Will I be accepted into heaven?

[WorthlessCoward]

Dude, don't worry about that, remember what Heinrich Heine said

"Of course God will forgive me; that's His job."

 

[LookAway]

Abandon all faith, ye who enters SaSu.

This is the last place to look for any sort of push of faith or anything like that.
All you're going to have is a bunch of people mocking you judging you and making fun of your beliefs and your background.
Honestly seeing how a lot of people here are no wonder why we're suicidal.

I would be too if I was arrogant sCiEnTiSt who thinks that the way they see reality and what they think reality is what it must be that anyone else that thinks against them is wrong but then points fingers at Christians when they are a hundred times worse than Christians.
We were having a discussion in chat last night and someone literally said that they don't have to respect other people's beliefs and that they don't respect people's beliefs. I said "Don't expect other people to accept yours"

And they quit responding.

 

[RW__Asher23]

I answered a post similar to this once quite a while ago though. My faith and I am believer and "Christian" but our faith does this according to what we know and Theologians have suggested as well. If you have suffered to the extent that your prayers have not helped and you are of an illness medical or mental and you are suffering in such a way that you mind is not able to cope then you are considered afflicted by man's world and suffer a human disease and are "Sick" God does not reject or punish those who are sick, blind, or deaf. If you take your life to end the suffering you have and there has been no help from prayers the first thing is to forgive yourself and then God will forgive you. Forgiveness is above all else. If you can do that he knows your suffering and you will be ok. But, that is our faith. My faith. I don't know what your faith teaches you. I know I will be ok. I am sick both with mental and physical illness. Mentally because of how my life is now. The latter being Diagnosed as a terminal illness. I am also Deaf. I use sign language. Can't hear. I used to hear though. But I wish you Peace and allow yourself time to think and pray and then decide what you and only you can know to ctb or continue and try to endure longer if you can. The choice is always yours and only YOURS. Wish you the best.
Peace.

 

[etherealgoddess]

I'm christian, I was baptized and I have confirmed. I believe in God and in heaven, but I understand that killing myself would go against God's will. I tried to only do good in my life, I was always kind and understanding towards others. I never hurt a soul. But would that matter? I'm sure the lord knows what I'm going through and what's going on in my head, would they understand? I don't think I'm a bad person... I just don't want to suffer anymore in a corrupt world, but I also don't want to suffer eternally in hell, or be forever lost in purgatory. I just want peace. Would my friends and family who have passed be there? Would they still love me? I'm so very afraid. I never wanted anything malicious. I can't go on like this.

Honestly, you need to realize that someone made those rules up. Of course, many of them may be for the greater good like the act of being a good person, but you do have to understand that Christianity is a subset, a written elaboration, of basic spirituality.

The fundamental idea is that whatever you believe confirms itself: it's funny because people that do not believe in spirituality with absolutely no hope that it is real will only find further proof as the universe continues to confirm one's beliefs. Tell yourself, "When I die, I will only go to heaven." Then act like you are going to heaven if you die for any reason--feel natural about it. You made the manifestation, so you should feel that relief that you are, in fact, going to heaven. If you know you are going to heaven regardless of the way you die, are you going to be worrying about whether the manifestation worked or not? Are you going to be worrying if there is some percentage chance that it could go wrong? No. You just have peace because you have inner validation (not looking for any external proof from any of your five senses except your mind that you are manifesting from) that you are going to heaven no matter what.

 

[CandyCane]

If I believed in an afterlife I wouldn't even bother leaving here tbh. I think everything just stops and that's that.

 

[WearyHSP]

Ratliker, none of us can convince you. That's the nature of faith.
I can say that I've prayed every day for years that if God wants me to live, then God should please help me. Praying hasn't helped - my situation continues to worsen on all counts. (I feel like I've done my due diligence on that.)

I don't struggle with the concept of hell like you do (and that's a frightening thought since you belive in it) but I struggle with my belief in reincarnation - that if I give up too soon, before I've completed whatever spiritual task I'm here for, that I'll have to repeat all this torture all over again in my next incarnation. That's not nearly as bad as permanent hell! But still, it's been enough to keep me from attempting ctb (a big reason amongst a few.)

It helps me that I believe God/Source is forgiving. The hail-brimstone-guilt of my early Catholic life never made sense or felt real in my heart.

 

[Escapee]

No, it says in the bible "Suicide is a grave sin equivalent to murder", but god isn't real anyway, so it doesnt matter.

God is real and suicide may or may not be sin but it will surely be covered with the blood of Christ for anyone who believe in him

 

[Escapee]

I'm christian, I was baptized and I have confirmed. I believe in God and in heaven, but I understand that killing myself would go against God's will. I tried to only do good in my life, I was always kind and understanding towards others. I never hurt a soul. But would that matter? I'm sure the lord knows what I'm going through and what's going on in my head, would they understand? I don't think I'm a bad person... I just don't want to suffer anymore in a corrupt world, but I also don't want to suffer eternally in hell, or be forever lost in purgatory. I just want peace. Would my friends and family who have passed be there? Would they still love me? I'm so very afraid. I never wanted anything malicious. I can't go on like this.

I am a follower of Jesus and have no life without him I know how much he loves me and he showed it to me when he died on the cross for me and you. I sometimes resent he didn't take me away from this worthless life. But I know he has a reason for everything.

Your are not going against God's will only when you kill yourself. Everyday we go against his will but we trust his mercy to make us clean again. And if you are a true believer of Jesus you have to know he died for your sin past present and future. Sin has no power to separate you from Jesus. You didn't get you salvation by your work no matter how good it was and you will not lose your salvation by your work no matter how bad it is. That is the logic of salvation you are saved by believing in jesus and you will only lose your salvation by denying Jesus. If you keep believing in jesus till the end of your life you will be with him in heaven. Feel free to pm me if you want to talk more

 

[sorrow_sparrow]

your belief is what u believe...

I cannot say much about this issue since there's no one come back from the afterlife to tell us stories
I don't know god exist or not, or which religion will bring you to heaven, or about punishment concept like heaven or hell or does reincarnate and nirvana is real or not?
nobody knows, this issue is undebatable

Thanks for the kind replies, this gave me some much needed comfort. I'll try to hold out and pray for a bit more. That's all I can do...

so honey, if you have a doubt about CTB then it is not your time,
I agree with you, if more pray makes you more comfortable, then please do...
you may ask this forum a question and get variety of answers, but in the end it's your believe what's matter for you...

be kind, be good...

 

[Escapee]

I don't know if there is anything worse than my life. But my belief is that if sufferings could be measured I am suffering more than anyone else in this forum or in this world. My suffering is this immeasurable.
When you reach to this extraordinary level of suffering you Will get a revelation that suicide at this stage is natural and instinctive . It is a biological response. It will be going against your natural instinct to try to live anymore. You will realise nobody including god can criticize you for it.

People May consider my suicide act as wrong or sin but I have realised that it is not sin at all. In fact criticizing or
aborting my suicide act by will be a sin. And helping me at this time to end my life is the most righteous thing to do for me. If any body want to truly help me they should help to die.

People die by jumping out of a window of a building caught in fire. they prefer to die by jumping than burning alive in the fire. Can you blame these people. Or did they commit sin for saving themselves from burning alive?

So when I am killing my self I am saving my self from the fire burning in me by jumping out of my life. With no consideration where i am landing. There is no time to think about that while i am in the fire.

But the good thing Is God is so compassionate to criticize Me or consider my act as sin. He will welcome you and me with love and compassion and relief.

 

[Challu]

I don't know if there is anything worse than my life. But my belief is that if sufferings could be measured I am suffering more than anyone else in this forum or in this world. My suffering is this immeasurable.
When you reach to this extraordinary level of suffering you Will get a revelation that suicide at this stage is natural and instinctive . It is a biological response. It will be going against your natural instinct to try to live anymore. You will realise nobody including god can criticize you for it.

People May consider my suicide act as wrong or sin but I have realised that it is not sin at all. In fact criticizing or
aborting my suicide act by will be a sin. And helping me at this time to end my life is the most righteous thing to do for me. If any body want to truly help me they should help to die.

People die by jumping out of a window of a building caught in fire. they prefer to die by jumping than burning alive in the fire. Can you blame these people. Or did they commit sin for saving themselves from burning alive?

So when I am killing my self I am saving my self from the fire burning in me by jumping out of my life. With no consideration where i am landing. There is no time to think about that while i am in the fire.

But the good thing Is God is so compassionate to criticize Me or consider my act as sin. He will welcome you and me with love and compassion and relief.

I've been processing it in a similar way.
I would say, however, that we Christians should be honest about our choosing to commit suicide as an incorrect way to think (spiritually)

Suicide assumes that I am in control of my life and that God has no ability to affect or change the circumstances I'm living under that may have related to my decision.

It is most assuredly a sin. Comparing it to scenarios where people have no choice but to accept that they will die, such as choosing to leap out of a burning building, or choosing to fight as a soldier in a losing war, or choosing to push someone out of the way of a speeding car - wouldn't honestly represent the mentality of someone, who from a Christian perspective, wants to commit suicide.

Consider God. The One who gave you life and has authority over your soul. Weigh the reality that you are essentially delivering your naked soul to a God of Love, who also judges fairly. If you relax in the understanding of His Love, that is fine. But a Christian, such as myself, should accept that if I commit suicide, even though I have believed on Christ for the remission of my sins, (including suicide) I would still be potentially exposing myself to a God who sees fit to judge me righteously, in whichever way He chooses. Accept that even though you have believed in Jesus, this sin may result in a judgement of some kind. If you are willing to accept that, then I feel that you are most prepared if you choose to CTB.

Will you be saved? Yes.
Are you condemned? No.

Also, there is no such thing as an everlasting punishment. No sin will ever separate you from the Love of God. God can, however, cast a soul into outer darkness.
Will he do it do a soul that has believed in Christ as Lord? I say, his judgememt would declare if it is needed.

The outer darkness which is symbolized as the lake of fire, exists as a state of being in which a person will be tested and refined by God, so that that person would finally turn to God.
I'm saying that even Christians may be subjected to that judgement, depending on the quality of their faith and the sincerity in their hearts to God.

But you will be saved in the end. Every one will be.

All this being said, I understand what you mean. The circumstances of life, the suffering, joy... the vanity of it all, can make someone, especially a spiritual person, realize that it is better to leave this earthly life and surrender into the peace that God will finally give to a soul after death.
So, I'm not against your decision.

 

[Escapee]

I've been processing it in a similar way.
I would say, however, that we Christians should be honest about our choosing to commit suicide as an incorrect way to think (spiritually)

Suicide assumes that I am in control of my life and that God has no ability to affect or change the circumstances I'm living under that may have related to my decision.

It is most assuredly a sin. Comparing it to scenarios where people have no choice but to accept that they will die, such as choosing to leap out of a burning building, or choosing to fight as a soldier in a losing war, or choosing to push someone out of the way of a speeding car - wouldn't honestly represent the mentality of someone, who from a Christian perspective, wants to commit suicide.

Consider God. The One who gave you life and has authority over your soul. Weigh the reality that you are essentially delivering your naked soul to a God of Love, who also judges fairly. If you relax in the understanding of His Love, that is fine. But a Christian, such as myself, should accept that if I commit suicide, even though I have believed on Christ for the remission of my sins, (including suicide) I would still be potentially exposing myself to a God who sees fit to judge me righteously, in whichever way He chooses. Accept that even though you have believed in Jesus, this sin may result in a judgement of some kind. If you are willing to accept that, then I feel that you are most prepared if you choose to CTB.

Will you be saved? Yes.
Are you condemned? No.

Also, there is no such thing as an everlasting punishment. No sin will ever separate you from the Love of God. God can, however, cast a soul into outer darkness.
Will he do it do a soul that has believed in Christ as Lord? I say, his judgememt would declare if it is needed.

The outer darkness which is symbolized as the lake of fire, exists as a state of being in which a person will be tested and refined by God, so that that person would finally turn to God.
I'm saying that even Christians may be subjected to that judgement, depending on the quality of their faith and the sincerity in their hearts to God.

But you will be saved in the end. Every one will be.

All this being said, I understand what you mean. The circumstances of life, the suffering, joy... the vanity of it all, can make someone, especially a spifritual person, realize that it is better to leave this earthly life and surrender into the peace that God will finally give to a soul after death.
So, I'm not against your decision.

For me suicide is not about saying i am in control of my life and God cannot change my suffering. I know and believe both God is in control and can change my life. But it is the situation I am in that made me unable to think about anything except escaping from the fire burning in my life.

You are mistaken to think suicide cannot be equated to jumping out of a burning building and die. Why? Is it because the later is visible?
You haven't been through what people Like me are going through. If you did you would know there is no difference between the two analogous. So I can't believe suicide is a sin. But I agree with you. I am not God to say what is sin and what is not. And he is righteous in his judgement. But that can't change any thing in my life. even if God says it is a sin to commit suicide I can't stop doing it. Just like the man in the burning building can't change his mind about jumping out if you tell him it is a sin to do that. It is Not the time to weigh the consequences of your action while you are burning alive. No judgment can stop you.

And about anticipating God's judgment after committing suicide yes there may be judgment. but you and I are in different situations. You are not in the burning building you are in a suitable situation to consider God's judgment before making a decision. I can't make that consideration being in the fire.

I can't accept your idea that God test and refine his children in the lake of fire and accept them after that. That is not found in the bible the lake of fire is the last punishment place. There is no coming back.

I appreciate your devotion to God and I am glad to meet you in a forum like this please keep in touch I would love to talk more about spiritual things. Thanks

 

[momdontcryplease]

King Saul killed himself and went to heaven still.

 

[Challu]

King Saul killed himself and went to heaven still.

Everyone that died before Christ's death went to Sheol.

 

[Escapee]

Everyone that died before Christ's death went to Sheol.

How did lazarus meet Abraham in heaven while the wicked rich man burned in hell.

 

[Challu]

How did lazarus meet Abraham in heaven while the wicked rich man burned in hell.

Lazarus was in a place called, "Abraham's bosom", which can be related as a place within Sheol for the blessed/poor in Spirit.

 

[unnormal9]

Death is haven.

 

[DreamEnd]

Everyone is accepted. Death is not the end.

 

[ringo99]

The concepts of religion (all of them), God, soul, heaven and hell were created for the following reasons:

1) The promote the fiction that your actions are judged by a higher power outside this plane of existence
2) To act as a placeholder for mysteries that will be uncovered by science in the future
3) Allow a select few in positions of power to control the masses by pretending to be chosen as spokespersons for said higher power

and above all

4) The allay the fears of oblivion i.e that your life has no meaning beyond death other than the consequences of your actions on the world

If I were you I'd be more concerned about reflecting on the consequences of your actions throughout your life instead of worrying about your non-existent soul being judged by an imaginary bearded guy in the sky

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm sorry you are going through this OP. I was raised in a loosely religious way. I probably lean more towards there not being a God now but I still worry about it and worry about hell as a possibility.

This is slightly off-topic but I suppose I've always wondered- suicide aside- just HOW good do you have to be to get into heaven regardless? Just how many of us would still go to heaven- even if we DIDN'T kill ourselves? I feel like- although I have actually lived too boring a life to sin that badly- my card is already marked!

If I'm honest, funerals used to really upset me. Beyond the whole mourning for the person that had died- I also found the dialogue upsetting. The whole- Whoever believes in Jesus lives on. What about the exceptionally good people in life that aren't religious? I've known some amazingly kind aetheists- MUCH kinder- much more 'Christian' in terms of their actions than any religious people I have met. I guess I've always wondered what happens to them. On the flip side- what happens to those piece of shit peadophile priests who sinned like crazy but confessed?

I don't know. Seeing as this world doesn't seem particularly fair, I hope that those matters are addressed in an afterlife- if there is one. I REALLY hope that your God is compassionate with you when the time comes.

 

[KlMeNw]

A very obtuse way of thinking you have. I was raised a Christian, rejected it and became an atheist like yourself. I bought into Hitch and Dawkins and Dillihunt like they had all the answers, and all it got me was going from being miserable to being miserable and hopeless. Now, after 40 long years in this world, I believe. That's what time does, it gives you perspective and you become less arrogant in thinking you know it all. You see the big picture a little more clearly and all I can say to you is God is real and you will find him if you look. He's always been there, waiting for you to reach your hand out to his. You can feel him, he's that small light in the darkness in the corner of your heart and mind that whispers three words over and over again... There. is. Hope.

 

[SoftWorries]

Not if you've ever eaten shellfish. That's the only thing God cares about. Because he's shaped like a crab. That's why nature loves crab shaped things

In His image

 

[clockwork_cat]

If I turn it on me
If I even it out
Can I still get in, or will they send me to Hell

 

[Das Nichts]

When I went to church as a kid, the rule was always that as long as you believe in Jesus as your savior, it doesn't matter what you do, you'll go to heaven. Jesus died for all your sins.

Actually he "only" died for the weekend before being reincarnated

 

[Challu]

If I turn it on me
If I even it out
Can I still get in, or will they send me to Hell

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

If you haven't done it, yet.. now is always the best time. The important thing is, when you ask for forgiveness, you show God that you understand your need for a savior. The words are not what matters. It is all about an inward faith and acceptance:

"God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!

 

[ChildrensITV]

This thread was hugboxxy and deluded. If everyone on earth killed themselves, then God and the Devil would be sitting down watching animals all day. If everyone on earth killed themselves, then we'd all go to heaven and be watching over a boring empty planet. Nobody would have to go through trials and tests: just kill yourself and get rewarded in heaven. Right?

The thing about sinning is asking for forgiveness after, but if you are not alive after, how can you ask for forgiveness? I have accepted that when I CTB, God will discard me from his mind and plans. I just can't take this life and will do whatever it takes to be in oblivion.

 

[Challu]

This thread was hugboxxy and deluded. If everyone on earth killed themselves, then God and the Devil would be sitting down watching animals all day. If everyone on earth killed themselves, then we'd all go to heaven and be watching over a boring empty planet. Nobody would have to go through trials and tests: just kill yourself and get rewarded in heaven. Right?

The thing about sinning is asking for forgiveness after, but if you are not alive after, how can you ask for forgiveness? I have accepted that when I CTB, God will discard me from his mind and plans. I just can't take this life and will do whatever it takes to be in oblivion.

Someone like you, who can acknowledge that needing forgiveness from God is necessary to go to Heaven, has already demonstrated a willingness to be forgiven, and, even if partly, understands that they are a sinner. Those honest feelings are more effectual to God's heart than you think.

 

[ringo99]

Heaven and hell are human constructs. Worry about what you leave behind here on this earth instead of worrying about a non-existent afterlife