Would your 'best case scenario' save you do you think?

  • Yes

    Votes: 54 50.0%
  • No

    Votes: 31 28.7%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 23 21.3%

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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Does anyone feel like they either got what they always wanted or, even if they did get what they always wanted, they might still not be happy? Sometimes, I wonder if that's the ultimate test. Like- if you're still not happy after getting what you wanted (pretty much,) where else is there left to go?

Someone asked me what my ideal job would be the other day. At one point, I would have been ecstatic that someone might actually consider paying me to do the thing I wanted to do the most. Maybe it's because I know that isn't realistic. But, I suppose I thought- I've actually kind of got what I wanted but now, I'm simply tired of all of it and I just want out.

Maybe it's because the very best case scenario often isn't exactly feasible. You may get your dream job but you have to work all hours to keep it. You may fall in love but they might be with someone else. Maybe it's because life rarely goes entirely to plan. Even the really good things in life carry problems and you just start to think- I can't be arsed with any of this anymore!

Does your level headedness or pessimism/ cynicism stop you from running away with 'best case' scenarios? Do yours actually seem feasible? I suppose it's the not being sure that plays a part in keeping people here. I feel like I'm pretty sure that my best case scenario would bring with it too many other problems for me to be happy.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
4,858
I'd still want to be dead even if I had the best case scenario since my issue would still be with existence itself and how suffering is inherent to existence
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,821
Even if I had the best case scenario, I don't think (at least in the long run) I would just stick around. Maybe I'll hold on a little bit longer, but it all depends on the situation and there are many factors that go into it. I know I will never relinquish the right to die as an option for as long as there are possibilities for endless (and senseless) suffering, be it natural causes, old age, disease, debility, and infirmity. Maybe in the short to mid term if I "got what I really wanted and succeeded, aka fulfilling my goals or something", then I might stick around a bit longer, but long term (years or decades) into the future, most likely not.
 
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DrinkyCrow

DrinkyCrow

Zap to the extreme
May 2, 2023
89
Winning the lottery.

Would at least put it away for a while until i burned through all that money.

Or i could die like god intended, on a sailboat somewhere in the middle of the ocean or overdosing on fancy designer drugs.
 
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Reflection

Reflection

One last hurrah
Sep 12, 2024
252
Yes, it would be like a flip of a switch. Although it's not entirely within my control, so I can only do so much to try and make it easier to happen.
 
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Deep Breaths
Aug 25, 2018
552
I can't think of anything external that would save me.

Be it other people, money, material objects, environmental changes -- even with the best of intentions, these things cannot make up for the fact that my problems are all internal.

The only thing keeping me going in life is the emotional and mental support from my family.

Unless my parents can somehow find everlasting life, I have a very big problem coming my way at some point because I just don't see myself being able to survive without them.
 
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Unspoken7612

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Jul 14, 2024
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If everything had always gone my way, I would still have suicidal thoughts but they would be empty, weightless, and easy to manage. I wouldn't be seriously contemplating ending my life.

That said, I think if things had gone the way I always imagined I wanted them to go, I'd have found out that I didn't actually want them to go that way, especially with regards to romance.
 
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JustAnx

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Oct 12, 2024
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Yes, but (stuff)
 
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PlannedforPeru

PlannedforPeru

SaSu. Lurker
Sep 21, 2024
115
Nope, my hedonic treadmill is never-ending baby.
 
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Tombs_in_your_eyes

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Oct 18, 2024
36
External factors would definitely save me. I was a chronically suicidal teenager/early 20s, due to internal factors that, thankfully, resolved around the time I graduated. I then had many years of having no suicidal feelings at all, despite severe physical disability, because I had wonderful emotional support. Although I was growing increasingly anxious about the people providing that support dying.

Then along came a terminal diagnosis for one of them... And now I'm about as suicidal as could be.

Unless my parents can somehow find everlasting life, I have a very big problem coming my way at some point because I just don't see myself being able to survive without them.
I am living my version of this problem right now... it is my very worst nightmare. I hope your parents remain around and in good health well into old age.
 
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WholeHereafter

WholeHereafter

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Jul 29, 2024
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I'm not sure if it's realistic, but yes, if there was a way to cure my illness and I could experience health again, I would not feel this way.
 
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affirmatice

Student
Aug 31, 2024
106
The best scenario is happiness. Technically, that's almost always possible. Whether or not it's realistic is a whole other question.

So for me it's unsure. Nothing could give me back what I lost. So can I eventually reach a point of acceptance and happiness? To me right now it seems extremely unlikely. But like I said, theoretically, it could happen
 
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We Are Angels

Student
Sep 24, 2024
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At this point, my best case scenario would involve a Dues Ex Machina, like my fairy godmother showing up and waving my problems away. Not happening.
 
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ForgottenAgain

ForgottenAgain

On the rollercoaster of sadness
Oct 17, 2023
955
Like- if you're still not happy after getting what you wanted (pretty much,) where else is there left to go?
I think this is my case exactly.
Assuming that the best case scenario is only related to things I have control over, then I'm already living that best case scenario and it didn't cure me.

If the best case scenario isn't tied to what's in my control, then I think it would need to rewrite history. Kind of similar to Flash point, going back in time and preventing my mother's death. That's the point from when all my problems started. But who knows if I'd be happy, who knows where I'd be at this age in that timeline.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I think this is my case exactly.
Assuming that the best case scenario is only related to things I have control over, then I'm already living that best case scenario and it didn't cure me.

If the best case scenario isn't tied to what's in my control, then I think it would need to rewrite history. Kind of similar to Flash point, going back in time and preventing my mother's death. That's the point from when all my problems started. But who knows if I'd be happy, who knows where I'd be at this age in that timeline.

Yes- I feel exactly this too. It's like- working within the realms of possibility- even probability, there's a lot less hope.

I suppose that's the problem I have with pro-life notions of life. Yes- life can be amazing for some people. But- look at the life in question. What stuff has happened or is happening to them that really doesn't have an adequate cure- to their standards- they have to live it after all. If/ when you can't find that adequate cure- because I expect they've already spent time and energy looking for it, we're left with- 'Well, everybody suffers'- so basically- put up with it.
 
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ForgottenAgain

On the rollercoaster of sadness
Oct 17, 2023
955
Yes- I feel exactly this too. It's like- working within the realms of possibility- even probability, there's a lot less hope.

I suppose that's the problem I have with pro-life notions of life. Yes- life can be amazing for some people. But- look at the life in question. What stuff has happened or is happening to them that really doesn't have an adequate cure- to their standards- they have to live it after all. If/ when you can't find that adequate cure- because I expect they've already spent time and energy looking for it, we're left with- 'Well, everybody suffers'- so basically- put up with it.
Even my cousin who is Bipolar and should understand better than anyone, went on a tangent of telling me the horrible things she went through so I'd feel better that my life is better than her.

It's like people can only cope by thinking that others are suffering worse therefore their life is now good in comparison. That doesn't work with me, my expectations of life aren't that mediocre, if I'm alive I want to be happy, I don't want to constantly be unhappy and rationalise my way into continue to live, that isn't a life worth living to me.

People accept terrible lives so easily...I see that in my own father, he is depressed but doesn't admit it. Says that he is old so nothing will making him that happy or surprised anymore and that's normal, that is aging! Ffs... his house is pure filth because he doesn't clean anything, he doesn't even cook food unless someone else is there. It's ironic how in the past he would get so angry at me for not cleaning my room, not wanting to cook, because I was depressed, but now that it is him showing the exact same symptoms but worse, that suddenly he didn't notice that the house was dirty or whatever. The walls are yellowed, there's black mold on a lot of things, that's how dirty things are. Not even at the peak of my depression I let my environment get to that point but I digress...

Life could be very different but, I guess in my heart, I feel like it wouldn't matter that much. Maybe it's just my pessimism after more than a decade of suffering, but I feel like even if Flash point happened for me, I'd still be struggling. I know my life was tragic from an early age but there's so many mentally ill history in my family that I feel like this depression is genetic in a way.

If I could live Flash point, I wouldn't want to retain the memories of this life. I know I'd grieve some things I had in this life.
 
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Hyperion_1884

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Oct 23, 2024
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Does anyone feel like they either got what they always wanted or, even if they did get what they always wanted, they might still not be happy? Sometimes, I wonder if that's the ultimate test. Like- if you're still not happy after getting what you wanted (pretty much,) where else is there left to go?

Someone asked me what my ideal job would be the other day. At one point, I would have been ecstatic that someone might actually consider paying me to do the thing I wanted to do the most. Maybe it's because I know that isn't realistic. But, I suppose I thought- I've actually kind of got what I wanted but now, I'm simply tired of all of it and I just want out.

Maybe it's because the very best case scenario often isn't exactly feasible. You may get your dream job but you have to work all hours to keep it. You may fall in love but they might be with someone else. Maybe it's because life rarely goes entirely to plan. Even the really good things in life carry problems and you just start to think- I can't be arsed with any of this anymore!

Does your level headedness or pessimism/ cynicism stop you from running away with 'best case' scenarios? Do yours actually seem feasible? I suppose it's the not being sure that plays a part in keeping people here. I feel like I'm pretty sure that my best case scenario would bring with it too many other problems for me to be happy.
It's a good question. I don't think I ever wanted to be happy, not in the most basic sense of the word, — that being the short lasting ecstatic sensation in your spine as you fail to contain your excitement, — I'm not even asking for a reason to wake up with a smile in my face in the morning, but if my 'best case scenario' where to be, I'm quite sure I'd want to stick around for much longer, not to chase that feeling of happiness, but to witness things, to learn and express things that have not names, all of it without feeling alienated by my body, without feeling like I'm constantly burning in an invisible flame at every waking moment if you know what I mean, I doubt the exhaustion, the frustration and even the loneliness would carry as much weight then as they do now, I'd be cool with the boredom then, with the emptiness or whatever else comes with it, after all I have been for a long time now, it's just the alienation that I can't sit with, the disgust and the repulsion, and if it were somehow gone which I know for a fact it never will, I'd be fine with it.
Does anyone feel like they either got what they always wanted or, even if they did get what they always wanted, they might still not be happy? Sometimes, I wonder if that's the ultimate test. Like- if you're still not happy after getting what you wanted (pretty much,) where else is there left to go?

Someone asked me what my ideal job would be the other day. At one point, I would have been ecstatic that someone might actually consider paying me to do the thing I wanted to do the most. Maybe it's because I know that isn't realistic. But, I suppose I thought- I've actually kind of got what I wanted but now, I'm simply tired of all of it and I just want out.

Maybe it's because the very best case scenario often isn't exactly feasible. You may get your dream job but you have to work all hours to keep it. You may fall in love but they might be with someone else. Maybe it's because life rarely goes entirely to plan. Even the really good things in life carry problems and you just start to think- I can't be arsed with any of this anymore!

Does your level headedness or pessimism/ cynicism stop you from running away with 'best case' scenarios? Do yours actually seem feasible? I suppose it's the not being sure that plays a part in keeping people here. I feel like I'm pretty sure that my best case scenario would bring with it too many other problems for me to be happy.
It's a good question. I don't think I ever wanted to be happy, not in the most basic sense of the word, — that being the short lasting ecstatic sensation in your spine as you fail to contain your excitement, — I'm not even asking for a reason to wake up with a smile in my face in the morning, but if my 'best case scenario' where to be, I'm quite sure I'd want to stick around for much longer, not to chase that feeling of happiness, but to witness things, to learn and express things that have not names, all of it without feeling alienated by my body, without feeling like I'm constantly burning in an invisible flame at every waking moment if you know what I mean, I doubt the exhaustion, the frustration and even the loneliness would carry as much weight then as they do now, I'd be cool with the boredom then, with the emptiness or whatever else comes with it, after all I have been for a long time now, it's just the alienation that I can't sit with, the disgust and the repulsion, and if it were somehow gone which I know for a fact it never will, I'd be fine with it.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
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For me it will, because it has to. If it doesn't then I can at least say for sure that it didn't work but until I experience it I won't accept anything else.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
9,434
For me it will, because it has to. If it doesn't then I can at least say for sure that it didn't work but until I experience it I won't accept anything else.

I really hope you do get your wish and it's all you hope for.
 
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Lady Laudanum

Lady Laudanum

Pursuing recovery seriously, Godspeed
May 9, 2024
792
Sure, if I can be 100% recovered from my eating disorder (both mentally and physically) and from PTSD
 
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jar-baby

Mage
Jun 20, 2023
507
It just feels that as much as I don't want it to be, I'm irrevocably and fundamentally damaged in some way. So my best case scenario would be not being this way, but that feels... actually impossible. Even a hypothetical scenario in which I'm not this way seems, like, metaphysically impossible. Impossible to truly conceive of. So I voted unsure.
 
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CogitoMori

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Oct 21, 2024
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My best case scenario would be the only person that ever made me feel like a human talking to me, but they won't and I don't know what I did to make them hate me.
 
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Chaosire

Chaosire

Literally insane, legally speaking
Sep 23, 2024
127
I had my best scenario give me a good year so.
I've done what I've wanted to do in life, during that time, now I'm waiting for that sweet release.
 
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Gonk

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Oct 20, 2024
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Greetings folks! Still learning the forum, so; sorry if I did a mistake. This here is my first post.
Does anyone feel like they either got what they always wanted or, even if they did get what they always wanted, they might still not be happy? Sometimes, I wonder if that's the ultimate test. Like- if you're still not happy after getting what you wanted (pretty much,) where else is there left to go?
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Ah, yes... So this leaves me with a more important pre-question to answer this one. Because, what is our "best" scenario? Is it good, is it bad? Well, I say is, maybe due to strict realism, maybe due to strict pessimism; I tend to disagree my best scenario would be me marrying, getting my life together and having a hope for, an average life. When it comes to rationalisement, calculating worth of mine, it all comes clean. I believe every person must be worthy to have a good life. However, with an important twist: I don't dare to say there is an objective way to prove for others. Yes, I can only prove my worth to myself. So, my best life scenario? It isn't kind of scenario would make me forget all these, because it is unfair, unjust. Best scenario must be where I am worth, where I am not only a consumer; but a beneficial individual to my family, to my country and to the world.

At the end of the day, there is still that void, still lack of meaning. But models you built, prevails. There is no wrong models in science, scientists build them to explain things. Grab any scientifical model, if it give results of a real life problem with certain accuracy, it can be used. My whole self-worth theory (Well, my crude theory, which I am not certain that it is valid.) tries to adress few things. But on the agenda, there is no such words; good, bad, best, worst... So if that "best" scenario is a scenario where I got different theories, there is a high possibility I wouldn't be in this dread.
 
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ThisGameIsOverrated

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May 6, 2024
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I just dislike the nature of life it's so unpredictable and unfair
 
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alltoomuch2

alltoomuch2

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Feb 10, 2024
627
Yes, but only if my best case scenario would be that I suddenly discovered I had some weird illness that made you fat, ugly, autistic, impossible to like, socially inept to the point where you make everyone feel worse no matter how hard you try, and also discovered that the illness could be treated so you became a good person who everyone wanted to be around and helped others so much they were always pleased to see you. But I'm gambling that this best case scenario isn't going to happen. So off I'm going to pop once my dog no longer needs me to look after her, and after my mental health team show that they can't make things any better. I long for the peace and lack of obligations that ctb offers.
 
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needthebus

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Apr 29, 2024
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too many traumatic memories for me to live

they make me too angry

too upset over how ive been treated

even with money love and support would probably do it anyway
 
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needthebus

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Apr 29, 2024
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Greetings folks! Still learning the forum, so; sorry if I did a mistake. This here is my first post.

Ah, yes... So this leaves me with a more important pre-question to answer this one. Because, what is our "best" scenario? Is it good, is it bad? Well, I say is, maybe due to strict realism, maybe due to strict pessimism; I tend to disagree my best scenario would be me marrying, getting my life together and having a hope for, an average life. When it comes to rationalisement, calculating worth of mine, it all comes clean. I believe every person must be worthy to have a good life. However, with an important twist: I don't dare to say there is an objective way to prove for others. Yes, I can only prove my worth to myself. So, my best life scenario? It isn't kind of scenario would make me forget all these, because it is unfair, unjust. Best scenario must be where I am worth, where I am not only a consumer; but a beneficial individual to my family, to my country and to the world.

At the end of the day, there is still that void, still lack of meaning. But models you built, prevails. There is no wrong models in science, scientists build them to explain things. Grab any scientifical model, if it give results of a real life problem with certain accuracy, it can be used. My whole self-worth theory (Well, my crude theory, which I am not certain that it is valid.) tries to adress few things. But on the agenda, there is no such words; good, bad, best, worst... So if that "best" scenario is a scenario where I got different theories, there is a high possibility I wouldn't be in this dread.
i think when people are happy they often are content with the illusory nature of reality despite knowing it due to happiness. who cares if it's an illusion if you are happy?

i was highly traumatized by various things in my life, then that trauma was exponentially worsened by a long hospital stay in which i was accused of lying, treated poorly, had my privacy and dignity removed from me by strong-arming me with veiled threats of possible death (ie, we will move you to the violent unstable area of the hospital if you don't allow all our prejudiced mean nurses and staff access to various private information). I almost killed myself while in that hospital to avoid further indignity.

I would need a stay in a hospital to recover from that stay in a hospital, or real therapy that didn't feel like it happened with no privacy under duress and threat of possible death (someone in that facility I was around later went on to [omiited because too specific] someone else and had threatened me, there were many assaults there), but the experience left me so angry and bitter, and I was already phenomenally sad and angry, so I am just unwilling to try to emotionally be repaired at this point. It's like getting bitten by a snake and then being told the only way you'll feel better is to get bitten by a different magical snake that makes you happy. Sorry, been there, done that.

I think for me to want to stay alive, such a large number of things would have to happen. I guess there could possibly be an "ideal" situation but it would likely be so improbable as to be similar to lotto odds. I was the victim of sexual violence. I think I'd need to have my body back to the way it was prior to that. But a lot of times surgeries can only do so much to repair certain kinds of damage, and I've already had more fucking surgeries in life than I ever wanted due to that situation. I also don't like the way I look and so a lot of that would need to be changed, which would be hard to do, because a lot of what makes me ugly is strange proportions that can't easily be fixed (in the same way some surgeries, like cheek implants, are easy, if someone already has normal bone structure. It's very hard to change abnormal skull shapes and eye sockets. I asked a doctor about it once and it would probably be 500,000 to change, it may not make things better, and it would be so painful. They would need to slow down and reverse aging, since I feel like I lost so much and am so behind on life that death is an easier more peaceful option. I've never been in love, not really, the closest thing to it was someone playing a cruel prank on me like in that movie Carrie.

It's just too much to overcome. I am mostly a positive optimistic person, but doing these things so I could find romance could take 10 years, there would be so much pain, and age reversing may not be around right away. I also don't think all of these surgeries would totally work. I wish I didn't care about these things but I am very sexually lonely, and so it makes me think about beauty and the nature of attraction. I probably also have heart and genetic damage and that's why my face looks this way, since heart issues and facial issues are often linked.

I think I could have dealt with things if I had never been the victim of sexual violence, kept chugging along and perhaps one day found someone who liked me despite the way I look who I also found attractive, but being the victim of bullying and trauma and coming from a bad and unsupported family meant the injuries and being a victim pushed me further into isolation, and then my experiences with mental health were so horrific I would never in a billion fucking years want anything to do with the mental health industry anymore, they all terrify me.

I really believe a lot of suicidal people have solvable problems, but my problems are difficult and would take so much effort to even try to solve, and I'm unhappy all the time. It's not really pragmatic to think anything could change especially with the pavlovian aversion to mental health that the mental health industry so ingeniously caused. I'm also a slightly older sasu member, so I feel like there were times when I was younger when I could have overcome things. It's likely even with tremendous effort and sadness and suffering, I would still feel the same way.

i just feel like for me it's about time to give up. but not sure if it will be in days, months, or years. i just want off this ride, over it
 
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RosebyAnyName

RosebyAnyName

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Nov 9, 2023
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I guess if you mean "best case scenario" in reference to things that are actually possible, I'm not sure, but I'm leaning towards no. The problem is that I struggle in ways that cannot be fixed or cured, so I think even if I succeeded at everything I could reasonably achieve, I still wouldn't be able to get the things I actually would need to make life worth living.
 
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Gonk

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i think when people are happy they often are content with the illusory nature of reality despite knowing it due to happiness. who cares if it's an illusion if you are happy?
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Hello! Sorry for late answer. Nonetheless;

You have an interesting take but the thing is: They don't know "real things" in the first place to say that they know that this is an illusion. There are countless ways of illusion to simulate our senses, but not so suprisingly, they don't work like those natural stimulatives. So if I decieve myself that "I am useful person" to world, that would be lie, and I am not happy with lies. Yes, I think most people care about whetever it is reality or illusion, but it takes more awereness to realise that. Once you agree upon the need of awereness, you also realise, you may never enough aware to see that; thus you left with what you have: Tangible things.

Perhaps, I subconsciously built my entire life upon usefulness and goals. Way I see is, people use emotions, instincts and artistic pleasures to mess up even for the most straight jobs and tasks. I include myself, I, too, fail. World would be much, much better place, if we could put aside emotions. Not completely vanish them, but categorise them and feel them when it requires.

If I don't care whetever I am happy due to illusion or not; I'll wrong others directly or indirectly; which is a vicious circle, because it will return to me again. See? I am not happy and content (I think many other people, too) due to people who are happy with illusions. If I stop caring, that would include my family, who are expecting a long, happy life for me due to their good but somewhat arrogant intentions: I have a thing to not let them down, if I let them down, then it is a sign of the bus.

P.S. Note that, English isn't my native language, so correct me if I misunderstood.
 
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