Will this work?

[galaticgrizzly]

Would going to a therapist or medical doctor to try to figure out the cause of the compulsive eating might be an option? what they say to you is wrong. You do have value, and sometime you need to look outside of your family to get the love you deserve.

I already have a therapist. I've had an eating disorder since I was six

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

I was raped and it was my fault and I don't deserve to live because I am a fat selfish pig like my parents say

Hi there. First off, fuck anyone who says that to you, parents or not. Second, you didn't rape yourself so don't make yourself responsible for what someone else chose to do. You may have been in a risky situation knowingly or a situation that was supposed to be safe, but no matter what you choose to do, the rape was the rapist's decision. I've been there and I know how it takes over your brain but it's a lie. It's not your fault and it never was.

 

[k75]

I just don't see why I should keep living tbh

Ultimately it's your decision, but please at least give up this plan. There's a reason nobody chooses to like this.

There are many superior methods just on the first page of this forum. Please at least read through them.

But I really hope you decide to allow yourself to be helped. I can only listen and share my experiences, but I'm here for you if you ever want to pm me.

 

[galaticgrizzly]

Would going to a therapist or medical doctor to try to figure out the cause of the compulsive eating might be an option? what they say to you is wrong. You do have value, and sometime you need to look outside of your family to get the love you deserve.

My therapist doesn't really help me with that and I can't get another one

 

[Flippy]

Feeling distressed will make it hard to see reason to live. There are lots of people here that feel anxiety, distress and depression. I would imagine you re experiencing all of those things. I'm sure there will be lots of people here who could give you advice on how to deal with those things. I hope you can find another therapist maybe. The thing about mental health professionals is that for as long as you are recovering everything is great. When you don't they can get a bit impatient. You can always vent in these forums. It may do you good! :-)

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

I'm sure it wasn't your fault at all! Have you called the police about this?

Calling the police doesn't do anything unless the victim is a young child or it was a boogeyman jumping out of the bushes. I know it was meant well but personally I would never ever recommend anyone go to the police for such a thing.

 

[Ghost2211]

Rape is never the fault of the victim. Is there anywhere else you can live away from your parents?

 

[Flippy]

Calling the police doesn't do anything unless the victim is a young child or it was a boogeyman jumping out of the bushes. I know it was meant well but personally I would never ever recommend anyone go to the police for such a thing.

I wasn't sure from her initial posts if this had just happened to her so I thought I would ask. I understand what you mean completely though. :-(

 

[galaticgrizzly]

Would going to a therapist or medical doctor to try to figure out the cause of the compulsive eating might be an option? what they say to you is wrong. You do have value, and sometime you need to look outside of your family to get the love you deserve.

I don't

Rape is never the fault of the victim. Is there anywhere else you can live away from your parents?

no

 

[Ghost2211]

Have you been to a medical doctor about this and had thorough bloodwork done? There can be a lot of physical and treatable reasons for over eating and constant hunger.

 

[galaticgrizzly]

Have you been to a medical doctor about this and had thorough bloodwork done? There can be a lot of physical and treatable reasons for over eating and constant hunger.

I've had lots of bloodwork done

 

[Ghost2211]

Im sorry, thats a messed up position they have put you in. If they tell you you're doing it for attention tell them they can leave you alone then. If they tell belittle you for your eating issues or weight just point out to them it's their fault for guilting and shaming instead of supporting.

All i can really offer you is a friend and someone to talk to. I hope you are able to find peace it whatever path you choose to take. I dont think you deserve to be punished or suffer for an eating disorder, after all it only hurts you. If you do choose to ctb please at least consider a less awful method.

you are a valuable person, and you are not alone. we are all here.

 

[Quarky00]

Hi @galaticgrizzly You're new here , literally joined today ...

I've read everything you wrote . I know you've tried everything and reached the end You have no options left .

You've also tried many methods and determined . However , I'm sorry , your plan will not work

I'm sure you've read around and explored . But as you've seen there are many things you are unaware of (like F/H) . "Infection" is not deadly 99% of cases ; toxicology , bacteriology , and virology are complex.

I can't offer any advice or solution or comfort . Sorry . You have a myriad of horrible things inside/around you that you cannot control ..... But your decision to die is one thing you can control . And I respect it .

 

[galaticgrizzly]

Everyone on quora says it will cause a massive infection. I know that's not the best place to get medical advice, but neither is here, if we're being honest

Hi @galaticgrizzly You're new here , literally joined today ...

I've read everything you wrote . I know you've tried everything and reached the end You have no options left .

You've also tried many methods and determined . However , I'm sorry , your plan will not work

I'm sure you've read around and explored . But as you've seen there are many things you are unaware of (like F/H) . "Infection" is not deadly 99% of cases ; toxicology , bacteriology , and virology are complex.

I can't offer any advice or solution or comfort . Sorry . You have a myriad of horrible things inside/around you that you cannot control ..... But your decision to die is one thing you can control . And I respect it .

How do you know for a fact it won't work?

 

[Quarky00]

@galaticgrizzly , you were greeted with kindness and help , I'm sorry that you reject that

We're not here to give "medical advice" . However , people have dedicated a lot to research this , check for example the PPH , does that look like Quora ? --

PPH_DEC_2019.pdf - AnonFiles

anonfile.com

Or Stan's "gastric tour" :

So let me explain how I came to the op. The PPH (specifically in the SN method to me is seemingly designed for those with physical ailments and are not on a cocktail of drugs to assist with their MH issues. A lot of posts here show quite rightly individuals looking at the regimen and highlight concerns with regard to adverse effects with their ongoing treatment. Especially in the areas of meto and acid regulators. In the past I came up with a crazy idea or two on how to get the SN into your system, and then my further research discounted them. So this is the approach I took to how the oral intake of SN could be done specifically for that profile of person. I got a clean piece of paper and started to track (with 100% help from the internet) the journey of SN from the mouth to the point SN entered the blood stream and all the metabolic processes that the body employs to remove toxins. Also the effect that SN has on our physiology to see if anything can enhance the process in either speed or efficiency. Doing that, I then cross referenced the PPH suggested regimen to understand what component works for what part of the digestive process. Hopefully some people would have noticed that through my research I said that SN is not a practical solution for those that suffer ulcers anywhere in their digestive tract based on this research. That is not in the PPH!

So I am going to go through the 'Sesame Street' version of human digestion so you get closer to why I suggested the above. So you drink the SN, it hits your mouth, nothing there to be seen or done for digestion. Goes down the gullet, meets a sphincter that controls both the entry of food into the stomach and stops gastric juices coming up which will give pain if allowed to do so. Then it hits the stomach. The stomach itself does nothing to send nutrients into the bloodstream. Its a big grinding machine that infuses the 'food' with enzymes and acid to help break down the food into a mush before the sphincter at the bottom end of your stomach allows passage into the small intestine.

Ok - so what is this gastric juices? Well there are a lot of enzymes and this thing called Hydrochloric Acid. A chemical! Interesting! What does that mean? Chemical formula for SN meeting your gastric juices would be 3NaNO2 + 2HCl → 2NaCl + NaNO3 + 2NO + H2O. Still lost me! Can you speak English please? So basically, when SN hits your stomach, the acid there works to convert it into other things such as regular table salt, Nitric oxide, Sodium Nitrate and water. None of those are really what you want. So reducing the HCL prevents SN being converted to something else? Yes, correct. Well how do we minimise this? It needs something to neutralise the HCL acid. More commonly you want to create a chemical reaction like this, Mg(OH)2(s) + 2HCl(aq) → 2H2O(l) + MgCl2(aq). You are at it again Stan! Speak English damn you! OK - what you need is an antacid with magnesium hydroxide in it. Why do you recommend that one over others? Well there are a number of other alkali that neutralise stomach acid, but this is the most benign on the list and has minimal to no conflict with other medications. It is generally known as Milk of Magnesia. Where do you find that? Any regular pharmacy without prescription. Can I use other non prescription antacid? Yes you can, I just stated Milk of Magnesia as it was the easiest when looking at some other drug interactions. But most are simple and cause no adverse effects.

So the SN is in our stomach, but you said that's not the place where the SN moves into the bloodstream. That's correct! Two main sphincters in the stomach, the one at the top already addressed and the one at the bottom which controls the movement into the small intestine where the nutrients (or SN in this case) transfers (and I am over simplifying this) into the bloodstream. Ah! So using meto is vital because it moves things faster into the small intestine? No! If you think that the reason Meto exists is for people who have conditions such as Gastroparesis where they cannot pass food very well. The key word here is food. What we are doing if we have followed the fasting process is give the stomach water. Yes, the SN is suspended in water but the stomach isn't a complex lab where it tests everything before it passes it through. But it does recognises two things. One that it is water and the body craves hydration so it will give that substance a priority pass to move to the small intestine. Secondly, the stomach does not need to mash it up to make it easier for the small intestine to cope with.

So what does that mean in conclusion? This is up for your debate and I take no offence in challenges, rebukes or proof that it is wrong. After all, this is a resource to help everyone pass peacefully with minimum stress and discomfort. Remember my premise for investigating this was that people understood that some of the regimen drugs recommended where in conflict with their existing prescription. Plus my personal opinion that the PPH has over-baked the regimen to reach the end goal (preparing yourself physically to ingest the SN).

Regimen DrugObjective of DrugAlternative viewMetoclopramideantiemetic

Moves food quicker into small intestineIf you have followed the fast. The natural human digestive process will move the liquid quickly into the small intestine to help the body hydrate.

With this fact out of the way, you could then look for an antiemetic that does not conflict with your existing meds (as long as it it the right type)RanitidineReduce stomach acid over a period of timeA drug that will reduce stomach acid but may also have serious interactions with other meds. The goal is to reduce the HCL in the stomach and the same goal can be reached by taking a stat dose of Milk of magnesia.

We are not here to "give answers" or "directions" ... If you want to ctb please do your own research, don't trust random people (including me!:)

 

[galaticgrizzly]

@galaticgrizzly , you were greeted with kindness and help , I'm sorry that you reject that

We're not here to give "medical advice" . However , people have dedicated a lot to research this , check for example the PPH , does that look like Quora ? --

PPH_DEC_2019.pdf - AnonFiles

anonfile.com

Or Stan's "gastric tour" :



We are not here to "give answers" or "directions" ... If you want to ctb please do your own research, don't trust random people (including me!:)

I wasn't rejecting it, I just think there are other ways that are not on here, and unfortunately, I have no other way. All other methods have failed and SN is not attainable to me since I still live with my parents (I'm 18) and they check all packages since I have ordered stuff like that before

 

[Quarky00]

I wasn't rejecting it

When you say SS no place to seek advice you are kinda rejecting it ....

It appears that nothing in this thread is of any use to you..
I'm sorry for what you've been through and I wish you peace

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

I wasn't rejecting it, I just think there are other ways that are not on here, and unfortunately, I have no other way. All other methods have failed and SN is not attainable to me since I still live with my parents (I'm 18) and they check all packages since I have ordered stuff like that before

Can you get a private mailbox? It sounds like mail privacy might be nice regardless.

 

[galaticgrizzly]

Can you get a private mailbox? It sounds like mail privacy might be nice regardless.

Not without them knowing I think

 

[Reallyreallyreally]

Not without them knowing I think

If you're 18 and you have money and they don't comb through your bank statements then yes you can, unless you live in a teeny tiny little town where everyone gossips about every little thing everyone does. Then yeah, you're probably right.

 

[galaticgrizzly]

If you're 18 and you have money and they don't comb through your bank statements then yes you can, unless you live in a teeny tiny little town where everyone gossips about every little thing everyone does. Then yeah, you're probably right.

Yeah, I just turned 18. I'm still in high school. I don't have a job yet.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

You've had some good advice here and offers of support. Don't do this. It won't work and you'll suffer. If that's what you want then no one can stop you. The support will be here if and when you need it.
And rape is never the victim's fault, ever.
If you have an eating disorder that is an illness, there are ways around it. It's not your fault you have it but it's your choice how you deal with it. If your family don't listen then they are at fault. You are an adult and can be responsible for yourself.
As I've said, regardless of your situation, there is support here for you. But not to do something harmful and inhumane.