Method 1,4-Butanediol + SN

[Cloudy]

I'm (more than) ok with the idea of dying, while I'm not as much of a fan of the possible pain associated with it.
So while SN seems to be an effective, cheap and easily attainable method, it doesn't struck me as painless, so I was thinking: what about taking some 1,4 Butanediol first?
How long does 1,4 Butanediol usually take to bring loss of consciousness?
My idea would be to do an anti emetic regime to avoid puking, take a substantial dose of 1,4 Butanediol - maybe even enough to kill me anyway - in grape juice, swiftly followed (how swiftly?? times??) by a glass of SN dissolved in water, so that I will be out of it before any pain from the SN could kick in.
I have read that grape juice enhances the potency of 1,4 Butanediol.
What do you reckon? Overkill?
I'm also on a bunch of meds (seroquel = quetiapine, depakin = valproic acid sodium, zoloft = sertraline SSRIs, lithium....fml) and I was wondering if there's any potential interaction and pitfalls I should be aware of/avoid.
Thanks for reading and for any suggestion you might have.

 

[Throwaway9787]

I think the 1,4 b will take time to kick in so it wont help much. Maybe use an opiate with 1,4 b instead of SN.

 

[Cloudy]

Thanks for the reply. I thought about 1,4 Butanediol because it's legal, cheap and it doesn't require a prescription. I'm afraid I can't say the same about opiates (I so wish that wasn't the case though!)

 

[jake3d]

Seroquel has a potentially bad interaction with metoclopramide, so use domperidone as your antiemetic. If you need something to knock you out, a box of short-acting benzos like Xanax or Ativan is your best bet. Crush the pills and mix that in with your SN.

If you can't get benzos, just swallow a bunch of seroquel pills since you already have it - as far as I know, that stuff knocks you out hard and it is also a dopamine blocker so it will potentiate the antiemetic. Win-win.

 

[pane]

Cloudy I don't think anyone will be able to help to the degree you'd like because of the following reasons:

1) 1,4 Butanediol is an untested substance for suicide. I don't know of anyone here on SS who's successfully killed himself with it and I haven't seen anyone post scientific articles discussing suicides from drinking it.

2) There could be a potentially bad reaction between 1,4 Butanediol and SN where you survive and wind up worse off than you are now. Again as best I know there's no really solid info about using 1,4 Butanediol alone or with other substances to commit suicide.

3) You're taking multiple RX drugs and again no one knows how any or all of them react with 1,4 B and/or SN.

 

[Throwaway9787]

She can get etizolam easily from india and other more powerful designer benzos from china.

 

[Cloudy]

Seroquel has a potentially bad interaction with metoclopramide, so use domperidone as your antiemetic. If you need something to knock you out, a box of short-acting benzos like Xanax or Ativan is your best bet. Crush the pills and mix that in with your SN.

If you can't get benzos, just swallow a bunch of seroquel pills since you already have it - as far as I know, that stuff knocks you out hard and it is also a dopamine blocker so it will potentiate the antiemetic. Win-win.

Thanks, that's exactly the kind of info I'm after, you're a star!

Cloudy I don't think anyone will be able to help to the degree you'd like because of the following reasons:

1) 1,4 Butanediol is an untested substance for suicide. I don't know of anyone here on SS who's successfully killed himself with it and I haven't seen anyone post scientific articles discussing suicides from drinking it.

2) There could be a potentially bad reaction between 1,4 Butanediol and SN where you survive and wind up worse off than you are now. Again as best I know there's no really solid info about using 1,4 Butanediol alone or with other substances to commit suicide.

3) You're taking multiple RX drugs and again no one knows how any or all of them react with 1,4 B and/or SN.

I see, thanks for the reply.

1) That's a pity, I've read a bunch of threads and multiple articles about accidental deaths; I wish there was more info on using it as a suicide agent.

2) Mmm, that's scary, but I don't see how I could wind up worse than dead. Do you mean that they could interact so that I don't die, but get brain damage instead or something along these lines?

3) Should I quit them before attempting CBT to avoid interactions? I know that they stay in your system for some time, but I haven't really researched how long for though. Is anyone else on the forum on similar meds and has any findings regarding interactions/procedure?

She can get etizolam easily from india and other more powerful designer benzos from china.

Thank you, I'll look into it. Btw I'm not a she ;)

 

[pane]

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1) That's a pity, I've read a bunch of threads and multiple articles about accidental deaths; I wish there was more info on using it as a suicide agent.

2) Mmm, that's scary, but I don't see how I could wind up worse than dead. Do you mean that they could interact so that I don't die, but get brain damage instead or something along these lines?

3) Should I quit them before attempting CBT to avoid interactions? I know that they stay in your system for some time, but I haven't really researched how long for though. Is anyone else on the forum on similar meds and has any findings regarding interactions/procedure?
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1) I wish so too. It sounds like it could work very well if only we knew more about it.

2) Yes that's what I meant.

3) I can't answer this question because I have no medical knowledge. Sorry.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Cloudy I don't think anyone will be able to help to the degree you'd like because of the following reasons:

1) 1,4 Butanediol is an untested substance for suicide. I don't know of anyone here on SS who's successfully killed himself with it and I haven't seen anyone post scientific articles discussing suicides from drinking it.

It's a GHB prodrug and there are articles discussing death from GHB/GBL, and about 1-4B ingestion. There ARE some documented deaths but the substance alone can't kill you most of the time. Any deaths that occurred were due to exacerbating existing severe sleep apnea, or aspirating vomit, which you'd have the same chances of with falling asleep while drunk. Other deaths were always combined with opiates and often benzos, with the opiate levels high enough to be the sole cause of death.

I agree about the risks mixing with SN, too. Drug interactions in the human body can be unpredictable

 

[jake3d]

SN isn't a drug, it's a poison. There is only one antidote for it and that's methylene blue. The only problematic interaction I would see is if they were taking any stimulants as these can prolong the time before loss of conciousness. None of the medications presented above are stimulants.

 

[cornflowerblue]

SN isn't a drug, it's a poison. There is only one antidote for it and that's methylene blue. The only problematic interaction I would see is if they were taking any stimulants as these can prolong the time before loss of conciousness. None of the medications presented above are stimulants.

That's really just a semantic difference. It's a chemical and chemicals react with each other. I wouldn't worry about something making SN ineffective, but some combos may increase discomfort.

 

[Longman]

I don't know of anyone here on SS who's successfully killed himself with it

@Toenditall used butanediol + SN.

 

[pane]

@Toenditall used butanediol + SN.

Thank you for posting that.

 

[RayoSinSol]

So is there any update at all on the specific effect of taking butanediol and SN together?

I just want to know if it's possible it might cause any kind of extra pain or discomfort.

 

[GerMann]

Forget it, you will puke it in this combo, butaniol anal and SN oral could be possible. But there are better Morphins for that.

 

[Aap]

Taking an acidic drink in close proximity to SN isn't a great idea. If you take it an ancient man will tell you that you have chosen...poorly