Writing on SaSu as a crime

[Sakura.]

Where I live, encouraging someone to commit suicide or helping them do so is a crime and can result in many years in prison. So potentially giving someone advice on SaSu or even writing kind words in Good Bye Threads is a crime for which I may be held criminally liable.

How is it in your countries? What do you think about such regulations?

 

[Dark Window]

I think encouraging people to commit suicide should be a crime. That should be your decision alone.

But I believe there's nothing wrong with providing people with information. What they choose to do is up to them, all we do is allow them a place to vent and provide them with information which is freely available elsewhere on the internet.

 

[crystal_meth97]

I had a situation on this forum and I had to seek legal advice online because I got paranoid and I was confused about the law. I'm not going to go into details because I want privacy and I just got out of that situation, but it was quite dangerous. Where I live, which is an EU country, just talking about suicide with other people here is not a crime, it doesn't count as encouraging suicide. If you meet with someone and provide them with a means to commit suicide, then yes, that's assisting suicide and it can have legal repercussions. Just talking about it won't cause trouble. I had a lawyer explain it to me. Also, giving information about CTB methods is also not a crime as long as you're not actively encouraging the person to do it. That's how it is where I live, the law may be different in your case.

 

[sammiechzxv]

I don't think there are many laws against it here

 

[rozeske]

Be careful of encouraging suicide here or anywhere. Yes it is a crime in most places and against the rules on this site too.

 

[Sakura.]

I think encouraging people to commit suicide should be a crime. That should be your decision alone.

Be careful of encouraging suicide here or anywhere. Yes it is a crime in most places and against the rules on this site too.

I agree that when a person does not want to commit suicide, encouraging them to do so should be a crime.

In the case of my country, however, potentially any conversation with a person in mental crisis that does not involve discouraging him from committing suicide may be interpreted by law enforcement agencies as encouraging him to commit suicide. For example, providing information to commit suicide to a specific person who needs the information. Wishing a person a peaceful death when they have almost decided to do so is potentially also encouraging suicide.

Moreover, it is also a crime to fail to provide assistance to a person whose life is in immediate danger. Therefore, if someone knows that a given person wants to commit/is committing suicide, but does not try to prevent it, does not inform the emergency services or the police to prevent it, he or she also commits a crime.

 

[willitpass]

Encouraging suicide is against forum rules, and in many countries illegal as well. Talking about suicide isn't illegal in most places. The grey area comes in with giving advice on methods. Depending on the circumstances and your country, it may or may not be considered encouragement. It also is a grey area as far as morals go. Whether or not you find it morally wrong is your own opinion. I personally avoid giving advice on how to execute methods because it makes me highly uncomfortable, I only tell people when what they're doing is unlikely to work and likely to be painful as I don't want people to go through unnecessary suffering. This site has been banned in many countries, however I don't know if that translates to it being illegal to access in those countries or not.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Unless you're an expert, most of what people discuss here is already on here in a megathread some place. Or, that's the impression I get. The majority of us probably don't know too much more than what we have picked up here or, similar sites. I guess there are one or two experts in pharmaceuticals who occassionally share advice but I actually doubt many of us could get access to those drugs anyhow. So in a way, there's not a massive need to discuss methods if it concerns you. I think talking about ideas theoretically is ok-ish too.

I think the big no no's are talking someone through a method as they are doing it and obviously- bullying or encouraging someone to do it. Ironically, I think that happens more on regular social media.

Really though- saying that you hope someone finds peace on a goodbye thread also means- I hope you make peace with your decision. Which can include the decision to abort the attempt and keep living. That's how I see it anyway. It's not like I wish death on people. I just want them to be free of their suffering and to be free to make the choice on what form that takes themselves.

 

[evannave]

Encouraging someone to commit suicide is honestly a vague description. There is no crime in providing factual information on methods, but coercing someone into ending their own life definitely should be a crime. Some are more susceptible to manipulation, so there has to be some protections in order to prevent deaths. Suicide needs to be a well thought out, justified ending of ones own life.

 

[kvsvenky100]

Encouraging someone to commit suicide is honestly a vague description. There is no crime in providing factual information on methods, but coercing someone into ending their own life definitely should be a crime. Some are more susceptible to manipulation, so there has to be some protections in order to prevent deaths. Suicide needs to be a well thought out, justified ending of ones own life.

Prevent deaths? Everyone is going to die.

 

[evannave]

Prevent deaths? Everyone is going to die.

prevent deaths of those who are easily coerced. for example, someone with autism who's mental capability is lower than a neurotypical person. There's multiple cases of police extracting confessions from young/neurodivergent people due to stress and coercion.

 

[4am]

don't know, don't care, literally nobody cares about some random website, if you're so paranoid just use a vpn

 

[Silent Raindrops]

I'm all for people deciding when to end their life, but I will not encourage them to do it, that is a choice you, and only you, can make.

In the US, it is illegal to assist with a suicide, and you can be charged with murder. This is why making a pact with someone is complicated. If you and I make a pact, and you die and I don't, I suffer from those legal consequences.

don't know, don't care, literally nobody cares about some random website, if you're so paranoid just use a vpn

Maybe normal people don't care about some random website, but since the suicide of a young girl that visited this site a few years ago, it has been plastered all over the news, and a lot of people have been working to get this site shut down.

Also, the VPN won't mean anything when you ctb and leave the website open, like she did.