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[GreenTree]

Apparently only 1 in 25 suicide attempts actually succeed so why the fuck do we bother researching and attempting. The odds are massively against us. This life really is cruel.

 

[bed]

Most people who attempt use unreliable methods or are found too early.

 

[4eyebiped]

They are against the 24 of that 25 because they didn't plan ahead, were impulsive or made a half ass attempt because they were trying to get attention. If one is serious, they will research extensively and diligently think and plan everything out, not rush.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Apparently only 1 in 25 suicide attempts actually succeed so why the fuck do we bother researching and attempting. The odds are massively against us. This life really is cruel.

It seems like there are methods that are almost 100% successful… But obviously most people don't use these methods…

 

[GreenTree]

Reliable methods are too gruesome in my opinion. Who wants too discover someone who shot themselves. Who wants to be a train driver who kills someone. Who wants too discover a body from a jumper.

 

[Smart No More]

You can't really rely on those figures because they're compiled poorly by people with their own agenda. It's like this.... many attempts aren't serious attempts. Then there are poorly planned attempts that are serious but fail due to impulse and mistakes. On top of that there are badly chosen methods which fail more often than not. For example pills and cutting. They done usually work but are among the most commonly uses. Aocyou see the numbers don't reflect the bigger picture but publishing those figures has the effect of putting people off. As you have just discovered.

 

[GreenTree]

I can't see how anyone would attempt for attention. That's just fucked up. How can an attempt not be serious. It must be serious if they tried to die.

 

[Bone]

You answered your own question. We research and plan to make things more likely to be successful.

 

[GreenTree]

You answered your own question. We research and plan to make things more likely to be successful.

Do you reckon. How come your still here then.

 

[Bone]

Do you reckon. How come your still here then.

I am still here because I haven't consumed the lethal substance I am in posession of. Last chance at recovery and holding on at least thru holiday season for my elderly father, and I feel no need to justify that. I am confident my odds with SN are much higher than 1 in 25, which is why I haven't drank it yet. I understand it's frustrating to have a shit life and bad odds for CTB stacked against you, but research and planning maximizes odds of success. The odds that are published are the general populace, not the SS member/lurker population. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world CTB every year. I am confident in my odds of success when my time comes.

 

[Elri]

Apparently only 1 in 25 suicide attempts actually succeed so why the fuck do we bother researching and attempting. The odds are massively against us. This life really is cruel.

I had two attempts when i was much younger and it failed obviously for example acetaminophen overdose which we all know is most of the time fail i was a kid i just took what we had because it was impulsive and not even enough and i was uneducated. but my last attempt failed not because of the attempt itself, because of my family finding me and reviving me ... I was blacked out very quickly cause i used the right dosage of everything and i didn't vomit but i was found unresponsive in my room too fast cause my mom came back home suddenly. Doctors told my mom that your daughter really wanted to die and researched it since it doesn't look like an ordinary overdose, I've collected a lot of drugs that you can't find over the counter it was a four months long plan , he also said i could die in an hour if i wasn't found. All of that being said, most of attempts fail cause they're half ass or bad timing. So make a good plan guys and don't be found

 

[Laowaiboss]

That's because the immense majority of CTB attempts are people overdosing on OTC pills which pretty much never works. Extremely few people outside of this website know about SN as being a reliable and easily obtainable CTB methods. Most people reproduce what they saw on TV or in movies which is people overdosing on OTC pills.

 

[Someone123]

Apparently only 1 in 25 suicide attempts actually succeed so why the fuck do we bother researching and attempting. The odds are massively against us. This life really is cruel.

According to a Harvard Study called "Lethality of Suicide Methods", which you can easily find by searching for the title, 82.5% of firearms attempts work to ctb, suffocation/hanging is 61.4%, drugs or poison is 1.5%, and cutting is 1.2%. So this show why researching methods is so important. This is for the years 1989 - 1997 in the U.S. However, partial hanging is much less reliable than full suspension, so this really should be separated out. Also poison must be a lot higher in recent years due to sn. But research is the key to improving these odds greatly. Jumping off the golden gate bridge is about 99%, but it is almost impossible t jump there due t patrols- and once the net is finished this method will be gone. Right now they are down to 1 jumper every 2 weeks out of many every day who likely go there to try. But if you can find another bridge 220 feet or more over water this would very likely get the same results. So reseacrh is important- especially for fairly complicated methods like sn- there is a lot that can be done to improve your chances.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

@Someone123 i wouldn't say SN is complicated

 

[Dot]

Bc lts of ppl tke 20 paractml & cll it an attmpt.

 

[liberty_222]

Ikr I've done this before and failed like obviously a thirteen year old trying to ctb with limited resources is going to fail right.

Bc lts of ppl tke 20 paractml & cll it an attmpt.

 

[Dot]

Ikr I've done this before and failed like obviously a thirteen year old trying to ctb with limited resources is going to fail right.

Yh..smtmes it ds wrk in yngr ppl b/ mst of th tme it wont & gts inclded in statstcs.

Srry u flt lke tht @ 13 thgh...

 

[liberty_222]

Yh..smtmes it ds wrk in yngr ppl b/ mst of th tme it wont & gts inclded in statstcs.

Srry u flt lke tht @ 13 thgh...

It's okay. I guess I was built different. I never really was normal as such. I did overdose on ibuprofen and i went to sleep. I woke up with a headache and nauseous and then I started throwing up. I eventually told my parents what was wrong so I was taken to the hospital and my stomach was pumped. Weirdly, i was aware about the existence of N and PPH even back then. But information back then was much more scarce.

 

[FromGermany]

45 % CTB by hanging.

10 % CTB by jumping.

The failure rate is also so high, because most attempts with any medications or slash the wrist do not work.

The most attempted method is medication overdose. The numbers are so high, that even with the high failure rate it's still on place three of most done CTB after hanging and jumping.

This official statistic applies to Germany, but for many countries there is no big difference I believe.

 

[blueclover_.]

People drink 3 bottles of kool-aid and call it an attempt. Of course it's gonna fail since most suicidal people don't have access to the informations needed for a successful hanging or other methods. When i was a kid i thought i could go by full suspension, now i'm glad i didn't cuz it would've been a failed attempt or a painful death because i didn't have the knowledge to make it work efficiently.

 

[Someone123]

@Someone123 i wouldn't say SN is complicated

To do sn according to all the protocols in stan's guide, which seems to give people the best chance, gets complicated. After months of looking at various optons I was finally able to get a legal prescription for meto, which is very helpful for not vomiting and ruining the attempt. If a person could get benzos such as valium, which is also recommended, this would also help, but it is very unlikely that I will be able to get this. So acquring all the items that give you the best chance for it to work seems to get complicated for people. Based on a lot of posts, most people make some compromises with the method, with varying resullts, so it seems complicated to me. Plus then the location gets complicated unless you have a house to yourself- a hotel room on a quiet night might be more private than an apartment, and for people not to hear you helps your chances, but you run the risk of puking all over and not feeling well enough to clean it up. So as a practical matter, when you dig into the details, it seems complicated to me.

 

[FuneralCry]

After all many people have succeeded, which shows it is possible. I believe knowledge and planning of the method is needed for it to be successful. Nobody should have to resort to methods that could fail in the first place, we all deserve the option of euthanasia but the problem is the society that tries to force us to live.

 

[Someone123]

45 % CTB by hanging.

10 % CTB by jumping.

The failure rate is also so high, because most attempts with any medications or slash the wrist do not work.

The most attempted method is medication overdose. The numbers are so high, that even with the high failure rate it's still on place three of most done CTB after hanging and jumping.

This official statistic applies to Germany, but for many countries there is no big difference I believe.

With hanging especially it confuses things that partial hanging and full suspension are lumped together, since partial seems to fail most of the time, based on posts here, and full suspension seems to work most of the time unless discovered by someone else and pulled down in time.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

To do sn according to all the protocols in stan's guide, which seems to give people the best chance, gets complicated. After months of looking at various optons I was finally able to get a legal prescription for meto, which is very helpful for not vomiting and ruining the attempt. If a person could get benzos such as valium, which is also recommended, this would also help, but it is very unlikely that I will be able to get this. So acquring all the items that give you the best chance for it to work seems to get complicated for people. Based on a lot of posts, most people make some compromises with the method, with varying resullts, so it seems complicated to me. Plus then the location gets complicated unless you have a house to yourself- a hotel room on a quiet night might be more private than an apartment, and for people not to hear you helps your chances, but you run the risk of puking all over and not feeling well enough to clean it up. So as a practical matter, when you dig into the details, it seems complicated to me.

I would say Stan's guide makes it more comfortable, not necessarily more successful. Even meclizine works as an AE if one is not able to obtain meto or domp. Everyone has access to paracetamol and antacids. Benzos and propranolol are more of a luxury, though aren't impossible to obtain. And a second glass after vomiting pretty much guarantees death. It's just about overcoming SI

 

[miserableforever]

Apparently only 1 in 25 suicide attempts actually succeed so why the fuck do we bother researching and attempting. The odds are massively against us. This life really is cruel.

How does one fail using SN with some sort of preparations?
I understand jumping might be risky, cutting etc too.
But drinking poison with a backup glass..

 

[Quiet Desperation]

The more telling statistic is that one of the best predictors of a successful suicide is a previous attempt.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

How does one fail using SN with some sort of preparations?
I understand jumping might be risky, cutting etc too.
But drinking poison with a backup glass..

You can't. Only ones who fail are those who call for help, get saved, or don't use a backup glass

 

[miserableforever]

You can't. Only ones who fail are those who call for help, get saved, or don't use a backup glass

Yeah. And it's understandable. Death isn't easy.

 

[dss262]

You can't really rely on those figures because they're compiled poorly by people with their own agenda. It's like this.... many attempts aren't serious attempts. Then there are poorly planned attempts that are serious but fail due to impulse and mistakes. On top of that there are badly chosen methods which fail more often than not. For example pills and cutting. They done usually work but are among the most commonly uses. Aocyou see the numbers don't reflect the bigger picture but publishing those figures has the effect of putting people off. As you have just discovered.

When I was looking looking into the CO method there were a few sites that claimed it was a long, torturous way to die. They skew the truth to discourage people from doing it.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Yeah. And it's understandable. Death isn't easy.

I find it a bit strange though. People do all that prep work for SN. And they have more than enough to prepare a second glass. I'm sure most are aware their chances of vomiting are high, even with an AE. So why not prepare the second glass?