly to my detriment. I don't know what else I could have done to prove my intent. But one of the life lessons you learn with time is that you cannot control how people choose to receive something...only how you deliver it. Sadly people get those two mixed up often.

I do have to say I really hate snide passive aggression. Saying things like "Good luck" just to take a shot at someone. It's not hard to speak genuinely...you can express yourself and explain how you feel..even be angry or tell someone how they upset you and made you feel....without taking stabs at them designed purely to win, hit, get over on. I've experienced way too much of that in life and its a massive trigger for me but I cannot imagine anyone likes it.
 
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I see Shatto Mère has now clarified that a misunderstood self-description that used to be on her FB page meant she helps people lose weight. It didn't say that, but that's what it meant. It didn't mean she's a life coach even though it sounded like it did.

She's never been a life coach, ever. She helps people lose weight. I hope we can phrase it properly from now on, because it's important to her.
 
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Meanwhile, I'm trying to think of any religious, philosophical, scientific, psychological, medical, spiritual or social system that doesn't value self-reflection over scapegoating.

Self-reflection is one thing, but I was questioning why some were going the extra distance and suggesting the mother was partially to blame for the death. Having someone explain their stance made me understand this better (basically I thought people were just saying that because they were upset about the Facebook comments, but now I know those who hold that view do so on a basis that at least seems logical).


I don't know if you know @Soul, but Shatto Père screenshotted your post with a caption like "everything has to fit their narrative" (even though your post didn't incite anything, it just asked for clarification?). Eh, I think when it comes to intellectual debate, this forum is quite far ahead of their FB page
 
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Really? A post of mine, screenshot?! I feel humble. I'm glad he sees that our narrative sticks to the facts. That's progress!
 
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Really? A post of mine, screenshot?! I feel humble. I'm glad he sees that our narrative sticks to the facts. That's progress!

père, s'il vous plait.

Are you doing this to annoy me ?
 
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père, s'il vous plait.

Are you doing this to annoy me ?

Au contraire, Roger! I'm not the one who used the P word, but if I had I would've triplechecked which way was right. I got Mère right this time by that very method. You made an impression.
 
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Really? A post of mine, screenshot?! I feel humble. I'm glad he sees that our narrative sticks to the facts. That's progress!

You are now a internet sensation Soul. Tell me, how do you feel being famous? :wink:
 
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You have never been pro-choice. You believe in the option of suicide only to be granted within your very narrow little purview in which you think you have moral authority to dictate to others whether or not their suffering is worthy of suicide.
You are staunchly anti-choice and always have been. "Pro-choice" doesn't just mean you enjoy dictating what choices other people are allowed to make. It's the opposite of that.
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"good reasons" according to *your preferences*, not theirs.
You couldn't be more anti-choice if you tried.
 
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I see Shatto Mère has now clarified that a misunderstood self-description that used to be on her FB page meant she helps people lose weight. It didn't say that, but that's what it meant. It didn't mean she's a life coach even though it sounded like it did.

She's never been a life coach, ever. She helps people lose weight. I hope we can phrase it properly from now on, because it's important to her.

Important Update:
Shatto Mère's FB page referred to her as a TRANSFORMATION COACH. Not a "life coach". She helps people lose weight. (That wasn't what it said but it was what she meant.) I see that this is important to her, so I'm doing my best to set the record straight.

It's not malice. I don't know why it upsets her and those allowed to comment on her FB page. I'm trying to get it right because she cares about not being misrepresented as a "life coach".

Everyone here is struggling with things no one else understands. You are too. Blessings & compassion
 
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So I have just read this entire thread while soaking up as much of the outside media as I could stand, as this was all rather heavy with so much anger thrown about, and what I'm getting out of this, is that the people who were supposed to care, were completely unaware when they shouldn't have been, and are mad at the only place the person went to seek comfort in their final hours, instead of actually using the information to understand what this wonderful person has gone through to reach this point.

That smells a bit like projection and scapegoating to me.
Am I wrong?
 
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Apr 7, 2019
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People need to stop this smearing of a grieving mother who has just lost the love of her life. It is despicable.

She has reacted outward towards a community which gave her daughter the means to end her life. While it might not be a diplomatic, well-though reaction, it is understandable coming from someone in what is possibly the biggest grief of their life.

Disagree with her all you want. But this; calling her a horrible mother, digging through her social media. This is something else...

I don't have any patience for this cynicism, no matter how unjust life has been to you all. An eye for an eye dosen't cut it here, neither does expecting the mother to have rational and well-thought reactions. You didn't just lose the girl you've spent your whole life raising and loving. Act like adults and show some compassion, or at the least just stop fucking salting her wound. It's not rocket science.

Also @Shamana gives life intrinisc value. I am partial to agree with him. If there is even the tiniest sliver of hope for someone in life I think they should be guided towards it. Just because you're all shell-shocked by the borderline narcassistic "just be happy!" rhetoric of some societies dosen't mean anyone who wants to give people the chance to live a worthy life when they're presented with the chance is a sadistic asshole.

It's not black and white; live or die. Some suicidal people just can't cope with their lives anymore, and so deserve earnest, constructive help from good people. Not just a "Hmm well it's your choice - here's how to poision yourself by the way" answer.

Also gate-keeping him with "why are you even here?" statements and telling him he is being too dramatic - then saying he takes things too personally? Get a grip.
 
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People need to stop this smearing of a grieving mother who has just lost the love of her life. It is despicable.

She has reacted outward towards a community which gave her daughter the means to end her life. While it might not be a diplomatic, well-though reaction, it is understandable coming from someone in what is possibly the biggest grief of their life.

Disagree with her all you want. But this; calling her a horrible mother, digging through her social media. This is something else...

I don't have any patience for this cynicism, no matter how unjust life has been to you all. An eye for an eye dosen't cut it here, neither does expecting the mother to have rational and well-thought reactions. You didn't just lose the girl you've spent your whole life raising and loving. Act like adults and show some compassion, or at the least just stop fucking salting her wound. It's not rocket science.

Also @Shamana gives life intrinisc value. I am partial to agree with him. If there is even the tiniest sliver of hope for someone in life I think they should be guided towards it. Just because you're all shell-shocked by the borderline narcassistic "just be happy!" rhetoric of some societies dosen't mean anyone who wants to give people the chance to live a worthy life when they're presented with the chance is a sadistic asshole.

It's not black and white; live or die. Some suicidal people just can't cope with their lives anymore, and so deserve earnest, constructive help from good people. Not just a "Hmm well it's your choice - here's how to poision yourself by the way" answer.

Also gate-keeping him with "why are you even here?" statements and telling him he is being too dramatic - then saying he takes things too personally? Get a grip.
She started it and nothing has been done to her that she or her family hasn't done to this community. As the saying goes: "don't give it if you can't take it". Grief is not excuse. If she stops, the community will stops, but since she refuses to do so, let her taste her own poison.
 
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She started it and nothing has been done to her that she or her family hasn't done to this community. As the saying goes: "don't give it if you can't take it". Grief is not excuse. If she stops, the community will stops, but since she refuses to do so, let her taste her own poison.

It boggles my mind how you can say this but to each their own. You're acting like this is a foul tackle on a football court or something. I hope you never experience the agonizing cascade of emotions accompanied by the loss of a child.
 
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Alchemist

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Apr 3, 2019
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It boggles my mind how you can say this but to each their own. I hope you never experience the agonizing cascade of emotions accompanied by the loss of a child.
Bringing a child to this world is something evil and twisted, so I'm not gonna do that. Still, I'm rational enough to not take my anger on people who don't deserve it, and specially not to carry a hate campaign and try to make others even more miserable. And TBH, she reminds me of my own mother, so I know quite well when someone is using manipulation to get their way. WHatever sympathy she deserve, was lost because of her own actions.
 
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Disagree with her all you want. But this; calling her a horrible mother, digging through her social media. This is something else...

For the record: I never called her anything but a life coach (my mistake!) and her social media doesn't need "digging through". People here have been referring to things she's posted on her public Facebook page. She posts screenshots of posts from this forum - maybe yours will turn up there! She's even been using her page to clarify what being a transformational coach means. Apparently she's fine with our reading her page.

I can agree with large parts of your post, though, @Tortured_empath; I believe I've said more than once that it doesn't surprise me that her reactions have been irrational, or that she's scapegoating instead of reflecting. However, I don't think it's either praiseworthy or healthy for her to keep bristling with anger and hate and vengeful thinking.

Wishing her well, I wish she'd reflect more.
 
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Tortured_empath

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Apr 7, 2019
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For the record: I never called her anything but a life coach (my mistake!) and her social media doesn't need "digging through". People here have been referring to things she's posted on her public Facebook page. She posts screenshots of posts from this forum - maybe yours will turn up there! She's even been using her page to clarify what being a transformational coach means. Apparently she's fine with our reading her page.

I can agree with large parts of your post, though, @Tortured_empath; I believe I've said more than once that it doesn't surprise me that her reactions have been irrational, or that she's scapegoating instead of reflecting. However, I don't think it's either praiseworthy or healthy for her to keep bristling with anger and hate and vengeful thinking.

Wishing her well, I wish she'd reflect more.

Her shadowboxing on Facebook though... it's clearly a sign of someone in emotional distress. It hurts to see. I don't think she really wants to and I don't think we should give her any more reason to do so.

I wish she could be more rational in her grief too. I wish I could be more rational when my PTSD kicks in and I feel like slicing my arteries open at 3 a.m., but that's not how the world works - people in distress have the coping mechanisms they have, however rational they might be. We suicidals of all people should know this.

If anything we should be more rational. We haven't lost our daughter. We should be the better people here and see the situation 20/20 for what it is: a grieving mother who has lost her child.
 
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Jan 16, 2019
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Really? A post of mine, screenshot?! I feel humble. I'm glad he sees that our narrative sticks to the facts. That's progress!
Welcome to the Crew. Edit: Making other comments a separate post later. In the middle of something else & @Soul they are general comments, not directed at you.
 
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Her shadowboxing on Facebook though... it's clearly a sign of someone in emotional distress. It hurts to see. I don't think she really wants to and I don't think we should give her any more reason to do so.

I wish she could be more rational in her grief too. I wish I could be more rational when my PTSD kicks in and I feel like slicing my arteries open at 3 a.m., but that's not how the world works - people in distress have the coping mechanisms they have, however rational they might be. We suicidals of all people should know this.

If anything we should be more rational. We haven't lost our daughter. We should be the better people here and see the situation 20/20 for what it is: a grieving mother who has lost her child.

@Tortured_empath, I do see a mother grieving over the suicide of one of her children. Suicide is more difficult to deal with than most other ways a child can be lost, and I hope she's getting good professional counselling from someone who isn't interested in revving her up for journalistic aims.

But you know, @Tortured_empath, this forum of suicidal people *has* been more forgiving and forbearing than she has, even though we've lost children, partners, siblings, friends, freedom, health, dreams, hope, you name it.

I hope you'll clarify what you mean by "her shadowboxing on Facebook". I don't understand what you mean by that, and I'd like to.
 
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Tortured_empath

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Apr 7, 2019
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@Tortured_empath, I do see a mother grieving over the suicide of one of her children. Suicide is more difficult to deal with than most other ways a child can be lost, and I hope she's getting good counselling from someone who isn't interested in revving her up for journalistic aims.

But you know, @Tortured_empath, this forum of suicidal people *has* been far more forgiving and forbearing than she has, even though we too have lost children, partners, siblings, friends, freedom, dreams, hope, you name it.

I hope you'll clarify what you mean by "her shadowboxing on Facebook". I don't understand what you mean by that, and I'd like to.

I've seen some genuinely respectful ones, and then I've seems some completely devoid of empathy. This is not to take a jab at you, @Soul or anyone in particular (although there are some I'd like to). I know most people's amygdalas are probably fried off after years of chronic depression; I know mine is. But it dosen't take much imagination to think of the absolute knife blade to the heart one must feel when reading that the death of their own child is "probably their own fault anyway".

We're not the one's grieving here, and I for one couldn't begin to imagine the stress of losing someone and then being ridiculed for being a shitty human being by a mob of people. It's disgusting.

She's boxing shadows on her Facebook wall. No one is there to take the discussion with her and she's not looking for one. She's looking for emotional release. The comments are clearly affecting her mental state.
 
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But @Tortured_empath, there *are* many grieving people here, and many that are struggling with direly hard situations. Shatto Mère doesn't seem to care that people here are struggling just like her daughter was, but I don't understand why *your* empathy doesn't stretch that far. Suffering should elevate us - only us?
 
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But @Tortured_empath, there *are* many grieving people here, and many that are struggling with direly hard situations. Shatto Mère doesn't seem to care that people here are struggling just like her daughter was, but I don't understand why *your* empathy doesn't stretch that far. Suffering should elevate us - only us?

People here are generally not grieving over their own children who comitted suicide with methods learned from SS and with support from here. I think a lot of outsiders do consider themself emphatic to not consider suicide as the answer to the adversity that members here go through. It's unrealistic to expect from outsiders, especially bereaved parents.

But when I see members in here saying that children comitting suicide in response to bullying as a grand solutition and that living is merely preserving life, I do in fact agree with that certain parts of the culture here and certain member are twisted and in a certain light "evil.
 
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Tortured_empath

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But @Tortured_empath, there *are* many grieving people here, and many that are struggling with direly hard situations. Shatto Mère doesn't seem to care that people here are struggling just like her daughter was, but I don't understand why *your* empathy doesn't stretch that far. Suffering should elevate us - only us?

I don't see how this constitutes berating her. I don't hold her up to the same standards as our's because we didn't just walk in to the corpse of our daughter. Her attacks are not nearly as personal either; they are not in any way related to the grief or pain anyone here is experiencing. I don't think it's pleasant to be called an accomplice in murder either; but I take it to account and I make the effort to tell myself that this is the words of a grieving parent. It's making an effort to be the better person.

In your words: I wish everyone here well, I just wish they'd reflect more.
 
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I've seen some genuinely respectful ones, and then I've seems some completely devoid of empathy. This is not to take a jab at you, @Soul or anyone in particular (although there are some I'd like to). I know most people's amygdalas are probably fried off after years of chronic depression; I know mine is. But it dosen't take much imagination to think of the absolute knife blade to the heart one must feel when reading that the death of their own child is "probably their own fault anyway".

We're not the one's grieving here, and I for one couldn't begin to imagine the stress of losing someone and then being ridiculed for being a shitty human being by a mob of people. It's disgusting.

She's boxing shadows on her Facebook wall. No one is there to take the discussion with her and she's not looking for one. She's looking for emotional release. The comments are clearly affecting her mental state.
I will never hear the Fiona Apple song the same way ever again.
 
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Bringing a child to this world is something evil and twisted, so I'm not gonna do that. Still, I'm rational enough to not take my anger on people who don't deserve it, and specially not to carry a hate campaign and try to make others even more miserable. And TBH, she reminds me of my own mother, so I know quite well when someone is using manipulation to get their way. WHatever sympathy she deserve, was lost because of her own actions.

Would you like to meet my nephews and explain to me why bringing them into the world was evil and twisted. Would you like to explain why bringing me into the world was evil and twisted?

Most people in the world are in fact living. Most of them don't have a death wish.
 
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I don't see how this constitutes berating her. I don't hold her up to the same standards as our's because we didn't just walk in to the corpse of our daughter. Her attacks are not nearly as personal either; they are not in any way related to the grief or pain anyone here is experiencing. I don't think it's pleasant to be called an accomoplice in murder either; but I take it to account and I make the effort to tell myself that this is the words of a grieving parent. It's making an effort to be the better person.

In your words: I wish everyone here well, I just wish they'd reflect more.

I don't understand your first sentence; I don't see anyone berating her either.

I don't think we should make assumptions about what people on this forum have or haven't experienced in the last three months. Your observation that Shawn's mother isn't very personal in her attacks on us is true and interesting. It doesn't seem to register that we're people here, many/most in serious longterm pain.
 
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Would you like to meet my nephews and explain to me why bringing them into the world was evil and twisted. Would you like to explain why bringing me into the world was evil and twisted?

Most people in the world are in fact living. Most of them don't have a death wish.
Sure, because being in this world bring nothing but suffering and pain. Then again, it would be easier to understand the explanation from antinatalist who can put it better into words. Bringing people to suffer into this world is just done to satiate the ego and have someone to share misery. But nice ad populum fallacy. Billions of fly think that shit is delicious.

I don't see how this constitutes berating her. I don't hold her up to the same standards as our's because we didn't just walk in to the corpse of our daughter. Her attacks are not nearly as personal either; they are not in any way related to the grief or pain anyone here is experiencing. I don't think it's pleasant to be called an accomplice in murder either; but I take it to account and I make the effort to tell myself that this is the words of a grieving parent. It's making an effort to be the better person.

In your words: I wish everyone here well, I just wish they'd reflect more.

Grief is not a free pass to be an asshole, and considering that she has called murderers and her family has said they would love to have us lined-up an shot, calling her a shitty mother in basis of her behaviour and attittude is pecatta minuta. She has a vendetta against the only safe space many people who have been abused in some form on another. And if there's something I've learned from being bullied is that unless one stand up a defends himself, the bully will get their way.
 
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Sure, because being in this world bring nothing but suffering and pain. Then again, it would be easier to understand the explanation from antinatalist who can put it better into words. Bringing people to suffer into this world is just done to satiate the ego and have someone to share misery. But nice ad populum fallacy. Billions of fly think that shit is delicious.



Grief is not a free pass to be an asshole, and considering that she has called murderers and her family has said they would love to have us lined-up an shot, calling her a shitty mother in basis of her behaviour and attittude is pecatta minuta. She has a vendetta against the only safe space many people who have been abused in some form on another. And if there's something I've learned from being bullied is that unless one stand up a defends himself, the bully will get their way.

I would gladly introduce you to the hundreds of friends i have met in my life who experience a whole lot more happines than they do of pain and suffering. And although I'm in a bad place to now, I've good and worthwhile perioids in my life that has not been about pain or suffering. Quite simply because your life may have been all suffering and pain, does not mean it extends to most or all.
 
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And if there's something I've learned from being bullied is that unless one stand up a defends himself, the bully will get their way.

Sometimes I wonder who the bully is in this situation...

I don't understand your first sentence; I don't see anyone berating her either.

I don't think we should make assumptions about what people on this forum have or haven't experienced in the last three months. Your observation that Shawn's mother isn't very personal in her attacks on us is true and interesting. It doesn't seem to register that we're people here, many/most in serious longterm pain.

I can give you several examples in this thread.

I am not making assumptions. My deepest respects to everyone here and their problems and suffering. I am one too.

But no one here has had their personal trauma as the subject of discussion in this matter. Except for the family. And the mother in particular. In the face of the loss of her love; her maternal integrity, compassion, sympathy, even her job title has become the laughing stock of some strangers on the internet.

We've been called some things as a group. Such is life. It is not a supernatural reaction to expect from the family; just like the man who comes home to find his wife's lover in bed usually isn't very diplomatic. Except this time he found his daughter. Dead.

You know my opinion on this. I've said what I needed to say. Goodnight.
 
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I would gladly introduce you to the hundreds of friends i have met in my life who experience a whole lot more happines than they do of pain and suffering. And although I'm in a bad place to now, I've good and worthwhile perioids in my life that has not been about pain or suffering. Quite simply because your life may have been all suffering and pain, does not mean it extends to most or all.
And I can present you lots of thousands who find a pile of steaming poo apetizing. BUt nice pro-life propaganda.

Sometimes I wonder who the bully is in this situation...

The ones who are making life even harder for vulnerable people by taking their means to find peace and parading across the media to satisfy their need of protagonism.
 
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Caution: impromptu epic exposition

I look back on the whole thing sadly, and sad that the whole situation played out the way it did. I try to remember what state of mind I was in when she posted her goodbye thread, but I can't. It's just fluctuated so much, and it's ironic that she only came on a few times, got the method down, and then bam, she did it. I know there's a big difference in my state of mind when I've "attempted," and when I've attempted. The 3 serious attempts I didn't talk to anyone, and if I wasn't using Hollywood promoted methods, I'd be dead now. What Im saying us, she was scared, but I believe her mind was pretty made up. And our well wishes are part of the community, and I jumped on it to comfort her, not encourage it. It's like her mind was made up, what more could I do? I didn't even know what was going on for like a week, until someone pointed out my post had been one of the singled out ones. Then it was like total shock, and I know this could end up on FB, but I can really be an insensitive jerk. I don't like to look at some things I said, but then again, I think during that time I was pulling off the road and sitting in my car for hours because I didn't want to face life, but I didn't want another failed attempt. I'm so wrapped up in issues I've had my entire life, and the last few years have been the worst. Mostly because I have a therapist I can trust and talk to. But no one wants to hear about the fact that getting better may mean getting worse first. This isn't just Ruffian the ruffian speaking, either. I was telling my doctor who is one of the top ten in my area about the pain of getting better and all he could say was you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. A direct quote from someone managing my psychiatric medication.

And there's the rub for me. There's so much hype about having the "conversation," about suicide, but the people pushing that narrative want it to be a 2 minute conversation. If you've ever gotten a good suicide prevention person on the phone you know how long they take with you. And their time is limited and they really just want to make sure you're going to stay alive. But it takes a while to unravel why at that particular moment you may have the courage to jump, but you're calling for help at the same time. You always hear about how there's help, but people here (chronic pain and/or illness people I know your stories may be different and you may not suffer the psychological piece) have run the gamut of trying treatments. There's a lot of disappointment and setbacks, but any mental health website makes it sound like you make a gratitude list, think positive, and everything turns around. I was kicked out of an online support group because I refused to say something I was grateful for. Not because I don't have anything, but because I refuse to believe I can force myself to feel better or pretend I'm not in the middle of some pre-verbal, primordial grief that I need to process.

I think maybe the recovery forum has its roots in Ms. Shawn's story. Maybe because it isn't obvious to people right away that just knowing you have the tools to a peaceful death can go a long way towards increasing your will to live.Also this forum is the 1st place I EVER met people who had the same level of depression I've experienced, or worse. And have tried everything and failed or ended up worse. People who became blimps on anti-psychotics and now wont take them, people who were fucked from years of antidepressants and benzodiazepines, and how there's just not always a tidy way to clean up the oil spill one manic episode or BPD explosion can cause in your life. I use other forums for support, but this is the most "Been down so goddamned long it looks like up to me," active forum I've been on in years. The last 2 I joined had great threads, but they were almost always dead. SS is always jumping. I love when a good thread takes off or you get stuck in a stupid 3 way conversation about sick movies. It was scary when we got all that exposure and there was a bunch of fighting, but I'm glad I stuck around. I always think I'm over it and want to ban myself, but I just feel like there's nowhere for me to go. Plus it's truly a world wide forum, and people are really opening up my eyes to a lot of things. Like wow, things are done differently than than the US way?

I don't know how much sense this makes, if any. I would like it to be a way to encourage people to talk more about their feelings, without being labeled as sick or dark. @Tortured_empath hit it on the head with the amygdala reference. Years of pain and depression do change how your brain works. Intellect is one of the first things to go, followed by emotional regulation. You don't just bounce back from that. It would be good for us all to move to a stage beyond who is right or wrong to what helps and what doesn't.
 
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