Will we go to hell?

[Z-A]

Throwing you into hell because you don't like what they created and just want to escape it. A very merciful god (sadist*) indeed.

 

[lastexit717@proton.]

He is actually portrayed multiple times talking about hell, like in the gosepel of matthew where he says "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
But of course almost every "eyewitness" account in the gospels(and bible in general) should be taken with a grain of salt considering the concensus of academic scholars is that none of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. Not to mention the synoptic relationship, many contradictions, etc.

Funnily enough, at some points in the old testament the concept of the afterlife is portrayed as a place where the dead are sent indiscriminately.

Haha yeas i always forgot original israelites belived good or bad we were heading to a miserable eternal void , kinda edgy lol, old testament has no chill.

 

[ryba]

i don't know much about Protestant theology, but i can try to offer some perspective from a Catholic point-of-view. i'm far from an expert and not very well-read, but i hope something i say is useful.

firstly, i like to consider the Sixth Commandment to be "thou shalt not murder" rather than "thou shalt not kill." it's hard to believe a soldier conscripted into the military against his will or someone who kills in self-defense would be sentenced to eternal punishment. that's also the understanding of the Church. there is a difference between killing and murder.

historically, it was thought that suicide condemned you to Hell no matter the circumstance. over time, that stance has somewhat softened, and there is a lot of room for interpretation. for example, the Church now acknowledges the existence of mental illnesses, and the presence of a mental illness can lessen the blame on you for taking your own life. suicide is a sin, but it might not be grave enough to condemn you to Hell depending on your circumstances.

in short, if you are not in full presence of mind or if you are in a situation beyond your control where suicide is forced upon you, the current thinking is it is not an automatic ticket to Hell.

that being said, we can never be certain of God's grace. i try to keep in mind that when i off myself, i might just be exchanging one Hell for another.

 

[UNvisible_]

I don't think hell is real, it's a made up concept to scare others into following religion. What I never understood is why not following or leaving is the biggest most unforgivable sin and why apostates should be killed. Give me proof, real undeniable proof and I'll consider it, but for now I'm happy believing there's nothing after.

 

[Raindancer]

He is actually portrayed multiple times talking about hell, like in the gosepel of matthew where he says "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
But of course almost every "eyewitness" account in the gospels(and bible in general) should be taken with a grain of salt considering the concensus of academic scholars is that none of the gospels were written by eyewitnesses. Not to mention the synoptic relationship, many contradictions, etc.

Funnily enough, at some points in the old testament the concept of the afterlife is portrayed as a place where the dead are sent indiscriminately.

The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claimed that they are divine rather than human in nature. Jesus actually talks more about hell than heaven.

 

[Alltheywanted]

Even if so, it just means we would be separated from god for forever. The same guy that did all this shit to us.
I'm an atheist but that doesn't sound much worse from what I experience now. Actually even better as I wouldn't have to work ;v

 

[shelterwhereisleep]

Yeah. I don't believe it in and fear that I'm wrong.

 

[dreamscape1111]

This is somewaht reassuring , thanks for sharing.

Welcome, dear friend.

You are Heaven. You are Eternal. You are God.

Here's a wonderful compilation of "near-death-experiencers" sharing their insights from Infinite Unconditional Love:

 

[thenamingofcats]

Teaching kids hell is real is just another form of child abuse that haunts them their entire lives. It also teaches them to do good so they don't get punished, not to do good for the pursuit of making the world better.

 

[Leiden]

Possibly

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

I read the news a lot since its interesting and is a nice distraction from my own life. I think I remember some mass shooter a few years ago said something like "going to hell or being denied from heaven can't be based on actions, because then everyone would go to hell". Obviously he comitted a terrible crime, but I remember thinking it was an interesting take. You could make an argument that even the most virtuous people are complicit in modern conflicts or the rampant poverty in all societies.

I personally don't think it would make sense if "faith in the one true god" was a requirement for heaven either, since it leaves too many people who, through no fault of their own, may never be exposed to the concept of one god (or religion in general). I don't think a god who was playing fair would use that to judge people, despite what all the religions trying to poach followers from each other say.

If an 80 year old with dementia who murders someone dies and is sent to heaven or hell, will they be sent with the mind of an 80- year old with dementia or their 20 year old normally functioning brain? Are they judged for the decisions they made while living with dementia? What if they were exposed to lead as a child or were abused and developed aggressive tendencies (like the 14 year old mass shooter whose court case was a few weeks ago idr his name)? Is that really all their fault?

And if we assume our great grandparents are sent to heaven or hell, then what about apes, monkeys, rats, and fish, all of which are our direct ancestors if each of us were to trace back our own family trees by millions of years. Are some fish in heaven or hell? How is that determined when their actions are all instinctual and they don't have the ability to comprehend the concept of "god". What about toddlers who die at 1 or 2 years old and never developed a full brain?

I believe sorting all the "virtuous but complicit in evil", virtuous non-believers, dementia sufferers, abused child serial killers, monkeys, fish, and toddlers would be impossible to do in an objectively fair way, especially by a god that supposedly loves all of creation.



I also think that even if you believe that at one point Jesus or Mohammed had the lord our god on speed dial, we've gone for far too long with regular joe schmo humans manipulating the church, the rules, and the scripture itself to be able to trust anyone other than yourself. I doubt any of it is real, but if it were I would want reincarnation or heaven as a different person, and I'd want it for everyone (no hell), so that is what I believe. I don't need advice on why this is supposedly wrong from organizations that are single-handedly responsible for more war crimes and crimes against humanity than any modern nation. I don't think you should either. Nothing against going to church or being apart of an organized religion, but your faith within that religion is yours alone to decide. Don't let manipulative people push their own personal interpretations of church documents onto you.



"Beware of false prophets"
-Jesus, world renowned jewish criminal and skeptic of all organized religion, church leaders, wealth, traditions, and most roman societal institutions.

 

[untothedepths]

In this world of suffering, if I go to hell, it's because I was destined to, not because of my own free will. Not because I was going to be objectively, fairly judged for my actions based upon everything I've been through, the body and brain I had to operate on, and the time against eternity. Because in the flimsy amount of time I've spend on this world you're telling me I'll be subjected to the worst possible torment forever?

So to that - God doesn't exist to me. 'God' is the conceptualization of zealous, blind hatred that humanity is capable of, because forgiveness, understanding, and compassion are droughts in humanity. It is easier to hate than to love.

If I go to hell, at any capacity, then I'll find out whoever sent me there, somehow reach them, and drag them down with me. To condemn all human beings for first creating each one and then putting them on this hellscape world with no reason is unforgivable to me. That would be the most evil being imaginable. That is not some "all loving god".

 

[Red Moon]

I'm Christian myself, according to some NDE experiences they said it's real and others said hell wasn't real. I don't know but I'm sticking to my beliefs and religion regardless. I don't force it upon anyone.

 

[dreamscape1111]

Please watch this, everyone, it's deeply touching and comforting no matter if you plan to go by yourself or of natural causes.

God's Love truly is unconditional, I've experienced it on powerful psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT, they're not a hallucination, they actually reveal that life is God's hallucination and that we are one with the creator, no matter what.

 

[iloverachel]

We're already in hell

Agreed
I can't imagine a place worse than the hell we are in

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Religion isn't real and neither is the religious interpretation of heaven/hell. The best hell that we currently have is hell on earth

I have nothing against people who believe/need to believe.

I don't mind people believing in what they do (even if they believe that I should suffer infinitely long in hell because of their religion). What I do mind, however, is them trying to impose their beliefs onto other people. Sadly my parents are imposing their religious beliefs on to me as it's really infuriating

What I never understood is why not following or leaving is the biggest most unforgivable sin and why apostates should be killed.

Those things are a sin because religion thrives with numbers and scaring people to believe in the religion

 

[Dark Window]

I cannot disprove hell, but I cannot disprove any afterlife.

But it seems almost certain to me that hell was an invention to scare people into obedience.

 

[UNvisible_]

Religion isn't real and neither is the religious interpretation of heaven/hell. The best hell that we currently have is hell on earth

I don't mind people believing in what they do (even if they believe that I should suffer infinitely long in hell because of their religion). What I do mind, however, is them trying to impose their beliefs onto other people. Sadly my parents are imposing their religious beliefs on to me as it's really infuriating

Those things are a sin because religion thrives with numbers and scaring people to believe in the religion

Very true unfortunately, I wish it wasn't the case but I guess it's hard for some people to leave the religion they were born into even if it brings them misery. My mum is the same way, I've just started zoning her out. The only reason she follows is fear of hell, so sometimes it angers me a little coz religions made her so miserable but she keeps holding on.

 

[xinino]

True. Religion is just a tool used to control people. None of it is real

That's disrespect

Agreed
I can't imagine a place worse than the hell we are in

I can imagine it

 

[lebrodude]

You'll be reborn straight back into the life you just left to experience life the exact same way you did before. And the time before that , and the time before that, into infinitium

Perhaps that's really hell.

 

[timetodie24]

I don't believe we go anywhere. We are nothing without our brains so once that's shutdown, we're gone.

If hell is real then at least we can have a SaSu reunion there !

 

[AnxietyHangover]

I agree with the sentiment that whatever hell we'll go to, it can't be much worse than this place we are living in now.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Life is cruel. Why should the afterlife be any different?

-Davy Jones

I foresee us grasping and clawing at each other for eternity in the River Styx.

 

[divinemistress36]

Please watch this, everyone, it's deeply touching and comforting no matter if you plan to go by yourself or of natural causes.

God's Love truly is unconditional, I've experienced it on powerful psychedelics like 5-MeO-DMT, they're not a hallucination, they actually reveal that life is God's hallucination and that we are one with the creator, no matter what.

Dmt sounds like a beautiful experience

 

[BardBarrie]

Hi guys! I hope you are all coping well today? Does it bother anyone else what happens after death? Is suicide truley a violation of "you shall not kill" as a protestant Christian i must say it does bother me i may end up in hell? I plan to ask the church myself tomorow as i look upon my ctb as euthanasia moreso than suicide? What about war? Are all allied soldiers in hell too? I think not. What about doctors administrating maid in foreign countries are they destined for hell too? Maybe not. I would be interested in hearing your guys views on this. Thanks

There's no evidence for any of these religious claims.

Hell even Moses broke "Thou Shall Not Kill" when he ordered the massacre of civilians partying after he came down from Mount Sinai — carrying the very Commandments in tablet form — in Exodus: 32.

Besides, even if one of the Earth's religions was true then you'd still have the issue of determining which of the 99,999 belief systems is the "correct" one.

Nobody knows what happens after death, anyone trying to tell you the opposite is ultimately engaging in speculation.

 

[Little_Suzy]

The Catholic Church does not condemn suicidal behavior among those who are mentally ill and lack rationality. I am not only saved, but also on my way to heaven!

All you can eat & drink wine, pasta, pizza, and Taco Tuesdays wt Bottomless Margaritas!

 

[netslayer]

I'll be like the year 1867. You didn't exist then. I believe that's where I will be going, non-existent.

 

[Arachno]

I hope not, the thought of that really scares me. I just cope that heaven and hell were made up to control people and that they don't exist. My OCD keeps bothering me with religion and afterlife shit and I fucking hate it.

 

[tvo]

There are some people who believe it's in some people's soul contract to commit suicide it's interesting

Yes, I have come across this "soul contracts" a lot in my quest for answers (why do I exist?). It's quite a fascinating and triggering concept, the idea that we plan our Earth lives before birth (including our exit points/death), and in this context then all physical deaths are suicides.

 

[User_7304]

Hi guys! I hope you are all coping well today? Does it bother anyone else what happens after death? Is suicide truley a violation of "you shall not kill" as a protestant Christian i must say it does bother me i may end up in hell? I plan to ask the church myself tomorow as i look upon my ctb as euthanasia moreso than suicide? What about war? Are all allied soldiers in hell too? I think not. What about doctors administrating maid in foreign countries are they destined for hell too? Maybe not. I would be interested in hearing your guys views on this. Thanks

Suicide is a sin but it's a forgivable sin so I don't think you'll necessarily go to hell for that reason. Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin. I think as long as believe in him you shall have eternal life