Would you still consider CTB if humans weren't awful?

[TheHatedOne]

We all know how most humans are: selfish, sadistic, greedy, unable to empathize or show compassion, preying on vulnerable people, they like to complicate things and invent stuff full of nonsense like some rules/laws, overall humans are bad and cause lots of suffering one to another. You don't need much to realize this, have a look at history to realize how awful and destructive they are on a macro scale or expose yourself to humans for a long time, look at the news, hear others stories etc. on a micro scale. Not every human is like this, there may be good humans, but even the good ones who like doing good acts are doing so just to make themselves feel good and this is a harsh truth.

Humans make life much worse than it can be because they love suffering (unless it's happening to their own person, but damn, even then, they think that suffering is gonna make them strong and that it has a higher meaning and other neurotoxic vomit). But look, all our history we have been torturing each other for pleasure, we have been inflicting terror on one another for power, for the thrill or because we just wanted to do it. There are people who torture and kill just because they felt like doing it. There are people who torture and kill just because their imaginary god or demon or whatever told them so. How many people have died under this sky because of humans? How many people have suicided because of humans? I'm willing to bet it's over 90%.

I'm starting to think that life wouldn't be that bad if humans weren't like this. Sure, life would still suck: law of entropy, asymmetry of good and bad, suffering would still be inevitable, but without the useless suffering that humans like to inflict on each other think how it would be. Think about it: instead of violence and sadism, humans would manifest acceptance and friendship towards each other. Instead of being selfish, materialistic and possessive, they would share stuff with others who are poor and help each other. Like we see these ''wholesome'' posts all over the internet and they celebrate it and cherish it like the second coming of Jesus but why can't these species make it a daily reality?? Think how easier life would be this way.

When I was learning Sociology in high school I learnt that in hunter gatherers times those who were unfit to do anything weren't cast away from the group instead those who were the fittest would bring food even for those unfit. Nowadays if someone is slightly different we like to throw them, figuratively speaking, in the trash bin.

Well that's it I guess. I'm sorry for any typos or incoherence, I'm tipsy right now. My post may sound dumb and honestly my idealistic teenager ass could have written this but I'm just really wondering especially considering what happened to me these days.

Edit: My stance on this is that since humanity is almost my main reason to suicide, if they were the opposite of what they are now my suicidal feelings would decrease from over 100% to about 20% maximum, this 20% would consist only of the way life objectively is which has nothing to do with humanity.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

At this point, it's too difficult for me to imagine any alternative than to kill myself.

 

[Manaaja]

Humans being shitty and stupid is a really huge source of my suicidality in several ways. I'd most likely postpone it by several years, maybe until I was 35-40. I don't want to grow old, unless they came up with something that makes your body and mind be youthful even in old age.

 

[FuneralCry]

In my case, I would want to die no matter what. There is nothing that would make me want to live. I want nothing to do with life. All I want is to sleep forever and be at peace. But people are cruel and I cannot stand them. I am very introverted. Others are capable of ruining our lives.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Honestly? If people weren't so fucking selfish, I don't think this forum would even exist as suicide rates would be extremely low. That said, I would definitely be an entirely different person than I am now and almost positive I wouldn't have had a single suicidal thought ever. A vast majority of my pain extends from people just being, well, people.

 

[Hurt]

Human race contribute a little to my suicidality. I will still consider ctb because sometimes I can't just stand my existence.

 

[Snake of Eden]

It could postpone it or if they were very good it may even stop it all together but that will never be the case sadly

 

[whywere]

I over all agree with you. Like I have said before on SS, humans as of right now, except all of us here on SS and I am for real on this aspect that we are unique that we love and care for each other and have no idea about money or anything amongst us here, are greedy, and very egotistical.

I have said before like on sci-fi shows/movies, where money is a thing of the past and one use their lives in the betterment of everyone. I grew up ultra poor and now later in life still getting by money wise, but I am ok with it. I try my best to help and look out for folks, and yes I am way far from perfect, i have made a lot of mistakes. But like last year when Covid started to really lock businesses down here in the U.S., I was at a restaurant and they were closing for at least 3 months and my waitress was crying as she did not know what to do for living expenses. I had $100 on me extra and gave it to her. She was shocked and so were others. When I told a business acquaintance about it he was totally dumbfounded as to why I would do that, as it was a "whole" $100.

I mention this as a example in my past of humans and I hope and pray that as we evolve that we can shed greed, ego and the other not so nice aspects. We are all one period and at the end of the day and one's life it is about the betterment of humankind and not money or power.

After having found SS and the folks here nice enough to let me join and finally have found a place in this world where folks are super nice, look out for one another, it has NOTHING to do with money, ego, greed, nothing, just being nice to one another and helping each other out.

In the twilight of my life, SS and all the folks here are my family as I have no other and quite frankly I do not want any one else than my family here on SS.

Thank you to all and please have a great upcoming weekend.

Walter

 

[αmber]

If the human society cared more about the well-being of ourselves rather than money, appearances and feeling superior, I think a lot less people would consider suicide. I'm an example of this. Not bragging or anything, but I once was thought of having a lot of potential in life by those who lived close to me. I've always being curious and into learning new things. I've got into a prestigious college studying by myself at home since me and my mom never had enough money to pay for any proper education. Unfortunately, due to money issues, and the psychological illness I suffer from because of the traumas I had been through as a kid, I'm now failing at everything. I'm nearly starving while trying to find any slave job and abandoning college. I can't take a break, and if I tell anyone my problems, none will listen (I've tried). I wish life didn't orbit around money and everyone deserved a break and a love demonstration from society. We should have a world where we all felt like we were working together for the sole purpose of collective happiness and not a life where we constantly have to compete against each other.

 

[meetapple]

Other people count for about 80 to 90 percent of my desire to CTB. If people paid more than lip service to the idea that they should treat others as they would want to be treated by others perhaps my life would be quite different. Their lack of tolerance and ignorance spells doom for those that are different in all walks of life.

I avoid people when I can which ironically cause others to pay more attention to me. If people just paid attention to one concept: fairness, life would be better for many tormented and disadvantaged people.

 

[whywere]

Other people count for about 80 to 90 percent of my desire to CTB. If people paid more than lip service to the idea that they should treat others as they would want to be treated by others perhaps my life would be quite different. Their lack of tolerance and ignorance spells doom for those that are different in all walks of life.

I avoid people when I can which ironically cause others to pay more attention to me. If people just paid attention to one concept: fairness, life would be better for many tormented and disadvantaged people.

I 100%+++++ agree with you so much on your post. You really hit the nail on the head. Thank you so much for such thoughtful and insightful post, really loved it.

Walter

 

[Trueform]

Nobody is born a monster.
I want to see Humanity at its knees.
Humans are the most evil species walking on this planet, we discriminate and bully others to boost our Egos and feel better about ourselves. If I could, I would kill every single human in the world and then suicide. The earth doesn't need us, many animals went extinct and us Humans cause more harm to the world than anything.
Answer to Your Question : No, if humans weren't awfull I wouldn't even be registered here.

 

[it's_all_a_game]

No, I wouldn't. Over 50% of the reason I want to die is because of how I have been tossed aside, put down, abused, etc. by others. If most people were kinder and empathetic I'd definitely want to live.

 

[Meditation guide]

No. I would not consider ctb if humans weren't awful. When I say awful, I mean they are cold blooded uncaring back stabbing and monstrous.

 

[WatermelonMel]

Probably not, the biggest thing that pushes me so close to the edge is when people are assholes (which it feels like 90% are). It's like "Damn, I have to co-exist with this scum"

 

[hashtagnull]

No... I only want to CTB because of people. Literally. I think life is beautiful, the planet is beautiful. I love animals. I could be very happy if everyone were to disappear - all the pressure and strain I feel would instantly disappear too. I do like a few people, but really it's not worth the pain to find the nice ones. I used to fantasize about leaving, going into the wilderness like Chris McCandless, or figuring out some way of living off-grid, but I've given up on all that now.

 

[demuic]

Yes, I would, because my mind and body are also broken and painful to deal with. Humans being evil plays a big role, but even without that, I can't stand to live.

 

[motel rooms]

No... I only want to CTB because of people. Literally. I think life is beautiful, the planet is beautiful. I love animals.

Why is life beautiful? It's full of toil & suffering. Animals are forced to viciously kill & eat each other to survive, you know. This planet is a horrible, unhospitable place. Go camping in the wilderness for a month without any supplies & enjoy starving & hiding from the wolves & bears in the freezing cold...

 

[Amumu]

Why is life beautiful? It's full of toil & suffering. Animals are forced to viciously kill & eat each other to survive, you know. This planet is a horrible, unhospitable place. Go camping in the wilderness for a month without any supplies & enjoy starving & hiding from the wolves & bears in the freezing cold...

This basically...
Humans aren't "awful" or "bad" , they just are.

They invented the notions of "good" and "evil" , which don't make any sense for other living things....
Of course I'd ctb in any case. And honestly I'm tired people are generalising false beliefs like this one.

Your thread looks like the one where the OP said they were better than all other human beings,
because implicitly when you say "humans are awful", you're not often included, paradoxically.

 

[Unicron]

Yes, life's painful even if you're sheltered from it. Sure people can be inconsiderate and cruel, but ultimately we're all the product of our own internal monolog.​

 

[motel rooms]

because implicitly when you say "humans are awful", you're not often included.

Yeah, people on here tend to forget that they're human as well & that none of the wonderful animals that everyone adores like doggies & kitties & lambs would exist if evil humans hadn't domesticated their ancestors.

 

[Amumu]

When I was learning Sociology in high school I learnt that in hunter gatherers times those who were unfit to do anything weren't cast away from the group instead those who were the fittest would bring food even for those unfit.

Source? I think it's rather the opposite.

If you weren't productive and didn't contribute to the survival of your tribe, they let you starve to death.

Not to mention that if you had Down's syndrome or stuff like that, your ancestors would have thrown you in the trash bin for real

 

[meetapple]

Yeah, people on here tend to forget that they're human as well & that none of the wonderful animals that everyone adores like doggies & kitties & lambs would exist if evil humans hadn't domesticated their ancestors.

Obviously we are humans too. That doesn't mean that other people aren't responsible for their pain. There are people who might be happy if other people hadn't been unfair to them and there are people who wouldn't be happy even if people had treated them fairly.

Why is life beautiful? It's full of toil & suffering. Animals are forced to viciously kill & eat each other to survive, you know.

Life isn't beautiful if your definition of beauty is that all animals must be vegetarian. Even If they are vegetarian they would be killing plants. Any form of life to survive would need to consume some other form of life to survive.

 

[motel rooms]

Obviously we are humans too. That doesn't mean that other people aren't responsible for their pain. There are people who might be happy if other people hadn't been unfair to them

You don't have to explain that to me, you're probably familiar with my story. I'm just a little tired of this "all humans are incredibly evil monsters" narrative. Are you & I unempathetic sadists who prey on the vulnerable? I don't think so.

Life isn't beautiful if your definition of beauty is that all animals must be vegetarian.

I assure you that that isn't this gay guy's definition of beauty.

Any form of life to survive would need to consume some other form of life to survive.

Exactly. It's a lifeform-eat-lifeform world & there's nothing beautiful about that.

 

[ClownMe]

Humans being garbage is only one factor in why I want to ctb, so yes.

 

[Jenjoh2358]

"There is Nothing New Under The Sun" - Ecclesiastes

 

[yive]

yes, definitely, because life is just about fixing the negatives. the best way to fix all negatives is to die

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I never seriously considered ctb until I came down with my chronic undiagnosed illness. I got it in 2014 and since then I've been in and out of hospitals more times than I can count. Of course, with that came medical debt, no answers at all, and being talked down to by doctors and psychs ever since. They have now agreed I am a hypochondriac, invalidating everything I'm experiencing. It cost me any hope of working normally or getting an education. It also cost me my marriage.

So yeah, for me it's bad luck and the human interactions on top of it have just been the worst. I now just shoot the breeze when I go see my doc. I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone, and there's no hope for my future. I guess becoming ill was enough though. That has taken me out of the game all by itself. But people being shit really doesn't help.

 

[LetMeGoPlease]

Yes because I am awful.

 

[stygal]

Yeah I still would or had to at some point as 1. our environment is permanently fucked 2. I'm an disabled piece of shit that ages way faster and thus pain gets greater with time.

I do hate most people tho - but I got very good at ignoring everyone around me and since I don't talk to many it's easy to do so.