Discussion WWYD if CTB becomes inaccessible, impractical, or (almost) impossible?

[TAW122]

Just recently, something has come to mind and I too was once like most of us, pro-choicers on here, simply wanting to vent and wanting to exit sentience (suffering). Therefore, I can somehow relate to why there are a lot of people who aren't as eager to take the fight to the pro-lifers or rise up to engage in activism as the responses in my thread regarding taking action against prolifers has shown as well as another thread talking about similar things.

However, it does raise some interesting questions, mostly out of curiosity and ponderance. As time continues on, pro-lifers are becoming more dystopian and are cracking down on more and more viable methods such that it becomes either too costly, impractical, inaccessible, or just too difficult in general. Obviously, there will never be a time where CTB becomes literally impossible (unless immortality and resurrection of sentience becomes a reality - though that is a different topic altogether), but it will become so difficult that the chances of that would be almost like winning the lottery in terms of odds of a successful attempt.

In the event that such a reality was to come to pass, how would you react? Would you just become trapped in an existence that you do not want until natural causes or other causes of death that isn't self-inflicted? Would you turn to become a pro-lifer because you wouldn't be able to be pro-choice and forced to live? Would you constantly try to CTB (even though your chances are close to zero or very low that it is infeasible to do so)? Or (insert action) what would you do?

I know I would never become a pro-lifer, but (theoretically) speaking, if I couldn't die and all feasible, reliable means have been taken away from me, I'd most likely live the most mimimal, rebellious lifestyle I could and hope that I could be as pain and suffering free as possible until end of time. Also, while I'm at it, I would constantly object to the necessities and forced sentience that was imposed upon me, refusing to yield to pro-life oppression, maybe try to gain more than I give since I never chose life but life (sentience) was imposed on me, therefore, I would assume my birthright to be a leech.

 

[Mofreeko]

Rope will always exist. Not my preferred method but I would do it if there was nothing else.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Probably keep surviving and trying to improve my situation somehow. Also I think about the people I love. I don't think SN as a method is going away though it just might be harder and harder to keep/acquire.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Pretty sure charcoal will always exist, too. Tents aren't going anywhere, either. And in the US, at least, I highly doubt 300+ million guns are going to just suddenly disappear. Furthermore, I have great confidence that new methods will come about to replace those lost through actions of the anti-choice crowd.

 

[tinkatonshammer]

obviously this will never happen, BUT if it was truly impossible to CTB i would probably spend my time trying to improve my state of being by whatever means necessary

 

[CTB Dream]

Needd ctb no matter

 

[Wannagonow]

I would likely live out an even more miserable life than I do now. I would never stop searching for a way to exit.

 

[snowman626]

i voted "other". even if i was forced to live i will not participate in the way society wants me to. i would pack some things and travel deep into the wilderness and remove myself from society. i will live as a hermit in seclusion. to me this will be the only acceptable alternative.

i would live on bare minimum supplies. i just need a tent, some blankets, some clothes. for food i would bring a bunch of things that lasts such as dried potatoes, rice, oatmeal, and nuts. i would prepare about 1yr worth of food at a time, find a spot in the woods to hang it up. once i run out of food i would travel back into civilization to buy more.

id try to save up as much money as possible beforehand so that i can afford food for the rest of my life as a hermit without needing to rejoin society and work for money. i think something around $25,000 would be good. the food i eat would be cheap. i can get a 40lb rice for $40 that would last months. dried potatoes and oatmeal are nutritious and cheap. eating this way i wouldn't need more than $50 a month, probably even less than that, so $500/yr would suffice. so the $25,000 would last me at least 30+ years at which point id probably be dead.

besides food there are smaller expenses that will seldom come up, for example new clothes, lighters to make a fire to cook the rice, water filters, maybe bear spray, etc. but the $25,000 should cover it for decades to come. also i could probably put the majority of that $25,000 in a GIC account and earn enough interest to sustain myself indefinitely. lets say i put $20,000 of that in a GIC account with 3.5% interest annually, that's $700/yr, so if my budget is $500/yr then i'll definitely be able to sustain myself on that indefinitely.

for entertainment i could bring with me a bunch of books, paper and pen, learn to draw, bring a guitar or harmonica, maybe some yarn to knit, and other little things. maybe id bring some buddhist books and learn about that, become a monk even and chant mantras for hours and hours a day to pass the time.

i would need to find a good spot in the wilderness first, and then move these supplies there, and it might take several trips. id probably wanna find a cave or something, but as long as i have a big tent i should be okay. id want a big tent also because i can store some of the things in there, like the books, the clothes, and whatever else.

so i would just live my life alone and secluded like that, until i die of disease, accident, get eaten by a bear, or other causes. i will never work at a job, never deal with society and bullshit

 

[TAW122]

I enjoyed the responses by others here, and so far, it seems like most people will continue to find other methods, try other things until they succeed. I differ slightly in that regard because if I find something that have less than ideal prospects of success, I would not risk failure along with the consequences of failure if that was the only I had left. I also have a different mindset when it comes to decision making than others (not that it's right or wrong) but that's another point altogether.

Rope will always exist. Not my preferred method but I would do it if there was nothing else.

True, there are many applications (practical and useful ones) for ropes in general. However, it would depend on the rope, the availability of structures that allow the use of said rope, and one's skill in using rope (both partial and full).

Probably keep surviving and trying to improve my situation somehow. Also I think about the people I love. I don't think SN as a method is going away though it just might be harder and harder to keep/acquire.

Yeah, maybe it wouldn't be outright banned (maybe in some areas, but not as a whole), but it would certainly be much harder to acquire, making it almost impractical or prohibitive for most people. (Similar to how most people do not have 10K euros or so and also meet the criteria for Dignitas in Switzerland for instance).

Pretty sure charcoal will always exist, too. Tents aren't going anywhere, either. And in the US, at least, I highly doubt 300+ million guns are going to just suddenly disappear. Furthermore, I have great confidence that new methods will come about to replace those lost through actions of the anti-choice crowd.

Indeed, and the question for those new (undiscovered) methods would be a matter of effectiveness, availability, and practicality. Hopefully it will meet all those 3 major criteria (effective, available, and practical) in order for people to reasonable, feasibly obtain said method(s).

obviously this will never happen, BUT if it was truly impossible to CTB i would probably spend my time trying to improve my state of being by whatever means necessary

Not a bad choice and if such a reality was to come to pass, then I would hope you are able to find peace on your terms.

Needd ctb no matter

Sorry to hear that you feel that way.

I would likely live out an even more miserable life than I do now. I would never stop searching for a way to exit.

I applaud your tenacity, and maybe it couldn't be helped as the SI (survival instinct) is such a monster to overcome. I would hope that you are able to find your peace even in the most dire of situations.

i voted "other". even if i was forced to live i will not participate in the way society wants me to. i would pack some things and travel deep into the wilderness and remove myself from society. i will live as a hermit in seclusion. to me this will be the only acceptable alternative.

i would live on bare minimum supplies. i just need a tent, some blankets, some clothes. for food i would bring a bunch of things that lasts such as dried potatoes, rice, oatmeal, and nuts. i would prepare about 1yr worth of food at a time, find a spot in the woods to hang it up. once i run out of food i would travel back into civilization to buy more.

id try to save up as much money as possible beforehand so that i can afford food for the rest of my life as a hermit without needing to rejoin society and work for money. i think something around $25,000 would be good. the food i eat would be cheap. i can get a 40lb rice for $40 that would last months. dried potatoes and oatmeal are nutritious and cheap. eating this way i wouldn't need more than $50 a month, probably even less than that, so $500/yr would suffice. so the $25,000 would last me at least 30+ years at which point id probably be dead.

besides food there are smaller expenses that will seldom come up, for example new clothes, lighters to make a fire to cook the rice, water filters, maybe bear spray, etc. but the $25,000 should cover it for decades to come.

for entertainment i could bring with me a bunch of books, paper and pen, learn to draw, bring a guitar or harmonica, maybe some yarn to knit, and other little things. maybe id bring some buddhist books and learn about that, become a monk even and chant mantras for hours and hours a day to pass the time.

i would need to find a good spot in the wilderness first, and then move these supplies there, and it might take several trips. id probably wanna find a cave or something, but as long as i have a big tent i should be okay. id want a big tent also because i can store some of the things in there, like the books, the clothes, and whatever else.

so i would just live my life alone and secluded like that, until i die of disease, accident, get eaten by a bear, or other causes. i will never work at a job, never deal with society and bullshit

Yeah, personally I don't conform to society as well as how it operates and wants me to live. I live on my own terms and define my own metrics (for the most part), besides the normal necessities (holding down a job, making money, getting basic needs, etc.). I like your idea of living off the grid, into the wilderness. I too, have thought about that, though in order to do that I would need to learn basic survival and sustainability skills. I used to play video games and do many other things that are a part of civilization, but not nearly as much as I once did. I don't mind the seclusion though realistically, like at some point (similar to what you mentioned) I would need to (temporarily) return to civilization to replenish my supplies and what not.

Alternatively, for me, I don't mind living a semi-NEET lifestyle, just enough to sustain myself and minimum interaction with the world and just living about my own life. Basically a job that pays enough to live somewhat kind of comfortably, retain some semblance of acceptable physical and mental health, and then not be bothered by people, just enjoying the solitude of a solitary lifestyle. I might still push for legalizing and expanding voluntary euthanasia as that is one of my passions and hopes to see in the future (whether it happens in my lifetime or not).

 

[Himalayan]

There's no scenario where Ctb is impossible. Fr, most of us could die in a hour, if we were in despair. Drowning, free fall, hanging. The thing is that we don't like these ideas. Unless you're in a straight jacket, but then you can really do much. Ctb when they let you out, maybe?

 

[FuneralCry]

At least in my case, I already have a hard enough time with planning to die right now. This pro suffering and torture world that we exist in certainly makes ctb potentially so difficult for us. But if the only options for ctb were basically guaranteed to fail, I would fear attempting as I wouldn't wish to end up worse off with damage. The fear of failure already scares me enough right now.

The way that I see it though, the only thing close to a relief is that no matter the circumstances and availability of methods, death is what we are all intended for and none of this could last forever. Continuing to exist is only delaying the inevitable. But that doesn't take away from the fact that existing until old age is beyond horrifying and disturbing to me and I could never face it, no matter what. I would have to find a way to be gone long before then.

 

[resolutory]

'Become a leech in the system and just do the bare minimum until time's end'

That's what I already do now.

 

[Hirokami]

It sounds like a scenario where we live in a totalitarian hyper-surveillance state. I can only imagine cameras being everywhere, including inside our homes. The Gestapo would be on every corner, ready to detain if the cameras detect "suspicious" behavior. More humane methods, such as SN, would be a lot more difficult to attempt let alone obtain in the first place. Even more brutal methods like a knife to the neck would prove to be challenging, given how sharp objects would be scarce (if not completely banned). Though, anything can be a weapon in the most capable hands.

Trying to circumvent such a system would be mentally taxing on those already suffering, including myself. My answer would very much depend on how well I could cope. At my worst, my SI would become near non-existent and I would try even the most odious methods; it doesn't help that I would live in an even more toxic society. At my best, I'll probably live as a husk and do the bare minimum. I doubt such a society would ever legalize voluntary euthanasia (except for maybe terminal physical illness).

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Hopefully it will meet all those 3 major criteria (effective, available, and practical)

I'd add a forth criteria and that is PAINLESS. Or, as near to painless as possible.

 

[TAW122]

There's no scenario where Ctb is impossible. Fr, most of us could die in a hour, if we were in despair. Drowning, free fall, hanging. The thing is that we don't like these ideas. Unless you're in a straight jacket, but then you can really do much. Ctb when they let you out, maybe?

Well literally speaking yes, but I do mention that it becomes so impractical and infeasible that it is near impossible, then it would be very very difficult (even for very determined individuals) to CTB. I was focused more on the general case not the special cases where one has extreme determination such that they even overcome the strongest of SI.

It sounds like a scenario where we live in a totalitarian hyper-surveillance state. I can only imagine cameras being everywhere, including inside our homes. The Gestapo would be on every corner, ready to detain if the cameras detect "suspicious" behavior. More humane methods, such as SN, would be a lot more difficult to attempt let alone obtain in the first place. Even more brutal methods like a knife to the neck would prove to be challenging, given how sharp objects would be scarce (if not completely banned). Though, anything can be a weapon in the most capable hands.

Trying to circumvent such a system would be mentally taxing on those already suffering, including myself. My answer would very much depend on how well I could cope. At my worst, my SI would become near non-existent and I would try even the most odious methods; it doesn't help that I would live in an even more toxic society. At my best, I'll probably live as a husk and do the bare minimum. I doubt such a society would ever legalize voluntary euthanasia (except for maybe terminal physical illness).

That makes sense. I read somewhere that if someone suffers enough that even the most odious and desperate methods would be viable to them given such a predicament. As far as a society legalizing voluntary euthanasia, I think there might be some places (Canada, Netherlands, Oceania, and other European and South American countries) that expand the criteria for voluntary euthanasia for those who are suffering, like instead of only terminally ill, the chronically ill and other similar suffering (like MAID in Canada).

I'd add a forth criteria and that is PAINLESS. Or, as near to painless as possible.

I would too, though I'd assume it would be part of being 'practical'. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I would too, though I'd assume it would be part of being 'practical'. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

To me, practical doesn't equal painless, necessarily. They're separate criteria. Of course, YMMV.