Discussion Would you ever help someone CTB?

[Andro • Ανδρομέδα]

Many of us wish for aid and support on exiting this life with dignity and without much pain and resentment. That makes me wonder if I would ever help someone in any way to get what they want when it comes to dying. I don't think I would, not just because it is illegal, maybe I would be too afraid to carry that responsibility. But I don't know, maybe if something changed, legislation wise, I could feel differently.
What say you?

 

[its-about-time]

I feel same as you. A close friend is very suicidal and we sometimes talk about how we both plan to do it, in our own way and time. Those conversations make me uncomfortable enough, to not try to offer hope or a different solution. I don't want to contribute to anyone else dying but myself. But it's also an honor to sit next to somebody and listen and validate without trying to change their mind. If he dies before me, I will surely feel guilt anyways.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that if I was capable of assisting someone else's suicide I would already be gone myself.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Perhaps we need a special megathread on this. In my view, yes it's illegal in almost every country, but not immoral provided the 'assistant' takes all required measures to make sure the 'assisted' needs and deserves to die.
Now what should I do if I am asked to provide such assistance to someone I trust, possibly love?
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of doing something illegal if it's morally my duty, not to mention the required courage I may not have.
To be discussed: what kind of help is acceptable/unacceptable? How do I protect myself against law enforcement?

 

[exhaustedanonymous]

if i had the means too i'd never want to force someone to be even more desperate than they already are but i'd definitely already be gone by the time i had to worry about law enforcement

 

[jodes2]

I'd help them if it wasn't illegal, but as it stands I could get into may too much trouble

 

[Forever Sleep]

It really depends on the circumstances. If it was someone I loved who was in chronic pain all the time- I hope I would aid them in trying to get assisted euthanasia in a country that is more compassionate than mine (UK). I honestly don't know if I would risk breaking the law to try and obtain the means for them if they couldn't.

If they were capable of doing it themselves- no matter who they were- then I'm afraid it would have to be up to them. We're all in the same boat there unfortunately. It would be kind of unfair for someone 'capable' to request the help of another- knowing it could see them put in jail.

 

[Andro • Ανδρομέδα]

I feel same as you. A close friend is very suicidal and we sometimes talk about how we both plan to do it, in our own way and time. Those conversations make me uncomfortable enough, to not try to offer hope or a different solution. I don't want to contribute to anyone else dying but myself. But it's also an honor to sit next to somebody and listen and validate without trying to change their mind. If he dies before me, I will surely feel guilt anyways.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend and yourself. I can understand, it's sort of odd to be in this dichotomy where the best and the worst thing to do is the same.

Perhaps we need a special megathread on this. In my view, yes it's illegal in almost every country, but not immoral provided the 'assistant' takes all required measures to make sure the 'assisted' needs and deserves to die.
Now what should I do if I am asked to provide such assistance to someone I trust, possibly love?
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of doing something illegal if it's morally my duty, not to mention the required courage I may not have.
To be discussed: what kind of help is acceptable/unacceptable? How do I protect myself against law enforcement?

I'd say, help in this context would be similar to be that person who rip the wax off because the mind understands body's impulses and it doesn't like pain or something. If I would die intravenously I would likely need someone to apply it.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I feel same as you. A close friend is very suicidal and we sometimes talk about how we both plan to do it, in our own way and time. Those conversations make me uncomfortable enough, to not try to offer hope or a different solution. I don't want to contribute to anyone else dying but myself. But it's also an honor to sit next to somebody and listen and validate without trying to change their mind. If he dies before me, I will surely feel guilt anyways.

Here in the U.S. they made assisting suicide a crime. They put Dr. Kevorkian in prison for aiding very old terminally ill people in pain with suicide. This was to make an example for everyone. So in effect imo the U.S. and most countries are suicide prohibition states . In the U.S. congress now is a bill to make this website illegal and to make "assisting suicide" through online comments a crime also . They haven't passed this bill yet Who knows if it will pass. So i would never assist someone in suicide because i don't want to go to prison where even more terrible things will happen to you. See the movie and book The Shawshank redemption to see how bad prison is.

 

[its-about-time]

Here in the U.S. they made assisting suicide a crime. They put Dr. Kevorkian in prison for aiding very old terminally ill people in pain with suicide. This was to make an example for everyone. So in effect imo the U.S. and most countries are suicide prohibition states . In the U.S. congress now is a bill to make this website illegal and to make "assisting suicide" through online comments a crime also . They haven't passed this bill yet .who knows if it will pass. So i would never assist someone in suicide because i don't want to go to prison where even more terrible things will happen to you see the movie and book The Shawshank redemption to see how bad prison is.

I am in the US as well. It's a terrifying line. I feel uncomfortable often even on this site and refrain from commenting on many posts about how to do it. I would be mortified to be legally implicated in someone else's suicide. I'm sure those laws will pass, anti-suicide laws are an easy win for politicians.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I am in the US as well. It's a terrifying line. I feel uncomfortable often even on this site and refrain from commenting on many posts about how to do it. I would be mortified to be legally implicated in someone else's suicide. I'm sure those laws will pass, anti-suicide laws are an easy win for politicians.

Yeah I agree. I guess I'd better get busy saving info i need from this website. This site needs a dark web mirror. That bill in the U.S. also makes me want to hurry up my ctb before they come get me. I'm in the U.S. so i guess only people living in the U.S. have to worry about that though.

 

[Barteljaap]

I wouldn't get in their way, but I wouldn't help them as that might have legal consequences.

Plus even if it's a friend you can't see inside their head. You can't be 100% sure if they really want to die or if they're just telling you about their suicidal thoughts as a cry for help.

 

[TheCyberian]

Not outside of some very limited circumstances, no. If I had a romantic partner who wanted to commit suicide with me, then I guess we would help each other. Otherwise, I don't think it's right in most circumstances (outside of physician assistance). I would be afraid of the legal consequences and the possibility that I somehow pushed them to CTB when they weren't absolutely ready for it.

 

[ksp]

would i euthanize a suffering a dog? of course (who wouldn't)

would i euthanize a suffering human being? of course

our society wouldn't (yet), but laws change as voluntary euthanasia becomes more and more acceptable. under these circumstances, i'd still help a person asking for help, if i had Nembutal
- i can easily apply the nigh-night method to someone else (but not on myself)
- immediately i would take the Nembutal, knowing that i wouldn't be found for the next 3 days

 

[Sunset Limited]

For my partner? Yes. Other way? No.

 

[lili]

Someone asked me once if we could do a double suicide, because we loved each other, but I wasn't willing to do it. While it was easy for me to see all the pain in my life, I couldn't see his. Just wanted him to get better. I don't see myself getting better. I saw that maybe it was better if I left but he kept going. It would have to be a very specific circumstance for me to consider something like this.

 

[BipolarExpress]

No, because I don't want to go to jail. Also, I'd rather not be accused for having someone else's blood on my hands, legality be damned. I'll listen to another suicidal person without sending them to the psych ward, but I won't be the one helping them leave.

 

[niiina]

I can't help myself to stand up and take a damn shower, I surly cannot help anyone to ctb. lol
I may give method types I read/experienced for those clueless asking here, but that's all.

 

[Domimi]

Yes if I knew I'd get away with it.

 

[HangmanCH]

This is a hard question to answer though. Assisting suicide is illegal in most countries so helping my friend CTB will basically get me screwed.

But more importantly I can never read my friend's mind so I won't know whether he has made up his mind or he was just feeling down. And you cannot get your friend revived easily after assisting his CTB, like, giving him a potion.

 

[Zeus35]

No

 

[Jadzia]

I'm not able to help anyone because I'm bedbound with chronic illness. If I was in a position to, I would consider it. It would depend on several factors. For example, why they wanted to CTB and the risk to me legally.

 

[ph0enix]

I would only ask for help if the other person is suicidal too but not ready on the same day/want to do it alone.

I would hesitate to ask a healthy non-suicidal person as it is immoral to make him feeling guilty and partly responsible for your busticket.

I personally could never help alone someone else. Maybe helping with one more other person would be possible.

 

[deadliftEnjoyer]

Yeah
I'm trying to win over the SI and shoot myself
I would shoot someone else, provided that the other person also shoots me at the same time

 

[BornToFail]

yes

 

[makethepainstop]

Many of us wish for aid and support on exiting this life with dignity and without much pain and resentment. That makes me wonder if I would ever help someone in any way to get what they want when it comes to dying. I don't think I would, not just because it is illegal, maybe I would be too afraid to carry that responsibility. But I don't know, maybe if something changed, legislation wise, I could feel differently.
What say you?

I would be horrified at the idea! Not that I would mind helping, but those pesky, and most annoying pro-life people just love putting people in jail for that variety of help. Nevermind the deceased relatives trying to sue you for helping.

 

[aladdin]

NO.

 

[Life_and_Death]

help them as in hand them the gun? idk
but just the other day i was thinking i wouldnt mind volunteering to be with people during their last moments so they wouldnt have to be alone (nothing specific, hospice, care homes hospitals would call me, and i wouldnt turn a suicide down if they privately called me)

 

[SamTam33]

I'd help as much as I could cover my tracks along the way. I couldn't perform the actual killing I don't think, but for as much as I wish someone would help me, how could I turn around and be selfish and hypocritical by denying that aid to someone else.

I could never be a nurse or a doctor because there's no way I would continue doing things to keep a person alive if they're begging me to die. The thought alone makes me nauseous. As if I'd be violating them by doing something they're explicitly asking me not to.

I know medical professionals are typically held in high esteem, but I've always seen them as being thick-skulled and sheeplike with the way they do nothing but keep people alive with no regards for the quality of life.

They're just the flip side of people who work in slaughter houses and kill animals all day. No nuance. No critical thinking applied. No exceptions.

 

[Doom]

I would easily help them if it wasn't illegal. If I want ctb I would be happy to receive help on that, so it would be hypocritical of me not to help too.