Will Trump win the noble peace prize by bombarding Iran and toppling their regime?

[noname223]

Not Sure what to think of it. It is impressive how Israel kills the Iranian military leaders. In general Israel has insanely good intelligence Services. You have to remind yourself how small the country/population is. Maybe Israel's intelligence is dependent on the US but that probably counts vice versa.

Are they war mongerers? Yes
Do they undermine Western values and make us Look like hypocrites? Yes
But their bombing led to the fall of Assad.

I would never defend the genocide. The nightmarish war crimes in Gaza.

I had the discussion with my friends. Can you Look at the actions from Israel seperately? Probably not. But I would Not equate Them. And they also kill civilians in Iran. But wouldn't the Fall of the Mullah regime might be something good. Or at least has the potential of something good. What Do you think?

And the title of the thread is of course irony.

 

[nobeertonight]

Not Sure what to think of it. It is impressive how Israel kills the Iranian military leaders. In general Israel has insanely good intelligence Services. You have to remind yourself how small the country/population is. Maybe Israel's intelligence is dependent on the US but that probably counts vice versa.

Are they war mongerers? Yes
Do they undermine Western values and make us Look like hypocrites? Yes
But their bombing led to the fall of Assad.

I would never defend the genocide. The nightmarish war crimes in Gaza.

I had the discussion with my friends. Can you Look at the actions from Israel seperately? Probably not. But I would Not equate Them. And they also kill civilians in Iran. But wouldn't the Fall of the Mullah regime might be something good. Or at least has the potential of something good. What Do you think?

And the title of the thread is of course irony.

If you want to be even more disgusted you should look up the history of the first intifadas, allegedly one of Israel's PMs at the time suggested breaking the arms of kids throwing rocks at tanks.

They are trying to mask themselves saying they want to overthrow a regime and to their right a lot of Iranian people are pro-Israel because of how much they hate their government, but they are really only looking for their own gain here, plus they can't win in a long term conflict, yes they are superior in terms of intelligence but a country that small against one that big simply lacks the resources, look at Russia v Ukraine, Ukraine is getting all of the most advanced western technologies but will still lose because Russia has potentially infinite resources.

Plus no democracy has ever spawned from a foreign initiated conflict, this is exactly what the US was doing in Latin America when it was overthrowing comunist government "for the good of the oppressed"

As for Assad, it's uncertain wether Israel had a role in that, the whole Syrian conflict is a giant bag of worms. Al Joulani probably did have a western backing in exchange for reassurances regarding the new regime he will instaurate.

 

[noname223]

If you want to be even more disgusted you should look up the history of the first intifadas, allegedly one of Israel's PMs at the time suggested breaking the arms of kids throwing rocks at tanks.

They are trying to mask themselves saying they want to overthrow a regime and to their right a lot of Iranian people are pro-Israel because of how much they hate their government, but they are really only looking for their own gain here, plus they can't win in a long term conflict, yes they are superior in terms of intelligence but a country that small against one that big simply lacks the resources, look at Russia v Ukraine, Ukraine is getting all of the most advanced western technologies but will still lose because Russia has potentially infinite resources.

Plus no democracy has ever spawned from a foreign initiated conflict, this is exactly what the US was doing in Latin America when it was overthrowing comunist government "for the good of the oppressed"

As for Assad, it's uncertain wether Israel had a role in that, the whole Syrian conflict is a giant bag of worms. Al Joulani probably did have a western backing in exchange for reassurances regarding the new regime he will instaurate.

It is clear neither the US nor Israel are doing it for democratic norms and human rights. I would never pretend that. Under Trump the US even are not even pretending that. They are more open about their goals in the region. It is not democracy export anymore.

Of course Israel is playing a charade. But it does not really matter to me when we look at the outcome and the measures they had to take to achieve their goals. For example, the ratio of how many civilians get murdered is for me important.

I think though Israel is way more powerful than Iran. Especially, when the US backs them. (even if the US do it only lackluster). They just had to topple the government. According to media reports Israel had the strategic opportunity to kill Khamenei but Trump did not give them the go. If they killed him the Iranian regime might collapsed. I don't think there would necessarily still be a war between Israel and Iran if that happened. I would not compare the conflict with Ukraine/Russia.

 

[EternalShore]

It's sad that we kicked out Assad tho because even tho he wasn't very great, he protected minorities and didn't lead an Islamic government that was allied to ISIS at 1 point like the new guys are~ >_<

It'd be neat if the Iranian government fell tho~ :) just that I hope we could swoop in and pick up the pieces super duper fast, so something like ISIS doesn't rise up! >_< So that we could free them from all the sharia restrictions of the Iranian government~ :) Plus, it'd be great to take out another one of the Axis of Evil before they get nuclear weapons like North Korea (as they're trying to build rn)~ >_< they've been trying to build them for decades, but North Korea was too~

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

It would be so ironic if someone won the Nobel peace prize by waging war. That's nuclear Gandhi levels of irony.