Discussion 10 year old boy killed himself

[BecomingTired]

About two weeks ago, a 10 year old boy, Sammy Teusch, took his own life after being bullied at school.
This is schocking and I wonder how a 10 year old learns about suicide methods.....

Why focus on how he found the suicide methods and not on what kind of bully could've led to him believing there is no future left for him to continue living... I wish sentencing for youth was far less strict

 

[Meteora]

Why focus on how he found the suicide methods and not on what kind of bully could've led to him believing there is no future left for him to continue living... I wish sentencing for youth was far less strict

You re right..... I know it is a bit irreverent to ask for the method.... it seems unimaginable to me that a boy at that age is capable of ending his own life.
The bully.... well they say in the report he got emotionally and phyisically bullied, came home with broken glasses, a broken ipad (if I got it right), scratches..... its true, the parents are kind of crazy to still send that boy there.

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

The US doesn't give a crap, full stop. Teachers are paid shitty and parents are now raising kids who verbally, emotionally, and physically abuse others, including their teachers. This doesn't excuse bullying though. As unfortunate as it is you might be correct. Parents can be lazy scumbags who decided to have children but just insufferable twats. I swear to god, I'm sick and tired of people having children just because. That is a human being you are choosing to bring into the world, not just a "thing".

People mostly have kids not because they want to be be lazy scumbag parents, but because they were lazy scumbags towards their sex lives because most children are here by accident. So they were just lazy scumbags to begin with. Some turn around given that they have another human being to be responsible for, and some only so-so, and some not at all...

 

[EternalSummer]

That fucking breaks my heart and I know people will think I'm too "pro-life" but that is a fucking failure of our society. Children have not had the capacity to commit any evil, and I hate when we don't or can't protect them. Healthy ten year olds should not be in so much pain that they even consider suicide.

Then again, I started being suicidal at 12.

Everybody should pro life, those who aren't and just encourage people to commit suicide without taking a very deep and careful look on their situation before are monstruously irresponsible.

Being pro choice means that we accept that some people would in fact have a better time being dead, but there's no fucking way we think this is a good thing. So I don't mind being that annoyingly positive person on goodbye threads, if somehow i can save someone one day it would be worth it. I try not to be to pushy and invalidade their suffering, but i would never be the one to say " hope you find peace" without being absolutely sure about their circumstances.

 

[UKscotty]

Suicide is always tragic, more so when it's kids.

Luckily it is quite rare. Hopefully the school and parents don't let it be in vain and review their Suicide prevention.

 

[justwannadip]

however he learned about the idea of suicide, it's good that he left. no matter what age a person is at, once they become aware of that choice, it's better that they make that decision. that might already be a traumatizing experience for him which will affect the rest of his life. the chances of him getting any sort of proper help against bullying is little to none. if help does arrive, it'll most likely be half-assed -- the bullying then continues anyway.
this way he can now be at peace.

and a single image of a 'happy looking person' does not equal them being happy everyday. i could smile in a picture right now but that doesn't stop me from still needing and planning to kill myself.

You're statements are just as ignorant and potentially harmful as toxic positivity and those that are completely against and don't understand suicide. You projecting you're own experience in not being able to recover from trauma or mental illness does not mean others won't. It's the same way that those with toxic positivity saying baseless statements like "it will get better" and "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem" are equally ignorant. You're taking your biased and negatively warped experience of life, which is perfectly valid btw, and projecting it as this universal truth to the point where you express that a 10 year old is "better off" for ending his life. You may hate to hear this, but many people recover from trauma, even severe traumatic events, and go on to lead healthy and fulfilling lives. Just because our issues may be deeper and there may be things that prevent us from being able to do so, does not mean it's the same for everyone else - especially a 10 year old who was robbed of the chance to experience life and potentially lead a happy one. If someone makes the decision to ctb in their 20's and up, ok, they've experienced a decent amount of life to make an informed decision based on their level of chronic suffering (assuming they've tried to recover). But a 10 year old or anyone imo who hasn't fully grown, does not have the conscious awareness, nor understanding of what they are doing.

I know you didn't intend it to be, but your comment can come across as disturbing, and this "life is hell" attitude as a truth for everyone is what contributes to giving these forums the outside perspective of being cringey cesspools of nihilistic circle jerking. Which, btw, I don't think is true. However these polarizing and ignorant beliefs don't help the cause. I also don't think you meant it that way, I think you are suffering, as we all are. I am by no means blaming you, and this goes to all of those that hold similar opinions; I just encourage you to be a little bit more open-minded and avoid absolute truths and assumptions based on your experience, and appreciate that a tremendous amount of nuance and variability exists outside of our own confines. Often, the beliefs we hold tightest are subject to having their validity demolished when experienced from a different lens.

On another note, I wish you peace and I share relation with you through you're suffering. I hope you can find comfort whether that be in life or in death, just as I wish that for myself.

 

[Onelegman]

Poor kid. He didn't deserve a fate like that. Now even children are so cruel to each other that it is hard to imagine. The heartless people who brought him to that situation should be punished, but the laws will not allow it, and it is a terrible thing. Nothing can comfort that family. This makes me angry. Bullying is one of the first things that should be focused on so that society can grow healthier and better. In no school do they teach you to understand your emotions, to cope with them or seek help, you have to wait for something to happen that forces you to take the step of seeking "professional" help and in most cases they will not solve the problem, which is already there. entrenched in your being for years.

Like many here, I also suffered bullying, at the same age as Sammy, and even today I hold a grudge against those so-called friends who did it to me. I know it's not good to maintain that hatred, but I can't help but think about what my life would have been like if that had ended. If I had the chance, I would take revenge on them today. They say a lot about "they are children, they don't know what they are doing." No, ma'am, they may be children, but they know well that they are hurting another person, and they like it, if they didn't know what they were doing, they wouldn't do it again and again and again. time. Little psychopaths, that's what society is breeding.

 

[ms_beaverhousen]

Everybody should pro life, those who aren't and just encourage people to commit suicide without taking a very deep and careful look on their situation before are monstruously irresponsible.

Being pro choice means that we accept that some people would in fact have a better time being dead, but there's no fucking way we think this is a good thing. So I don't mind being that annoyingly positive person on goodbye threads, if somehow i can save someone one day it would be worth it. I try not to be to pushy and invalidade their suffering, but i would never be the one to say " hope you find peace" without being absolutely sure about their circumstances.

I'm no Positive Pippi by any means... in fact quite the opposite, but even so I, like you, will still never be one of those who say "Hope you find peace." people. I can't support them like that. I just can't. I find something else to let them know I'm sorry they're in their predicament without lending acceptance to their choice :/

 

[failure383]

Children have not had the capacity to commit any evil

Apparently they do, otherwise he wouldn't have been bullied into suicide.

 

[Esokabat]

It tells me a lot about this forum that the most likes comment on this thread says that once they were bullied, and once they found out about suicide, that is exactly what they needed to do and they chose the best option forward.
Because no way they would have get over this childhood trauma during their lifetime.

I think I will obtain N this summer and then I will remove myself from this website.
So many broken minds here that cannot see anything positive anymore.
I personally have seen, met, countless number of human beings that got over childhood trauma and became healthy emotionally stable adults. And traumas much more serious than school bullying.

So to say that once they found out about suicide, that was the best thing they could possibly do, shows a very sick, destroyed mind that has a very narrow lense of reality and now only has the capacity to see pain, suffering and trauma. Everything else in the world somehow became invisible to them.
So sure, every child that experience trauma should just ctb.
Their comment would not bother me much (I have seen worse on this site) if it would not be the most liked comments on this thread.

I personally saw countless people overcome childhood adversity, adversity much more serious than school bullying, and ended up stronger, wiser, more powerful as adults.

I feel sorry for those who has sunken to a mental state where they can only imagine the worst, they only see darkness and shadows, they only feel pain, they only see black and no other color, they hear only cries, and cannot hear laughter, and those that only feel pain and recognize pain in others but cannot feel joy or recognize joy in others.
I am sorry for what you going through but at the same time, people sometimes get addicted to the pain, the dark thoughts, the sorrow, the hopelessness because this is what feels familiar, this is what allows me to feel the victim, this is what allows me to think that I have no self-agency, and life and my thoughts happen to me, as opposed to owning thoughts and life fully.

So yes, in this forum the comment that gets the most like is about a small child and that what a right decision he made by CTB-ing.

I feel sorry for the fact that you lost the ability to see fully, feel fully, think fully.
All the colors are black to you. All the sounds are cries to you. All the emotions are painful to you. Pain and anger. Anger and pain. More anger. More pain.
I feel sorry for you but I don't believe in victimhood. You are creating this. With practice, it becomes permanent. And you are practicing pain. And you are getting better and better at it. It is now so familiar. It becomes home, it becomes identity. And you practice more and more and all the color fade and only the color black remains, a dark night of the soul that lasts forever.
So yes, hopefully by end of summer, I will never come back to this site (but I will always remember the compassionate ones, kindness and humanity, the ones that can still see colors or if they cannot see them, at least they still remember that colors still exist)

 

[EternalSummer]

however he learned about the idea of suicide, it's good that he left. no matter what age a person is at, once they become aware of that choice, it's better that they make that decision. that might already be a traumatizing experience for him which will affect the rest of his life. the chances of him getting any sort of proper help against bullying is little to none. if help does arrive, it'll most likely be half-assed -- the bullying then continues anyway.
this way he can now be at peace.

and a single image of a 'happy looking person' does not equal them being happy everyday. i could smile in a picture right now but that doesn't stop me from still needing and planning to kill myself.

Since you seem so pessimistic and almost like an advocate for suicide to kids who have experienced bullying or trauma, why are you still here? You're free to go, and considering how long you've been around, I'm sure you know a lot of methods that could do the job. Stop being a pro-death advocate for other people. I hope you don't have any contact with children, either in this forum or outside of it. It's a completely messed-up mindset you have, and the people who liked your comment should seriously reevaluate their belief system.

 

[Cress]

When I was getting ready to enter the 3rd grade of elementary school I have a very strong memory of hysterically panicking under The kitchen table thinking that life would be too difficult to overcome and that I would pass away and be discarded by society. I guess I would have been about 7 or 8 years old. I couldn't quite conceptualize what suicide was as I was too young but I think this was the starting point of the first time I started to internalize Self harm and dying because of the difficulties of life.

From my understanding suicide at very young ages before you're a teenager is extremely rare because it's very difficult for children to mentally comprehend taking their own life. My heart goes out to family that was affected by this 10 years old is way too young to lose all hope no matter how free thinking And libertarian you are with "right to die" Ethics and morality.

If someone's reading this and we've never spoken and I guess we probably never will. I wish you nothing but the best and I hope you're able to take care of yourself. I hope you're able to overcome whatever struggles you're going through. My DMs are always open if anyone ever needs to talk.

 

[mistymoo]

@Little_Suzy ah now i get it. "Child abuse" is a strong word..... and a strong accusation too, I agree, neglect is highly abusive but his parents did care.
Also, as much as I read, they didnt blame others. I was very surprised that his father differentiated and said hes not angry at the bullies because it s their parents responsibility. He seems like a smart man, and the fact that they tried and called school over 20 times..... in my opinion shows that this is no neglect really . My "mother" wouldn t even bother calling the school.
Also the fact that the boy talked to his parents about it shows that he trusted them, I wouldn t have told my parents such things because I learned early on that they don t give a f.

I guess, Sammy's family are Christians.... maybe they felt helpless, too. Christians can have the believe that they have to endure things with Jesus' help.....
Thats no excuse, just an explanation.
His father also said that they did not have the means to send him to private school.

But I wouldn t go so far to say what you say here:

I reread what I wrote and I promise this isn't an attack on you, @Meteora !!!! My anger is completely directed towards Sammy's parents and no one on this fourm. I think this is a very interesting topic that needs as much discussion as possible on it.

I haven't read this whole thread yet but I want to jump in and say that my mom grew me up Christian. I was 9 / 10 y.os and in a public school getting bullied beyond belief. I told my parents I couldn't do it anymore and didn't want to wake up tomorrow. My Christian mom loved me enough to get me into a CATHOLIC school. She absolutely did not want me worshipping good ol' mother Mary but pushed me to do so to keep me safe.

I think my mom may have actually forged documents to even get me in there. Ofc I was still bullied but at least the catholic school systems here pay their teachers much better than the public ones so the catholic teachers actually seemed to give a shit.

I'm a firm believer that whenever a kid takes their own life after begging their parents for help, that blood is on the parents hands.

There was another story in the news of another middle aged student who took their life because of 4 bullies. The student literally documented the abuse to their parent and their parent ultimately did nothing. The bullies dad was like the principal or something so the parents said 'oop, my hands are tied. I did my best!!"
I've seen a LOT of discussion around this and time and time again I see other parents saying they would be living out of their vehicles just to move schools for their child. If someone isn't prepared to do something this extreme to save their child's life then no matter the situation they shouldn't have kids. Full stop. Imo his parents have horribly failed Sammy. I sincerely hope he's resting peacefully and free from torment