Working class mothers get no sympathy if they admit they are suicidal ?

[FireFox]

During the Meghan and Harry interview with Oprah Winfrey, Meghan Markle addimtted she was suicidal while pregnant with Archie. The big man baby piers Morgan didn't believe her however many celebrities in the USA called her brave and inspiring. The British mental health charity mind called her brave.

I do believe Meghan markle about her mental health struggles but I don't think she is brave and inspiring. I feel bad for saying this

Its not fair because if Meghan was a mother on low Income and on welfare she will receive NO sympathy from society and faces a high risk of losing her children. I watched a documentary on itv about a mother on benefits struggling she talked about her mental health people on twitter were calling her a bad mother . In real life if a mother from a low income background admits she suicidal and seeks help ,social services do get involved. Some mothers have lost their children. Some social workers are not that good and can cause problems.

There is a perception in society that if a women is mentally ill she is incapable of being a good mother which is not fair at all. Mental illness is a spectrum from mild to severe. Mentally ill people need help and support not judgement

Society is so hypocritical when it comes to suicide of women/mothers . Poor women get NO sympathy whereas middle class/wealthy women do. Her interview with Oprah just proved how hypocritical society truly is.

 

[RedEther]

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[Pluto]

It's an awful situation in society that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. If the children would be in danger of serious neglect or abuse, their needs should come first IMO. The advantage that upper classes have is endless availability of therapy, support and facilities. It's not at all nice that we let people fall through the cracks, but caring well for children helps prevent generational cycles from repeating.

 

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During the Meghan and Harry interview with Oprah Winfrey, Meghan Markle addimtted she was suicidal while pregnant with Archie. The big man baby piers Morgan didn't believe her however many celebrities in the USA called her brave and inspiring. The British mental health charity mind called her brave.

I do believe Meghan markle about her mental health struggles but I don't think she is brave and inspiring. I feel bad for saying this

Its not fair because if Meghan was a mother on low Income and on welfare she will receive NO sympathy from society and faces a high risk of losing her children. I watched a documentary on itv about a mother on benefits struggling she talked about her mental health people on twitter were calling her a bad mother . In real life if a mother from a low income background admits she suicidal and seeks help ,social services do get involved. Some mothers have lost their children. Some social workers are not that good and can cause problems.

There is a perception in society that if a women is mentally ill she is incapable of being a good mother which is not fair at all. Mental illness is a spectrum from mild to severe. Mentally ill people need help and support not judgement

Society is so hypocritical when it comes to suicide of women/mothers . Poor women get NO sympathy whereas middle class/wealthy women do. Her interview with Oprah just proved how hypocritical society truly is.

That woman that Prince Harry married, Meghan Markle, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I watched a few videos by experts who had reached this conclusion and it was pretty convincing. She wasn't suicidal - she was using the threat of suicide as a manipulation tactic.

 

[RedEther]

That woman that Prince Harry married, Meghan Markle, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I watched a few videos by experts who had reached this conclusion and it was pretty convincing. She wasn't suicidal - she was using the threat of suicide as a manipulation tactic.

links?

 

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links?

 

[Pure]

The last video is very suspicious. Turning Point is a very right wing media source who'd be biased against Meghan for not being the stereotypical British aristocrat marrying into the royal family. Them citing her sister takes away even more credibility because Meghan has been estranged from every member of her paternal side. Her father has repeatedly collaborated with the paparazzi and recently sued her and Harry for access to their children (some legal context: grandparents /can/ sue for access to their grandchildren if and only if they already had a prior relationship or the biological parents are not in a healthy marriage. None of this applies to Meghan and Harry so the lawsuit was only to force himself into her life after she's been estranged from him for years).

TBH, this sort of speculation of Meghan being a sinister manipulator is exactly what Princess Diana went through. I'd be more likely to believe if Meghan were actively involved with the Royal Family to this day, but she and Harry moved away and are now private citizens. The interview was justified imo. The only reason they're still in the news is because any time they breathe outside their homes Piers Morgan and the rest of his goon squad are ready to make another obsessive article or video on her.

Also, OP, I don't think you should feel bad at all. The mental health struggles of the rich are very rarely applicable to the rest of us given that they have all the resources in the world to improve their lives.

 

[Disco Biscuit]

The last video is very suspicious. Turning Point is a very right wing media source who'd be biased against Meghan for not being the stereotypical British aristocrat marrying into the royal family. Them citing her sister takes away even more credibility because Meghan has been estranged from every member of her paternal side. Her father has repeatedly collaborated with the paparazzi and recently sued her and Harry for access to their children (some legal context: grandparents /can/ sue for access to their grandchildren if and only if they already had a prior relationship or the biological parents are not in a healthy marriage. None of this applies to Meghan and Harry so the lawsuit was only to force himself into her life after she's been estranged from him for years).

TBH, this sort of speculation of Meghan being a sinister manipulator is exactly what Princess Diana went through. I'd be more likely to believe if Meghan were actively involved with the Royal Family to this day, but she and Harry moved away and are now private citizens. The interview was justified imo. The only reason they're still in the news is because any time they breathe outside their homes Piers Morgan and the rest of his goon squad are ready to make another obsessive article or video on her.
Also, OP, I don't think you should feel bad at all. The mental health struggles of the rich are very rarely applicable to the rest of us given that they have all the resources in the world to improve their lives.

I don't really care. I'm interested in narcissism because I live with one (housemate) and I've been teaching myself about it and about how to protect my own boundaries and wellbeing. That's why it came up in my recommendations. It's pretty apparent that Meghan Markle is a malignant narcissist though. You don't see hundreds of YouTube videos being made and thousands of discussions being had about the other one, Kate Middleton, being a narcissist. Because it's really obvious she isn't.

I didn't realise the last one was a dodgy right-wing source. I will delete it.

The Richard Grannon one (third one), the podcast with Sean Attwood, is really thought provoking. Richard Grannon has a YouTube channel all about narcissism and narcissists. He doesn't have a reason to care about these people or take sides. He's examining the situation purely through lens of narcissistic personality disorder and it's really interesting.

When you have someone in the public eye who exhibits these behaviours, it is very useful to dissect their words and behaviour because it helps people to be able to spot when they come across these people in their own lives. They are often in disguise and will trick you into believing that they're great people before they try and destroy you.

 

[Pure]

I don't really care. I'm interested in narcissism because I live with one (housemate) and I've been teaching myself about it and about how to protect my own boundaries and wellbeing. That's why it came up in my recommendations. It's pretty apparent that Meghan Markle is a malignant narcissist though. You don't see hundreds of YouTube videos being made and thousands of discussions being had about the other one, Kate Middleton, being a narcissist. Because it's really obvious she isn't.

I didn't realise the last one was a dodgy right-wing source. I will delete it.

I mean, Meghan is a biracial American actress and Kate is white English aristocrat, so that's a really big bias for why people would want to pathologicalize her.

 

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I mean, Meghan is a biracial American actress and Kate is white English aristocrat, so that's a really big bias for why people would want to pathologicalize her.

Oh, of course, I forgot. Anyone who can see that's she's obviously a malignant narcissist is actually a racist. Even though you wouldn't know she's biracial unless someone tells you.

 

[FireFox]

That woman that Prince Harry married, Meghan Markle, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I watched a few videos by experts who had reached this conclusion and it was pretty convincing. She wasn't suicidal - she was using the threat of suicide as a manipulation tactic.

The last video is very suspicious. Turning Point is a very right wing media source who'd be biased against Meghan for not being the stereotypical British aristocrat marrying into the royal family. Them citing her sister takes away even more credibility because Meghan has been estranged from every member of her paternal side. Her father has repeatedly collaborated with the paparazzi and recently sued her and Harry for access to their children (some legal context: grandparents /can/ sue for access to their grandchildren if and only if they already had a prior relationship or the biological parents are not in a healthy marriage. None of this applies to Meghan and Harry so the lawsuit was only to force himself into her life after she's been estranged from him for years).

TBH, this sort of speculation of Meghan being a sinister manipulator is exactly what Princess Diana went through. I'd be more likely to believe if Meghan were actively involved with the Royal Family to this day, but she and Harry moved away and are now private citizens. The interview was justified imo. The only reason they're still in the news is because any time they breathe outside their homes Piers Morgan and the rest of his goon squad are ready to make another obsessive article or video on her.
Also, OP, I don't think you should feel bad at all. The mental health struggles of the rich are very rarely applicable to the rest of us given that they have all the resources in the world to improve their lives.

Financialrhino

The fact she is labelled an inspiration is just revolting because there is nothing inspiring about an over privileged woman telling the world she is suicidal. Its not inspiring because there millions of people who are severely mentally ill that don't have excess wealth like Meghan does, a caring mother like she's had and a circle of friends . These people in society that don't have these things just have to live with the little they have and carrying on through life but society doesn't care or even support these people. When people do reach out the system treats them so badly or doesn't even support them. Who's fighting for these people? No one.

I am getting sick and tired of hearing " depression can affect anyone" Yes it can but those with wealth can have access to better treatments, afford to take sick days off work etc.

Celebrities have no idea how people lives are and they will never belong in the world of ordinary people who don't have the privilege the celebrities and elite have.

I had suicidal thoughts while in lockdown and watching people call her brave I just found absolutely revolting. I don't see Meghan Markle as brave or inspiring. All I see is woman who went through a horrible time in the UK which broke her confidence.

 

[Pure]

Oh, of course, I forgot. Anyone who can see that's she's obviously a malignant narcissist is actually a racist. Even though you wouldn't know she's biracial unless someone tells you.

more like she's such an outsider based on her race, occupation, and nationality that royal family lovers are gonna be quick to demonize her.

Financialrhino

The fact she is labelled an inspiration is just revolting because there is nothing inspiring about an over privileged woman telling the world she is suicidal. Its not inspiring because there millions of people who are severely mentally ill that don't have excess wealth like Meghan does, a caring mother like she's had and a circle of friends . These people in society that don't have these things just have to live with the little they have and carrying on through life but society doesn't care or even support these people. When people do reach out the system treats them so badly or doesn't even support them. Who's fighting for these people? No one.

I am getting sick and tired of hearing " depression can affect anyone" Yes it can but those with wealth can have access to better treatments, afford to take sick days off work etc.

Celebrities have no idea how people lives are and they will never belong in the world of ordinary people who don't have the privilege the celebrities and elite have.

I had suicidal thoughts while in lockdown and watching people call her brave I just found absolutely revolting. I don't see Meghan Markle as brave or inspiring. All I see is woman who went through a horrible time in the UK which broke her confidence.

I completely understand and agree, I don't want you to think that my disagreeing with how she's quick to be labeled as narc means that everyone should relate to her struggles. I don't care for meghan or henry i just don't like disingenuity around her being a secret manipulator.

 

[FireFox]

more like she's such an outsider based on her race, occupation, and nationality that royal family lovers are gonna be quick to demonize her.


I completely understand and agree, I don't want you to think that my disagreeing with how she's quick to be labeled as narc means that everyone should relate to her struggles. I don't care for meghan or henry i just don't like disingenuity around her being a secret manipulator.

Meghan markle did encounter racism while in the UK and the evidence is overwhelming .

- Before her wedding Harry and her were sent a package to their home which contained poisonous white powder

- series of racist social media messages

- When her son was born a bbc presenter Danny Baker treated a racist image of a couple holding a monkey and it said the royal baby. This man British celebrities and his collegues in the BBC were defending him. The BBC suspended him but later gave back his job. He still has a career in the BBC. The whole thing was disgusting I remember watching the whole thing happen.

- the British media constantly criticised everything she did sometimes it wasn't fair.

I really did feel sorry for her as a young black woman. No one should ever get that kind of abuse.

I don't like her as a person because I do find her self centred because she makes everything herself and hypocritical in some ways.

She talks about caring for the environment but she lives in a large house with multiple bedrooms ie library, games room , swimming pool, guest rooms and loads of acres of land. How much energy is being used to heat up that home. If I had a car and a baby and a holiday my carbon footprint would still be lower than Harry and Meghans.

She wants privacy but lives in LA. LA is celebrity central and full of paparazzi in every corner.

more like she's such an outsider based on her race, occupation, and nationality that royal family lovers are gonna be quick to demonize her.


I completely understand and agree, I don't want you to think that my disagreeing with how she's quick to be labeled as narc means that everyone should relate to her struggles. I don't care for meghan or henry i just don't like disingenuity around her being a secret manipulator.

I don't like how people label her a narcissist because I find it very irresponsible for people who are not medically qualified to be making assessments like that.

I am just annoyed at how Meghan was called an inspiration when thousands of women have opened up about being suicidal and risked losing their kids. The reality is mothers who do open up about being suicidal have risk of losing their kids. Men in custody battles have used a women own mental health issued against them to stop them having custody , social services sometimes in the past have given mothers a hard time. There some social workers who are very prejudiced towards parents who are on low Income or have disabilities.

Society ignores these women always

 

[Pure]

Meghan markle did encounter racism while in the UK and the evidence is overwhelming .

- Before her wedding Harry and her were sent a package to their home which contained poisonous white powder

- series of racist social media messages

- When her son was born a bbc presenter Danny Baker treated a racist image of a couple holding a monkey and it said the royal baby. This man British celebrities and his collegues in the BBC were defending him. The BBC suspended him but later gave back his job. He still has a career in the BBC. The whole thing was disgusting I remember watching the whole thing happen.

- the British media constantly criticised everything she did sometimes it wasn't fair.

I really did feel sorry for her as a young black woman. No one should ever get that kind of abuse.

I don't like her as a person because I do find her self centred because she makes everything herself and hypocritical in some ways.

She talks about caring for the environment but she lives in a large house with multiple bedrooms ie library, games room , swimming pool, guest rooms and loads of acres of land. How much energy is being used to heat up that home. If I had a car and a baby and a holiday my carbon footprint would still be lower than Harry and Meghans.

She wants privacy but lives in LA. LA is celebrity central and full of paparazzi in every corner.

I agree with you about her carbon footprint. I dislike wealthy people who talk about being environmentally conscious but then actively have a higher carbon footprint than working class or poor people. It's sensitive for me because many of them believe that the solution to climate change is having less children, which as you point out, doesn't equal more carbon output.

I considered her move to LA due to the fact she grew up there.

 

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It's an awful situation in society that should be taken on a case-by-case basis. If the children would be in danger of serious neglect or abuse, their needs should come first IMO. The advantage that upper classes have is endless availability of therapy, support and facilities. It's not at all nice that we let people fall through the cracks, but caring well for children helps prevent generational cycles from repeating.

Pluto In the 21st century many people still believe an individual with a mental illness is dangerous or a bad person. Having a mental illness doesn't make a person dangerous because mental illness is a spectrum ranging from mild to severe. People with milder and moderate conditions their illness doesn't really effect day to day living wheras those with more severe illness ie psychosis these illness severely make modern living difficult. People with mental illness should be helped and treated with compassion not excluded from society.

The people that hold these prejudices against mentally ill are making decisions that effect people's lives ie the judiciary, the police and other institutions of the state. This is the very scary part.

If a mother is on low Income or has mental issues she will always be seen by society as a bad mother. As women care expected to conform to a standard of motherhood when they become mothers. In every generation women who become high standards of behaviour are expected of them .

There are thousands of mothers who have opened up about being suicidal and risked losing their kids. The reality is mothers who do open up about being suicidal have risk of losing their kids. The risk always there. Men in custody battles have used a women own mental health issues against them to stop them having custody , social services sometimes in the past have given mothers a hard time. There some social workers who are very prejudiced towards parents who are on low Income or have disabilities.

Society is not fighting for these women.

That woman that Prince Harry married, Meghan Markle, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I watched a few videos by experts who had reached this conclusion and it was pretty convincing. She wasn't suicidal - she was using the threat of suicide as a manipulation tactic.

I blame Harry for the failing to handle this situation. If my loved one was mentally ill and suicidal I would protect them and tell the media to leave us alone.

It is irresponsible for a man to allow his pregnant wife who rescently had a miscarriage to go on TV and give such an emotional interview.

Harry should have dealt with this privately with his family rather than engage this media circus.

I believe Harry never forgave his family for his mum's death. He is still angry at how his family badly treated his mum while she was alive and he is angry at the media over her death. The resentment is shows.

Watching that Oprah interview as a black British woman I was actually ashamed of my country. I was ashamed because that interview was a national embrassment.

People who don't live in the UK watching that interview will believe this how British people behave. My anuite in America phoned my grandmother telling her how Britain was racist which is why they didn't want a mixed race royal. I grandmother who is messed race told my auntie in America the interview was " full of lies"

I blame Harry more