Discussion Worst reason to kill yourself?

[CarbonBased]

I've been thinking, are there any bad reasons to ctb? And if so, which one is the worst?

The worst I was able to think of is religious self-sacrifice, but surely there must be reasons that are even more questionable, right?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

From the perspective of a corpse, or the living?

Because the dead generally don't make mistakes or have bad judgement... we're all the same in death regardless of what our motivations were before we died.

 

[CarbonBased]

From the perspective of a corpse, or the living?

Because the dead generally don't make mistakes or have bad judgement... we're all the same in death regardless of what our motivations were before we died.

From the perspective of you if somebody were to explain their reason to you

 

[DeadnDusted]

I agree on religious sacrifice and would also add sacrifice for a country and fighting in wars.

Though to be honest it's all subjective, there isn't much reason to meaning at all so if someone's been indoctrinated, brainwashed or had an upbringing where they truly believed in something, that's part of their identity so for them that's the right thing and their truth.

 

[Lemon Ice Cube]

This might just be me, but ctb to escape a situation that can be resolved without such drastic measures. I am certainly pro choice but hearing young kids considering ctb to escape abusive partners/family/bullies for instance feels so preventable. I believe abuse to be its own form of brainwashing

 

[GEX]

Maybe less so people who CTB, but people who threaten suicide to get what they want are just insufferable. Don't get me wrong, I've gone on suicidal rants to my friends, but directly threatening suicide to make people do or don't do something is a serious low. Plus, if you DO end up going through with it (which most of these types never actually do), then now you have another person(s) who is now as miserable as you were.

 

[never mind me]

This might just be me, but ctb to escape a situation that can be resolved without such drastic measures. I am certainly pro choice but hearing young kids considering ctb to escape abusive partners/family/bullies for instance feels so preventable. I believe abuse to be its own form of brainwashing

I strongly disagree. First not everyone has the possibilty to escape abuse. Be it for financial reasons or due to legal reasons (if you are underage or if you are a woman in a country that doesn't allow women to rent a place of their own without a male family member agreeing). Even if you manage to escape abuse the effects maybe long lasting and depending on the severity and duration of the abuse, the personality of the affected person and his or her situation in life after escaping may never resolve enough to make life worth living.
Actually I don't think there are any bad reasons for ctb. It only depends on the person and how they feel and what their values are. From the outside a specific situation may look not that bad, but I am not inside the head of the person who ctb. Even people who ctb due to religious reasons may find meaning in it, as it is in accordance with their values. So I think I have no right to judge somebody for not wishing to continue with life.

 

[Passenger4224]

I agree with the people who mentioned religious sacrifice!

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

CTB over a breakup and this is coming from someone that wanted to commit suicide in her 20's over a breakup. I am now 57 and had several BF's and one marriage over the years since. My point is that the devastated, hopeless, can't live without them feeling does eventually go away. It may take a couple of years, but it really does subside even though it feels like it never will.

 

[LongJacks]

This might just be me, but ctb to escape a situation that can be resolved without such drastic measures. I am certainly pro choice but hearing young kids considering ctb to escape abusive partners/family/bullies for instance feels so preventable. I believe abuse to be its own form of brainwashing

If they're considering suicide because of abuse it CLEARLY cannot be resolved so easily, I went through abuse and the hell that a person goes through is enough reason to CTB, you don't know what it feels like until it finds you buddy

Do you consider being hit over and over again by a relative or a partner everyday living in fear, sleeping, eating and waking up in fear "Brainwashing?" or being mentally and emotionally tortured by someone that's supposed to protect.. you what kind of bullshit are you on about

If they're considering suicide because of abuse it CLEARLY cannot be resolved so easily, I went through abuse and the hell that a person goes through is enough reason to CTB, you don't know what it feels like until it finds you buddy

Do you consider being hit over and over again by a relative or a partner everyday living in fear, sleeping, eating and waking up in fear "Brainwashing?" or being mentally and emotionally tortured by someone that's supposed to protect.. you what kind of bullshit are you on about

Mind you there are kids out there who DIE because of how much they get abused or neglected and die a slow death of starvation or disease, or bullying how much it drove teenagers to commit suicide because of some assholes and the abusers aren't satisfied with them being dead

 

[apearl]

Politicians/influential people who kill themselves to escape punishment from the crimes they committed

For example, Robert Budd Dwyer

 

[lpdsvm]

Self-immolation for political issues is considered self-sacrifice to attract the world's attention. But kys because life is sh&t is suicide lol.
So technically I can say something political and still be "crazy" without the right activity background.
But in general people don't care and they have no memory when it comes to these events. Cookie-cutter thinking. I didn't understand why people CTBed when I was very young. I just thought no way. How? I wouldn't… .
Now: oh yeah, I would.

 

[FuneralCry]

No, existence is what is bad instead, it's so terrible how humans choose to impose this existence in the first place and cause all this suffering, cruelty and pain as a result with no limit as to how much agony one can feel, existence to me will just always be a mistake and to suffer in this existence will always be the most torturous, unnecessary burden.

For me ceasing to exist will always be the positive solution to find peace from all future futile suffering in this existence that is just waiting to die anyway, to exist is an abomination and all that existence ever does is just torture existing beings all for the sake of it, for me the only relief truly could lie in never suffering again as after all there are no disadvantages to non-existence, the peace of non-existence solves everything for me.

I find it so horrible how a human can be tortured in this existence for decades longer just to face the terrible extreme agony of old age, I don't see how being permanently at peace from this torturous existence could ever be bad rather to me it'll always be the opposite, simply just existing is enough to make me wish for dreamless eternal sleep.

 

[Seneca65AD]

All reasons are the worst.....and there are no worst reasons....to CTB. This question really made me think. Everything is based on subjectivity - as per DeadnDusted. The reasons which caused me to actively attempt or seriously plan to CTB over the years would objectively be considered silly; i.e. embarrassment, bad relationship, losing money even when it does not affect lifestyle, not being able to afford things that I consider luxuries, feeling old.

I recall a legal aquaintance who was a wildcatter and lawyer. He made $38 million on his last deal, and then hung himself the next day. He left a young daughter and devasted wife behind. I was unaware of any physical issues. I think of him a lot when I get really low; objectively he had it all, but subjectively something made him see suicide as the only way out. So, from the outside looking in - all reasons can be considered "worst". But when you are on the inside, there really are no "worst" reasons - there are only reasons which cause you to die, or not.

 

[The Eternal One]

The only bad reason to CtB is over (non-abusive) relationships with other people, especially romantic ones. Heroin addict accidentally overdosing is more unserstandable to me than people dying over "love", break-ups, sex life and such.
Every other reason that's been named in this thread so far (with exception of DustInTheWind who also mentioned break-ups) I consider reasonable with various degrees and don't judge.
User "never mind me" correctly assessed that it's a round-about "personal values" type of question, so it changes from person to person.
As someone who's been abused for decades by their alcoholic parent, I'm left completely incapable of love and trusting people, socially castrated in a way, therefore as an outsider looking in I can't understand people going crazy over self-imposed hormonal cocktails. As I said, heroin addicts make more sense to me.

 

[MissAbyss]

Ending your life to hurt or get revenge on a toxic person, why do you think they would even care...

 

[Bishop]

Ending your life to hurt or get revenge on a toxic person, why do you think they would even care...

Or on any person (toxic or not).

 

[miyabi]

This might just be me, but ctb to escape a situation that can be resolved without such drastic measures. I am certainly pro choice but hearing young kids considering ctb to escape abusive partners/family/bullies for instance feels so preventable. I believe abuse to be its own form of brainwashing

It absolutely is brainwashing. Unfortunately though childhood abuse sticks and is something you can't really forget.

I got a high paying job helping vulnerable people, I worked hard enough to buy my own place, had several relationships and casual sex, got reconstructive surgery to repair the damage from childhood self harm. Nothing makes a difference. I still mentally feel like a scared young child, no matter what I achieve.

That situations long gone and can't happen to me again, but it doesn't stop me from feeling like the child I was.

 

[divinemistress87]

For being a virgin. Theres worst issues in life to deal with

 

[MissAbyss]

Or on any person (toxic or not).

True in essence, but unfortunately, desperation and despair can drive someone to that point. Taking revenge, however, is a different beast.

 

[itsgone2]

There are no bad reasons. We need to get to a point where if someone truly wants to die, then we help them in a peaceful and humane way. That's the goal.

 

[xKiraSlumberx]

CTB over a psychotic delusion that isn't true.

 

[Lemon Ice Cube]

I strongly disagree. First not everyone has the possibilty to escape abuse. Be it for financial reasons or due to legal reasons (if you are underage or if you are a woman in a country that doesn't allow women to rent a place of their own without a male family member agreeing). Even if you manage to escape abuse the effects maybe long lasting and depending on the severity and duration of the abuse, the personality of the affected person and his or her situation in life after escaping may never resolve enough to make life worth living.
Actually I don't think there are any bad reasons for ctb. It only depends on the person and how they feel and what their values are. From the outside a specific situation may look not that bad, but I am not inside the head of the person who ctb. Even people who ctb due to religious reasons may find meaning in it, as it is in accordance with their values. So I think I have no right to judge somebody for not wishing to continue with life.

I see this point of view and I agree with this too. I suppose I should've worded my initial post better.
It is probably survivorship bias, but I didn't think leaving an abusive relationship was possible when I was a minor, and now I have the hindsight to know that there were paths of escape I did not see then.

I fully recognise there are situations with genuinely no path of escape, but it is all too common that our minds get clouded during times of crisis, where there is a strong illusion of death being the only path forward.

I do not have the right to judge those who have decided to ctb, but I do still think it should be a last resort to those who are considering, and if there is an alternate path that can be offered, we should be trying that first

 

[xXiloveyouXx]

CTB over a breakup and this is coming from someone that wanted to commit suicide in her 20's over a breakup. I am now 57 and had several BF's and one marriage over the years since. My point is that the devastated, hopeless, can't live without them feeling does eventually go away. It may take a couple of years, but it really does subside even though it feels like it never will.

It only goes away if you let it. If you've experienced true love and it's gone forever, no amount of marriages later in life can be an adequate substitution. Doing it for love is a good reason as any

 

[Lambybahhhhhh]

There's no worst reason to CTB. If something pushes someone to the point of suicidal ideation then it must mean a big deal to them.

 

[groovygoober]

I don't think there are many reasons that can be considered bad because at the end of the day the desire to end it is the same however you got there kind of becomes pointless when you get there , it is all in your head so your reason could be really trivial objectively but to you it might feel like the worst thing ever so , its pretty hard to judge someone else's reasoning .
I would say impulse would be the worst reason cause you are betraying yourself , think it through .

 

[CarbonBased]

It only goes away if you let it. If you've experienced true love and it's gone forever, no amount of marriages later in life can be an adequate substitution. Doing it for love is a good reason as any

Funny you say that considering your pfp xD

 

[DeadnDusted]

It only goes away if you let it. If you've experienced true love and it's gone forever, no amount of marriages later in life can be an adequate substitution. Doing it for love is a good reason as any

I guess most people end up see love and relationships in a more pragmatic way so what they get from a relationship, whether emotional or physical ultimately matters more than the person they're getting those needs met from. But if you valued the person and saw deeper meaning in your bond with them that's harder to bounce back from if at all.

 

[Climber]

It only goes away if you let it. If you've experienced true love and it's gone forever, no amount of marriages later in life can be an adequate substitution. Doing it for love is a good reason as any

That's how I feel, I think knowing you were in the wrong also makes it so much worse

 

[xXiloveyouXx]

Funny you say that considering your pfp xD

I have a bit of a theme going on in my life