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lordofbody

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Which one is better? Does it have the power to pierce a 45acp skull?
 
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45acp by a mile.
 
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Which one is better? Does it have the power to pierce a 45acp skull?
From what I understand and it should be looked into by an individual is that you want an "explosion" from the gas, caliber, and type of ammo. You want to displace the matter not have so much of a piercing. Any round will "pierce" but some won't do much damage even after that. You want the blast to do damage as well as the round passing through. You want all that energy to do a sort of blunt force trauma. Its a hard thing to think about.
 
Good4Nothing

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.45, and yes, hollow points are better.
.45 because it's a heavier bullet, hollow point because they expand, causing more damage.
 
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@GarageKarate07, @Odwin, Are hollow point bullets better? Anyone know?
It's basicly an explosion in your head on impact.
Same principle how anti tank rockets work
 
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It's basicly an explosion in your head on impact.
Same principle how anti tank rockets work
Not exactly.
Anti tank rockets turn into a jet of molten copper on impact. Hollow point bullets turn into a jagged lead mushroom.
 
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lordofbody

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Friends, I did not understand anything about what you said. My English is not very good. 45acp enters the head or not? I'll shoot from the side
 
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.45, and yes, hollow points are better.
.45 because it's a heavier bullet, hollow point because they expand, causing more damage.
@Good4Nothing , @Odwin , so if i aim a 45 hollow point right at my brain stem from the side of the head then the hollow point should penetrate the skull then expand right after impact inside my skull destroying the brain stem? so that seems like a at least a 98% chance of Death imo. I was thinking this is preferable to inside the mouth because the soft tissues inside the mouth might not open the hollow point while the strong bones of the skull would ?
 
Odwin

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Not exactly.
Anti tank rockets turn into a jet of molten copper on impact. Hollow point bullets turn into a jagged lead mushroom.
Exactly right, but well for simplecity i choose that example.
 
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@Good4Nothing , @Odwin , so if i aim a 45 hollow point right at my brain stem from the side of the head then the hollow point should penetrate the skull then expand right after impact inside my skull destroying the brain stem? so that seems like a at least a 98% chance of Death imo. I was thinking this is preferable to inside the mouth because the soft tissues inside the mouth might not open the hollow point while the strong bones of the skull would ?


A hollow point will expand on impact even with soft tissue.
 
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I watched the video, it got confused. Is 9mm better?
I posted the video just to demonstrate that hollow point bullets will expand in soft tissue.
I would argue that 9mm is not better, because there are documented cases of people being shot in the head with 9mm bullets and surviving. I don't know if anyone has ever survived being shot in the head with a .45.

.45acp is a heavier bullet travelling at a slower velocity than a 9mm. It will absolutely do more damage.
Just as an example, a friend of mine tried to kill himself by shooting himself in the chest with a .357. A .357 bullet is of comparable weight to a 9mm, but travels much faster. The bullet went straight through him, destroying his scapula on its way out, missing his heart, and he lived.
Had he shot himself with a .45, the slower, heavier bullet would have ricocheted off his scapula, possibly fragmented, and done a hell of a lot more damage. He would probably be dead. His choice of the high velocity .357 probably saved his life.

I would not risk shooting myself with a 9mm. I personally believe my odds of instant death are much better with .45acp. I'm not saying you'll survive a 9mm to the head, but it's been known to happen.
 
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GarageKarate07

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Friends, I did not understand anything about what you said. My English is not very good. 45acp enters the head or not? I'll shoot from the side
I dont think you want to shoot from the side. I think you want to aim for the back of the brain where in connects to the spine.

Eww. I was trying to find a picture and I found shotgun blasts that survived. I'm skipping breakfast today...
 
Odwin

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I dont think you want to shoot from the side. I think you want to aim for the back of the brain where in connects to the spine.

Eww. I was trying to find a picture and I found shotgun blasts that survived. I'm skipping breakfast today...
He survived? Oof, he just got a reason more to die
 
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lordofbody

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I dont think you want to shoot from the side. I think you want to aim for the back of the brain where in connects to the spine.

Eww. I was trying to find a picture and I found shotgun blasts that survived. I'm skipping breakfast today...
If I shoot to the side, both lobes of the brain will be damaged. The target area is wider. I think it's less likely to miss.
 
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@Good4Nothing I don't know now i guess i'm thinking i'd put the gun in my mouth and aim for the brain stem and hope the 45 hollow point will destroy the brain stem ( It's the medulla in the diagram i included here) . if i hit the brain stem with the bullet it's game over i think . Even if the bullet doesn't hit it i'm hoping the hollow point will stay in the skull and not go out the back through the back of the skull and expand back in and destroy the brain stem? do you or anyone else here think this has a more than 90% chance of working?

1940-medical-diagram-of-human-head-B668AK.jpg
That is recommended, yes.
In mouth, aimed at medulla.
 
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If I shoot to the side, both lobes of the brain will be damaged. The target area is wider. I think it's less likely to miss.
Did you read the firearms thread? Im not sure where to find it....
Looking at gunshot CTB pics is so gross. I would post some but I think we can do without today.
 
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lordofbody

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Guys, I'm going to use 45 caliber guns and 45acp ammo.
I'm going to shoot from the side. Because 45acp is slow, can't it pierce my skull? I'm worried about whether it will come in through my skull.
 
Odwin

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Guys, I'm going to use 45 caliber guns and 45acp ammo.
I'm going to shoot from the side. Because 45acp is slow, can't it pierce my skull? I'm worried about whether it will come in through my skull.
If the bullet ricochet of your skull. I give you 5 bitcoins. After that you should apply for any private military, because you might be a marvel character
 
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lol I wish I had the problems you guys have in terms of method :pfff:
 
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Guys, I'm going to use 45 caliber guns and 45acp ammo.
I'm going to shoot from the side. Because 45acp is slow, can't it pierce my skull? I'm worried about whether it will come in through my skull.
45acp will go through both sides of the skull. A smaller insertion wound and a larger exit wound which will "take" a lot of matter with it with the vacuum force as it exits. I'm pretty sure I'm right. I know there are a few people who know more about this. Give it time and they will log on. But the 45acp will take your life.
 
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^ Correct. It will most likely exit, taking large chunks of your skull and much of your brain with it. There's a reason they call it "blowing your brains out".
.45acp is a slower round than most others on the market today, because it was invented 110 years ago and hasn't really changed. Why fix what ain't broke?
It's still one of the most lethal, practical, handgun rounds on the market. 900 feet per second is slow in bullet terms, but that's still insanely fast.
 
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My 357 Colt Python will do the job no bother!
 
Wayfaerer

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Ideally neither but .45ACP is a much larger round with lower pressure than 9x19 so I'd go with .45ACP for sure if I had no other choice between the two.
 
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.45 ACP if you don't have the option of hollowpoint (illegal in many jurisdictions). If you can get hollowpoint, either should do the job. I know people have survived head shots with 9 mm, but I don't know of any cases that survived at point-blank range.

The gel block video aptly demonstrates cavitaton--the big vacuum bubble that then crashes back in on itself. When that happens in an enclosed space like your skull, it does ruinous damage. Though, as others have pointed out, your skull will probably not be that enclosed pretty soon after the bullet enters and then (likely) exits.

I think most of the cautionary stories, apart from ones where people entirely miss the brain by aiming badly under the chin, result from smaller calibre, non-hollowpoint rounds making a small channel through the brain. A functional hollowpoint is going to seriously wreck your brain. Several of the gel-block demonstrations are of .380 calibre, which is even weaker than 9 mm.
 
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JustLosingMyself

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Properly aimed, won't make any difference. A .22LR will do.
Hollow points will expand/mushroom and cause more damage.
Whatever caliber you run the risk of quite some disfigurement
 
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lordofbody

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Friends, 45acp couldn't drill through concrete. How will it pierce my skull?

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No risk at 45acp? If 9mm can certainly pierce the skull, why is 45acp better? 45acp may not be able to pierce the skull, as a result it is slower. It can change direction while piercing the 45acp skull. The 9mm shell has less ability to change direction. Considering all this, isn't 9mm better than 45 acp?
 
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For one moment i thought i was on a forum from escape from tarkov
 
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