Discussion 17 year old girl euthanised in the Netherlands

[Partial-Elf]

There are a few cases like that but it's very rare. Most young people who died by assisted suicide were terminally ill. Cancer is a prime-example of such terminal desease.

Belgium authorised euthanasia of a terminally ill nine and 11-year-old in youngest cases worldwide

Two children, aged nine and 11, have become the world’s youngest to be euthanised, according to a report.

www.telegraph.co.uk

That's how it could look like in other countries but we still have work to do. I think the right-to-die movement has more rational arguments than the people who oppose it, so logically speaking we should win this war in the long run. I hope we will accept mental illness as a valid reason for assisted suicide someday in the future. I honestly don't know why this isn't recognized already, you don't need to be very smart to realize that mental pain can be as severe as physical pain. But I guess it's some kind of ableism. A lot of people simply just don't think mentally ill people can make sane decisions, which is extremely dehumanizing and degrading. Mentally ill people can make sane decisions and they should have the right to decide over their lives. Not other authorities. But as I've said in the past, the psychiatric system seriously needs to reconsider how we treat suicidal and mentally ill people. It's terrible.

Even worse, lots of people don't believe that mental illnesses like anxiety or depression are even real. My family have given me lots of "snap out of it" and "choose to be happy" and "just go for a run" kinds of talks despite an actual diagnosis of major depressive episode.

Right to die is a tough issue in America, with it being such a fiercely pro life culture. It's bizarre to me how the US lionizes suffering and how most of the people I know are incapable of truly coming to terms with death

 

[ddutch]

Kind of insane to think about in some way, don't you think? Waiting on other people to help you die? Not like insane it's happening. It's good it's happening but psychologically I find it hard to grasp sometimes.

Yeah it is insane also insanely stressful at moments especially on the hard days or weeks. But the uncertainty if they wil grant it for me is just hard.

But it is weird i am waiting for them yes, but i only do it this way so my mom can be with me when i do it.
If they dont i will have to do it myself.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Even worse, lots of people don't believe that mental illnesses like anxiety or depression are even real. My family have given me lots of "snap out of it" and "choose to be happy" and "just go for a run" kinds of talks despite an actual diagnosis of major depressive episode.

Right to die is a tough issue in America, with it being such a fiercely pro life culture. It's bizarre to me how the US lionizes suffering and how incapable most of the people I know are of truly coming to terms with death

Oh yeah, that's true. There are people who really believe that depression is fake. Especially young people constantly have to listen to this. For some reason, when they think of depressed young people, they think of tumblr and assume we're all pretending and leeching for attention. It's definitely problematic and I've experienced the same shit from my family. They also talked down to me when I was younger. They simply didn't take me seriously.

I noticed, people who are pro-life in regards to suicide are usually also pro-life in regards to abortion. So these people are - by all possible definitions - pro-suffering. Force people into this world, regardless of the circumstances, for example the financial and emotional situation of their parents, then force them to live in agony and pain as long as possible. In other words, create as many dysfunctional people as possible. I don't know why anyone would think that this is a good idea.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Oh yeah, that's true. There are people who really believe that depression is fake. Especially young people constantly have to listen to this. For some reason, when they think of depressed young people, they think of tumblr and assume we're all pretending and leeching for attention. It's definitely problematic and I've experienced the same shit from my family. They also talked down to me when I was younger. They simply didn't take me seriously.

I noticed, people who are pro-life in regards to suicide are usually also pro-life in regards to abortion. So these people are - by all possible definitions - pro-suffering. Force people into this world, regardless of the circumstances, for example the financial and emotional situation of their parents, then force them to live in agony and pain as long as possible. I don't know why anyone would think that this is a good idea.

Not to mention they're against euthanasia, even for those with terminal illness. Part of this pro life at any cost mentality is the doctrine that "life is a sacred gift from god" and so it must be treasured. I think another part is that Jesus suffered greatly during the crucifixion, so by extension they think there's something holy about pain

 

[Walilamdzi]

It's awful that abuse lead Noa to suffer like this... a life already tainted at such a young age. I'm agnostic, but for what it's worth, if anything of our soul exists beyond death then I hope that there is a more peaceful existence. From all possible observation, it seems she was a highly intelligent young woman, I'm glad that she is no longer suffering in this way, but it angers me that the worst things seem to happen to lovely people. I'd like to read her book if there's a translation.

Here is a quote from her instagram account, which she posted with a childhood photo of herself:
"I want this girl back. Not in the way my hair looked, nor because I was way younger back then. It's because this smile is a real smile. I'm just enjoying the ice cream, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I was a really relaxed child. I didn't really worry about stuff and I didn't give a shit about what I ate. I'm not the same anymore. I'm still Noa of course, but facts are: I do worry a lot right now, I do give a shit way too much about what I eat. My mind sometimes even overthinks about overthinking. And the stupid PTSD and the stupid depression are driving me insane. A black bird that is always on your shoulder. Always telling you how bad you are as a human being, and always yelling about what you're doing wrong. PTSD: I'm always afraid, 24/7, that a certain thing will happen again. Reliving my trauma's every single day, even if it's years ago that they took place.I am so tired. I want that little Noa on the picture back. I am going to fight my ass off to win from the PTSD. I am going inpatient this sundag. I am hella scared. I don't want to keep on 'living' like this. So I'm going to fight my ass off at the psychiatric ward. To get the old Noa back. Or maybe a new one, that's okay too."

 

[LifeIsNotFun]

May she find the peace she deserves.

 

[LifeIsNotFun]

More MSM is catching on this news, and there are mixed reaction from morons on social media. They truly do not understand what one goes through mentally, especially after being raped. They have no right to judge this girl on her actions, and why she chose this path. People are fucking so idiotic.

Dutch rape victim, 17, dies after euthanasia request

A 17-year-old girl who wrote a book about her struggle with mental illness after being molested and raped has been euthanized in the Netherlands, where she lived and assisted-suicide is legal.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Deleted member 1768]

There are a few cases like that but it's very rare. Most young people who died by assisted suicide were terminally ill. Cancer is a prime-example of such terminal desease.

Belgium authorised euthanasia of a terminally ill nine and 11-year-old in youngest cases worldwide

Two children, aged nine and 11, have become the world’s youngest to be euthanised, according to a report.

www.telegraph.co.uk

That's how it could look like in other countries but we still have work to do. I think the right-to-die movement has more rational arguments than the people who oppose it, so logically speaking we should win this war in the long run. I hope we will accept mental illness as a valid reason for assisted suicide someday in the future. I honestly don't know why this isn't recognized already, you don't need to be very smart to realize that mental pain can be as severe as physical pain. But I guess it's some kind of ableism. A lot of people simply just don't think mentally ill people can make sane decisions, which is extremely dehumanizing and degrading. Mentally ill people can make sane decisions and they should have the right to decide over their lives. Not other authorities. But as I've said in the past, the psychiatric system seriously needs to reconsider how we treat suicidal and mentally ill people. It's terrible.

Money. Selling drugs, mostly damaging, is far more profitable than cures/death.

 

[lululoo]

I read elsewhere that US news outlets are getting the story wrong. Apparently she was refusing to eat and drink so they helped her go peacefully instead of tube feeding her. Which is slightly different than granting a euthanasia request.

 

[RainAndSadness]

After doing some research I have to say that this news is wrong. She didn't use Euthanasia, she was actually turned down because they asked her to continue treatment and wait until she reached the age of 21. It was basically suicide. This is a horrible case of inaccurate reporting by the news.

https://dw.com/en/media-misreport-dutch-teen-noa-pothovens-death-as-euthanasia/a-49064448

She had gone through extensive psychiatric treatment and survived several suicide attempts when she approached a euthanasia clinic in The Hague earlier in 2018, but the clinic refused to assist in her death.

At the time, she told De Gelderlander:"They think I'm too young to die. They think I should complete the trauma treatment and that my brain must first be fully grown. That lasts until you are 21. I'm devastated because I can't wait that long anymore."

It's also explained in this article.

Global media misreports Dutch teen author’s death as “legal euthanasia”

A number of international news outlets reported the death of Dutch teen author Noa Pothoven as "legal euthanasia", though this apparently was not the case. The teenager died in a hospital bed in the living room of her parental home in Arnhem on Sunday, according to newspaper AD. In a final...

nltimes.nl

 

[GinaIsReady]

my painting is that I paint in past.
he is idol and did suicide

It is a gorgeous piece of work.

 

[Susan Caswell]

This girl got to euthanise at 17 because her suffering was unbearable. She had post traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety. She wrote a biography about her suffering and her life. The article said that she wasn't living anymore, she was surviving and not even doing that. She went to a clinic in the Netherlands to go get information about it. She later died at home on a hospital bed by euthanasia. She died yesterday. Has this happened before?

The Dutch article; https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/noa-is...en-omdat-mijn-lijden-ondraaglijk-is~a7a2cc47/

Was she Dutch ? I have applied to Dignitas in Switzerland due to deafening tinnitus I cant live with and the crippling anxiety its caused but they wont help me as not terminal but this is immense suffering I thought that was the whole point of them a persons choice im in the UK gosh I wish they would help me im going to have to do this myself somehow and soon

 

[Grumble]

After doing some research I have to say that this news is wrong. She didn't use Euthanasia, she was actually turned down because they asked her to continue treatment and wait until she reached the age of 21. It was basically suicide. This is a horrible case of inaccurate reporting by the news.

This is a shameful level of misreporting.

I'd like to know if they provided her with any pain management. The research I've done about death-by-dehydration has led me to believe it's a painful process.

 

[catwalk]

I'd kind of want to have a conversation with her.

 

[TiredHorse]

Again, confirmation it was not euthanasia, but un-obstructed suicide at home --since she was legally allowed to refuse a feeding tube (denial of consent for treatment) she starved herself to death:

Dutch girl was not 'legally euthanised' and died at home

Noa Pothoven is believed to have refused to eat and there is no evidence of assisted death

www.theguardian.com

 

[Letmego. Please]

As usual it was a Daily Mail story full of shock headlines that got posted around the globe, but as usual for the Mail the whole thing was ballshit.

She was provided with palliative care after refusing to eat & drink.

A Dutch Teenager's Death Was Wrongly Reported As "Legal Euthanasia" Across International Media. Here's How They All Got It Wrong.

Inaccurate stories claiming the 17-year-old had been “legally euthanised” travelled so widely across the internet that even the pope appeared to tweet about it.

www.buzzfeed.com

Never believe anything in that piece of trash tabloid that aint worth using as loo roll.

 

[Identity]

I am in the same process here in holland.
I can tell that the waitinglist is long and it is hard. With my last contact they told me it will take 6 months until the team have time for my case. And even than it is not 100% i will get euthanasia, it is always 50% / 50%.

Same case for me in Belgium, hoop dat we beiden onze rust kunnen vinden.

 

[TAW122]

Yuck at Dailymail and Buzzfeed posting the dreadful suicide prevention numbers and also claiming that they are confidential. Confidential my ass, because these hotlines have the ability to trace phone calls, and of course, send law enforcement/authority to go and detain the person who just looking to talk/vent. While I never called a hotline myself, it's too risky and I'm not risking my freedom, rights being violated, and then be sent a huge bill for something I never agreed to.

 

[Susan Caswell]

Same case for me in Belgium, hoop dat we beiden onze rust kunnen vinden.

I cant wait much longer now this is too much noise in a persons ears to live with I want out but how

 

[NOT]

Oh, the Pope was interested.
I am sure it was just because he thought she was euthanised peacefully.
And that disturbed him I am sure.

 

[Kaput]

As usual it was a Daily Mail story full of shock headlines that got posted around the globe, but as usual for the Mail the whole thing was ballshit.

She was provided with palliative care after refusing to eat & drink.

A Dutch Teenager's Death Was Wrongly Reported As "Legal Euthanasia" Across International Media. Here's How They All Got It Wrong.

Inaccurate stories claiming the 17-year-old had been “legally euthanised” travelled so widely across the internet that even the pope appeared to tweet about it.

www.buzzfeed.com

Never believe anything in that piece of trash tabloid that aint worth using as loo roll.

Looks like the original story was updated

How Fake News Claims Dominated Reports Of Tragic Dutch Girl And Ruined Chances To Learn Real Lessons From Her Death

Dutch teenager Noa Pothoven died in a hospital bed, surrounded in her last days by friends and family who accompanied her on her final

viraltab.news

 

[famblycat]

It was false news , she apparently died at home after she stopped drinking and eating. Doctors did agree on not force feeding her but it had nothing to do with the euthanasia clinics. Her request to be euthanized was rejected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ands-girl-not-legally-euthanised-died-at-home

'...Noa told De Gelderlander newspaper in an interview in December that she had approached the clinic the previous year to ask if she could be considered for euthanasia or assisted suicide, but was told she could not.
"They consider that I am too young to die," she told the paper. "They think I should finish my trauma treatment and that my brain must first be fully grown. That lasts until your 21st birthday. It's broken me, because I can't wait that long."

...A hospital bed was set up in her parents' home and last week she refused all food and fluids. Her parents and doctors reportedly agreed not to force-feed her. Dutch medical guidelines stipulate that if a patient withholds their consent, "care providers may not provide treatment, nursing or care". '

 

[LifeIsNotFun]

It was false news , she apparently died at home after she stopped drinking and eating. Doctors did agree on not force feeding her but it had nothing to do with the euthanasia clinics. Her request to be euthanized was rejected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ands-girl-not-legally-euthanised-died-at-home

'...Noa told De Gelderlander newspaper in an interview in December that she had approached the clinic the previous year to ask if she could be considered for euthanasia or assisted suicide, but was told she could not.
"They consider that I am too young to die," she told the paper. "They think I should finish my trauma treatment and that my brain must first be fully grown. That lasts until your 21st birthday. It's broken me, because I can't wait that long."

...A hospital bed was set up in her parents' home and last week she refused all food and fluids. Her parents and doctors reportedly agreed not to force-feed her. Dutch medical guidelines stipulate that if a patient withholds their consent, "care providers may not provide treatment, nursing or care". '

I hate the Mainstream media and how they spin things.