Discussion 10 year old boy killed himself

[Myforevercharlie]

These parents also use the school for free child care, which is why Sammy was sent to school rather than being kept safe at home.

I don't know how it works in your country, but here parents get in a lot of (financial) trouble by keeping their child at home. By law kids need to attend. Homeschooling is possible here but not easy to get a permit for.


I'm so sorry Sammy...

 

[untothedepths]

I can see how his parents should have took him out, but devil's advocate it's not really that easy to relocate your kids. There could be literally hundreds of miles between schools he could attend. Private schooling costs a lot of money (even hundreds per month) and kids can be very shitty there too. Homeschooling requires at least one parent to stay at home, the curriculum costs money, and you have to make sure the child is up to date with everything. Not every parent can afford to do this, sadly. I have no idea what the laws are in their place, so they could have definitely been forced to keep him to school no matter what. Its not always as simple as taking your kid out, especially since police can and will be sent to your house if your kid is not attending school.

So, while they should have absolutely looked into removing him from the situation I'll also say that doesn't solve the problem of shitty kids, their shitty parents, and school faculty (not the teachers, their 'superiors') The school itself has way more resources, possibly, at its disposal and parents should be forced to actually try and parent their problem. Not to mention there are probably plenty of other kids being abused by the bullies that their parents don't care or simply cannot afford to change schools.

I don't like the fact that this happened, at all, and I would want change. The real answer can be everyone in this situation has a hand in what happened but that doesn't mean we should ignore the real perpetrators and enablers, either.

 

[amaluuk]

Sammy Teusch didn't die because of being bullied; he died because his parents didn't love him enough to keep him safe.

Sammy's parents are blaming everyone, including the kids who did not pick on him. Please investigate Sammy's parents for possible child abuse.

This is an opinion that I strongly feel and am surprised more people haven't pointed out. 10 year old children do not go from healthy and happy to suicidal despair overnight because of bullying. They do get depressed, very much so, but it is a very drastic leap and a lot of their pseudo tears look to me more like they realized too late what they did was wrong and are trying to find the blame in other people to make up for their own failures. If they truly tried as hard as they want people to believe they did, they would have pulled him out of school well before. There's no way this just came out of nowhere.

Edit: And judging by all of the extensive correspondence, they knew very well what was going on. 20 incidents and knowing he's hiding, literally the situation has broken down that far, and they still sent him. They better be poor as fuck because if not then they deserve to be held to account along with the school and the teachers and students who were supposed to be better but weren't. This is a great example of epic reddit suicide prevention in action where you're supposed to tell family about your feelings and your struggles, but then they don't do anything to actually help until it's too late. But then the media rolls out the red fucking carpet for them to cry about how blameless they are, and essentially they will be spending the rest of their lives trying to explain to people in some form, direct or indirect, how it wasn't their fault that their kid killed themselves (it was). This is why nobody takes suicide prevention seriously.

 

[takeyourshotfunboy]

Bullies deserve to die

 

[ConfusedClouds]

Heartbreaking. This world sucks, especially humans. Bullies usually do quite well because such behavior is rewarded, i e , CEOs, politicians, managers, etc.

This, sadly in society. And a massive increase in visible lack of accountability high up. If the 'powers' manage to avoid blame and any sentencing then what message does it send to behaviours of the masses. That you can avoid consequences if you are confident/bold enough and take advantage. Imo sadly nurture is overpowering nature with the information and environments so readily available online.

So sad to see it reaching the levels of impacting the behaviours and lives of such youngsters.

 

[UmbraDweller]

What could possibly go wrong if we forced dozens of random children to be closed in huge rooms for several hours a day for years with almost no supervision around.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What was his method?

Clearly society failed here. Circumstances made this poor guy suicidal and nobody helped him and obviously his parents were powerless. Society sucks.

 

[Linda]

That's young, but it's not the youngest. Children as young as 5 have been known to die by suicide.

 

[rozeske]

When a 10 year old kills themselves for being bullied for their appearance, with the parents and the school knowing very well about it, it's the adults that failed them big time. Sadly another kid in the area has declared to do the same in a worse way and is still being made to go to the same school that did nothing to solve the issue. It feels like a "let's see if they can actually pull it off" situation.

 

[Meteora]

@Little_Suzy ah now i get it. "Child abuse" is a strong word..... and a strong accusation too, I agree, neglect is highly abusive but his parents did care.
Also, as much as I read, they didnt blame others. I was very surprised that his father differentiated and said hes not angry at the bullies because it s their parents responsibility. He seems like a smart man, and the fact that they tried and called school over 20 times..... in my opinion shows that this is no neglect really . My "mother" wouldn t even bother calling the school.
Also the fact that the boy talked to his parents about it shows that he trusted them, I wouldn t have told my parents such things because I learned early on that they don t give a f.

I guess, Sammy's family are Christians.... maybe they felt helpless, too. Christians can have the believe that they have to endure things with Jesus' help.....
Thats no excuse, just an explanation.
His father also said that they did not have the means to send him to private school.

But I wouldn t go so far to say what you say here:

Sammy Teusch didn't die because of being bullied; he died because his parents didn't love him enough to keep him safe.

Sammy's parents are blaming everyone, including the kids who did not pick on him. Please investigate Sammy's parents for possible child abuse.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I guess, Sammy's family are Christians.... maybe they felt helpless, too. Christians can have the believe that they have to endure things with Jesus' help.....
Thats no excuse, just an explanation.

That's fucking religious bullshit that leads to nowhere but to more agony and pain if his parents really believed in that that Jesus or even god would help him ... Brainwashed people due to religious indoctrination.

 

[bramblebamblebambe]

This is so sad, I really feel for Sammy, he must have felt so alone with no one to turn to for help. His parents let him down, the school let him down. When I was bullied in school, the fact my parents or teachers did nothing was evidence to me that I was worthless and not worth protecting. The bullies and their parents are disgustingly vile and I hope they get their karma.

It makes me feel so disheartened to think of all the children right now that are going through horrible things that will lead them to kts or end up on here, the pain and suffering is not deserved, just like it wasn't for any of us when we were children.

I know it is often thought, that with a child they are so young they haven't had a chance for things to get better and although in an ideal world I would of course like this to happen, but from the sheer number of evidence from people on this site that started feeling suicidal as a child, the odds are against them. Wishful thinking and toxic positivity is ignorant to the person's suffering and how difficult it is to heal for trauma, it's invalidating and only makes people feel more isolated and suicidal. I hate how he suffered but at the same time I hope he is at peace.

 

[Meteora]

That's young, but it's not the youngest. Children as young as 5 have been known to die by suicide.

That's insane.... suicide at 5? I guess I couldn t even tie my shoes at 5....

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

So sad I hope he's in a better place now

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Teachers don't give a fuck about bullying. If I had my time back I would have dropped out and did homeschooling. That poor kid.

Sadly they truly don't care about bullying. I got bullied for a decade (which would have been 11 years if it wasn't for the covid lockdown) and not once did a teacher genuinely care. In fact some of them even blamed me when I was getting bullied. I quickly learnt that me resisting is futile because this is analogous to how human beings overall favour the strong over the weak. I learnt that my teachers not caring isn't an anomaly but rather the norm because people support those who are strong, not those who are weak. Hence why people are so eager to jump on each other in life. The saying "it's a dog eat dog world" didn't come from nowhere. This is simply life and I hate it

That's insane.... suicide at 5? I guess I couldn t even tie my shoes at 5....

I can't even tie my shoes to this day

 

[Meteora]

I can't even tie my shoes to this day

because people support those who are strong, not those who are weak.

That s very true and that is so not logical to me. Well, I start to understand, people want to feel better through connection with someone strong... Don t know. I m not like that. We have to help the "weak" ones (what is weak, anyway?) to make this world a better place. @ijustwishtodie

 

[ijustwishtodie]

This is conflicting

That s very true and that is so not logical to me. Well, I start to understand, people want to feel better through connection with someone strong... Don t know. I m not like that. We have to help the "weak" ones (what is weak, anyway?) to make this world a better place. @ijustwishtodie

It isn't logical to me either but humans aren't logical creatures at all. Humans are emotional creatures. Helping the weak sounds nice but sadly it's really difficult to do because the majority of humans don't want to help at all. In fact they'd be happy if they could go on top over the weak people. This world is almost impossible for somebody with no power to make it into a better place

 

[Meteora]

It isn't logical to me either but humans aren't logical creatures at all. Humans are emotional creatures. Helping the weak sounds nice but sadly it's really difficult to do because the majority of humans don't want to help at all. In fact they'd be happy if they could go on top over the weak people. This world is almost impossible for somebody with no power to make it into a better place

I just try to start with myself. There s not much more I / we can do. Just make sure that you behave the way you would want others to behave. That's tough. For me it is the best reference, my own feelings.

This is conflicting

Ok, but I think you understand very well that I had all those feelings at once and could not chose?

What are you studying, anyway?

 

[Beyond_Repair]

This is an opinion that I strongly feel and am surprised more people haven't pointed out. 10 year old children do not go from healthy and happy to suicidal despair overnight because of bullying. They do get depressed, very much so, but it is a very drastic leap and a lot of their pseudo tears look to me more like they realized too late what they did was wrong and are trying to find the blame in other people to make up for their own failures. If they truly tried as hard as they want people to believe they did, they would have pulled him out of school well before. There's no way this just came out of nowhere.

Edit: And judging by all of the extensive correspondence, they knew very well what was going on. 20 incidents and knowing he's hiding, literally the situation has broken down that far, and they still sent him. They better be poor as fuck because if not then they deserve to be held to account along with the school and the teachers and students who were supposed to be better but weren't. This is a great example of epic reddit suicide prevention in action where you're supposed to tell family about your feelings and your struggles, but then they don't do anything to actually help until it's too late. But then the media rolls out the red fucking carpet for them to cry about how blameless they are, and essentially they will be spending the rest of their lives trying to explain to people in some form, direct or indirect, how it wasn't their fault that their kid killed themselves (it was). This is why nobody takes suicide prevention seriously.

I suspect the same. Kids who have loving, supportive parents don't go straight to suicide. I always have this feeling when a young kid dies by suicide.

obviously I don't know this kid's family situation, but narcissistic parents are great at putting on an act and rolling out the crocodile tears when something happens and they are in the spotlight and must avoid being held accountable. They are usually the first to immediately start pointing fingers rather than think, what could I have done differently?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I've been wanting to kill myself (these monstrous cells they call a human body) for years. However They made me so scattered brained that kids can do it but I haven't been able to kill myself yet.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

even though I'm more "pro death" than a lot of other people here this is just heartbreaking, society is too cruel and innocent kids don't deserve to be harmed by ignorant peers. I hope those kids learn something from this and feel truly remorseful now

 

[Meteora]

obviously I don't know this kid's family situation, but narcissistic parents are great at putting on an act and rolling out the crocodile tears when something happens and they are in the spotlight and must avoid being held accountable. They are usually the first to immediately start pointing fingers rather than think, what could I have done differently?

Yeah thats true.... and the fact that the father speaks publicly..... maybe he needs attention himself.... hard to tell. In one interview I watched, he seemed truly devastated, though, and he questioned if his reaction and advice to his son's problems were right.

 

[iloverachel]

I have been kind of immune to hearing suicide stories (I still feel bad for them of course), but this is particularly distressing. I can' imagine being the father or mother of this young boy.

Fuck this world honestly

 

[escape_from_hell]

Heartbreaking. This world sucks, especially humans. Bullies usually do quite well because such behavior is rewarded, i e , CEOs, politicians, managers, etc.

Agree with this.
Bullies are also very successful at mating.
I sincerely believe the percentage of the population with genetic predisposition to bully ('dark triad' heritable traits) is much higher than the common estimate of 3%.
They particularly thrive in modern conditions, like plants in ideal soil with plenty of water.
Considering their high sexual success with societal privilege, plus the lack of conscience and selfishness--it would not surprise me if the majority of people being born today are dark3/bullies. We are looking at a dog-eat-dog hell-on-earth free for all soon enough. Hopefully I'll escape this realm before it gets even worse.
RIP to that kid. Way braver than I or those shitty bullies or his likely abusive parents.

 

[Pikmin]

@Kalista well, his parents could ve sent him to another school....... or refused to send him there again if nothing happens.... this school failed. They have that boy on their consicence.


Please don t pick a word an make another story out of it. Maybe watch some report, his father describes his character very well. Besides there are many pics in the above report.

Parents don't really know what's going on inside the mind of their kids. They like to think they do, but that's just not the case.

 

[hopeless08]

That fucking breaks my heart and I know people will think I'm too "pro-life" but that is a fucking failure of our society. Children have not had the capacity to commit any evil, and I hate when we don't or can't protect them. Healthy ten year olds should not be in so much pain that they even consider suicide.

Then again, I started being suicidal at 12.

I fully agree that's heartbreaking. I'd think by now after all these years there would be all measures taken to teach kids in schools about the long lasting impact bullying has on kids. That's honestly so sad to think of a ten year old in that much pain.. I hope there will be strict punishment for the bullies.
May his soul rest in peace

I'm so sorry for him and hope he's in a better place now.


I don't know what has happened on him but I experienced extreme bullying when I was 8.
Everybody - literally everybody was against me. One day I was kicked repeatedly (I guess it was about 50 times) by a gang of bullies, in front of a teacher, and she simply ignored what was happening in her classroom, because the "boss" of bully's father was an employee of highly reputable company and had a lot of influence over teachers. Every adult blamed me for being defiant, and my mom, she also had depression, even grabbed a kitchen knife and said to me, "I shall kill you."
(Note: she's not abusive now and I don't hold any grudges because it was just a kitchen knife, not a gun.)

According to her, I really hated school, and one day I refused to go to school. I said "I want to die" for the first time then.
I don't remember that at all, and I also don't know if I really wanted to die. I don't remember how I felt at that time, and I'm not sure the memories above are real, but since then I've been suicidal and fantasized about jumping off from a window in the classroom.


When I was 9, I knew about jumping and hanging and thought hanging causes agonizing suffocation so my method of choice was jumping. I chickened out every time I wanted to CTB and didn't attempt though.

But they say he CTB'ed in his bedroom. I can't imagine how he was desperate, to the point where he could complete his final act despite powerful survival instinct. I'm so sorry for him.

What you went through must of been agony. I'm so sorry I can't imagine every single kid bullying you to the point of beating you. You must of been in so much emotional pain. The teacher who stood around and watched should honte in prison. Were there any repot cautions for the bullies or the teacher?
I want to watch the video but somehow I can no longer find it on here

 

[astonishedturnip]

My suicidal thoughts started at 12 due to bullying... I understand his pain and it hurts he felt there was no escape. My middle school memories are almost entirely defined by memories of being harassed and abused every single day, from the time I got on the bus until I was able to escape back home.

Teachers and staff knew what was going on. Nobody stopped it. Some even palled around with my bullies and joined in. The admins just gave each other pitying looks, feeling bad for me for being ugly but not willing to do anything. I was always given the same lame advice to "Just ignore them" as though that ever worked. I could not escape it and even my "friends" would come up to me to report what other people were saying about me. I was in school in the 00s and it was very much the philosophy that bullying isn't so bad, it toughens you up, the bullies are probably abused at home, bullying is too hard to prove, victims are just too sensitive and want to be coddled, etc. so teachers were not very sympathetic.

I remember being so depressed when I got home that I would just cry all night. I was scared to go into school and relieved when summer break started because it means I could avoid it. I had friends who abandoned me so that they wouldn't be targeted too -- none stood up for me. Some even became my bullies themselves. I stayed as silent at possible at all times to avoid being noticed. I avoided any flashy clothes or anything that would even slightly arouse attention just to try to disappear.

I only survived because I had a good home life for the most part, and a good group of core friends, and I believed things would change. I wish he could have lived and his bullies suffered instead but I completely understand his headspace... being forced to work alongside kids without morals or a developed brain who will make your life a living hell for NO REASON other than their own sadistic amusement or to establish a pecking order.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

When i was 9 year old i overdosed on everything i had access to, i slept then only woke up after 3 days, i was shortly hospitalized after my parents realised i'm sleeping for too long and i'm not even responding, doctors said i had strong convulsions and it was so bad that they needed to tie me, even after i woke up i was having a hard time controlling my body and walking properly, being young won't make you decide to continue living when you are facing harsh times, if anything, being young and suicidal just makes you more likely to make poorly planned suicide attempts or attempt suicide on impulses

You shouldn't be surprised when you see even children can resort to suicide when life hits with full force on them, most of us probably attempted suicide when when we were children, life doesn't spare even children from facing harsh times

 

[struggles_inc]

Yeah I read that story somewhere earlier.
I still don't get why his parents didn't do anything, teachers didn't do anything, classmates don't do anything, bullies' parents didn't do anything. Society failed this little fella. Nobody knows anything nowadays and helps no one.

 

[Kalista]

Parents don't really know what's going on inside the mind of their kids. They like to think they do, but that's just not the case.

exactly. the dad is external from the kid's true feelings. you can act happy all you want, but still hide what you're truly feeling inside. the suicide is evidence enough.

The US doesn't give a crap, full stop. Teachers are paid shitty and parents are now raising kids who verbally, emotionally, and physically abuse others, including their teachers. This doesn't excuse bullying though. As unfortunate as it is you might be correct. Parents can be lazy scumbags who decided to have children but just insufferable twats. I swear to god, I'm sick and tired of people having children just because. That is a human being you are choosing to bring into the world, not just a "thing".

here in the US the teachers also bully the students. this is from first fucking hand experience and noticed it done to others. i've also seen other students jump in eventually because the teacher initiated it. you just start to feel helpless about it -- a fucking outcast.
there's immense ignorance that come from these teachers not caring about the kid's upbringing or trying to see why they do what they do. it's a responsibility a teacher should have since they're fucking teaching a somewhat blank slate of a mind. whatever that kid learns at that early age, they will fucking take it to adulthood.


i stand by what i've said about the kid being able to find peace. not many can say that in this forum. for that kid to do something like that after becoming aware, might be safe to say he was in a whole lot of fucking pain to do so. clearly the pain was too much for him and must have felt like he had no other place to go. for some to try and subject him to that pain by hoping he didn't do it is not helping either. so why the hell would we keep him around to suffer? he will never have to deal with any pain again. that's the whole damn point. the consequences of it such as the parents feeling the loss of him or people on here being sad about it is besides the point.
THE KID was feeling that immense pain -- not you, not me, not the parents. we can only ever relate.

the parents are being blamed for the failed parenting and i absolutely agree. they fucked up by trying to continue in that school. they definitely could have taken him out of that school and delayed the education for a time.
what's more important, the kid completing his classes in that school or the health of his mind?

people can hope all they want to save the child and hope he'll become 'stronger' in time, but the damage is done. you can't get rid of trauma. that shit stays with you until the end no matter what.