Discussion Why would SN be stopped at UK customs?

[checkouttime]

I didn't see any of the sources reporting people to the police because they weren't a business lol

I mean if you look at it, all these people who claim to have been visited by the police, there all still posting on a suicide forum after this so called visit, so not really much to worry about if that was the case!!!! This visit from the police was that scary they came back on a suicide forum to tell everyone about it, how traumatic it must've been!!

EDIT AWAITS an influx of BS posts about being locked up or sent to a psyche ward or receiving trillion dollar fines!!!!!!!!!!

 

[VicMackey]

I didn't see any of the sources reporting people to the police because they weren't a business lol

I mean if you look at it, all these people who claim to have been visited by the police, there all still posting on a suicide forum after this so called visit, so not really much to worry about if that was the case!!!! This visit from the police was that scary they came back on a suicide forum to tell everyone about it, how traumatic it must've been!!

EDIT AWAITS an influx of BS posts about being locked up or sent to a psyche ward or receiving trillion dollar fines!!!!!!!!!!

I couldn't agree more

 

[checkouttime]

I couldn't agree more

I would be keeping my head down if i'd had one of these 'scary' visits, peronally. not posting all over a suicide forum how they had a visit from the police and lied to them and got away with it, i wouldn't think thats a wise thing IMO.

I noticed one post said this.....

"Luckily I'd prepared an alibi and my nervous mumbling somehow convinced them that it was all good"

They didn't even make an effort and still got away with it, i mean that doesn't really worry me after hearing that either. the police couldn't even tell they were lying when they were mumbling and nervous either, so that says they obviously weren't that arsed about what happened!!!

 

[VicMackey]

I would be keeping my head down if i'd had one of these 'scary' visits, peronally. not posting all over a suicide forum how they had a visit from the police and lied to them and got away with it, i wouldn't think thats a wise thing IMO.

I noticed one post said this.....

"Luckily I'd prepared an alibi and my nervous mumbling somehow convinced them that it was all good"

They didn't even make an effort and still got away with it, i mean that doesn't really worry me after hearing that either. the police couldn't even tell they were lying when they were mumbling and nervous either, so that says they obviously weren't that arsed about what happened!!!

I was thinking attention getting post myself.

 

[checkouttime]

I was thinking attention getting post myself.

Can't say i just believe what people write, just because they say it happened on an internet forum. like i said if you had ,had a visit why would you want to bring more attention to yourself, especially seen as you openly admitted lying to the police. isn't that perverting the course of justice???

 

[Yolonoodle]

SN is a restricted substance under explosive precursors legislation in the UK

 

[UterEntonaur]

I don't even know who that company is anyway, I mean i'd just use the ones that are tried and trusted personally. no point in making things harder than they need to be.

"APC Pure" (also known as Atom Scientific Ltd) is a legit company that's been trading since 2010. They sell all kinds of chemicals/solutions to the public/private/commercial sector and even sell via online marketplaces (such as Ebay with over 150,000+ feedback score)

They're infamous in the UK, because their 50g SN tubs became so popular in "suicide kits" (that you'd buy pre-packaged on the internet), that pressure was placed on the government to add SN as a restricted substance.

You can do further reading/research yourself if you wish but here's an example (WARNING: link contains graphic photos of the victim post-mortem on Page 2).

Spoiler: Picture of "Suicide Kit"

 

[checkouttime]

SN is a restricted substance under explosive precursors legislation in the UK

sodium nitrAte is mentioned under the explosives act

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rs/supplying-explosives-precursors-and-poison

If you look at the next link, it shows that nitrite is in the reportable non-medicinal poisons.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/696133/Poisons_and_chemicals-_Pharmacy_guidance_2018.pdf

It actually tells you what these companies are looking out for lol

Purchaser unsure about what the substance is for or how it is used
Requests for unusually large quantities or repeated requests
Reluctance to provide proof of ID or address
Pays with cash

Labelling needs to be compliant with the CLP (Classification, Labelling and Packaging) Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008.(so what it says on the label will be whats in the bottle as required by LAW, so no need to question if its legit or not)

 

[VicMackey]

"APC Pure" (also known as Atom Scientific Ltd) is a legit company that's been trading since 2010. They sell all kinds of chemicals/solutions to the public/private/commercial sector and even sell via online marketplaces (such as Ebay with over 150,000+ feedback score)

They're infamous in the UK, because their 50g SN tubs became so popular in "suicide kits" (that you'd buy pre-packaged on the internet), that pressure was placed on the government to add SN as a restricted substance.

You can do further reading/research yourself if you wish but here's an example (WARNING: link contains graphic photos of the victim post-mortem on Page 2).

Spoiler: Picture of "Suicide Kit"

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Yeah but the police showing up? Nope. Im not believing it

 

[checkouttime]

"APC Pure" (also known as Atom Scientific Ltd) is a legit company that's been trading since 2010. They sell all kinds of chemicals/solutions to the public/private/commercial sector and even sell via online marketplaces (such as Ebay with over 150,000+ feedback score)

They're infamous in the UK, because their 50g SN tubs became so popular in "suicide kits" (that you'd buy pre-packaged on the internet), that pressure was placed on the government to add SN as a restricted substance.

You can do further reading/research yourself if you wish but here's an example (WARNING: link contains graphic photos of the victim post-mortem on Page 2).

Spoiler: Picture of "Suicide Kit"

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thats fine if they are legit company. thats not the issue, the email doesn't look right and the member saying they hadn't recieved a refund 3-4 months after attempting to buy is not something that happens by 'legit companies that have been trading since 2010".i suspect a company that runs a business as shody as taking 3-4months to refund wouldn't be around very long, i know if i had that attitude with the company oi owned i wouldn't have lasted very long. so it must have been a fake copy of the site??? legit companies don't run business's like that and thats a FACT

 

[BrokenArrow]

I was thinking attention getting post myself.

I'm not attention seeking, just trying to contribute some relevant information to the topic at hand.

Use the search function and you'll find plenty of UK based people being visited by the police for purchasing SN.

It's certainly not traumatic, although I found it slightly nerve wracking. Just get your story straight and prepare for a knock on the door if you order from abroad. You'll be fine.

Plenty of other threads, but here's one: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-police-investigation-uk.59452/

 

[checkouttime]

I might also add the post was edited to include " they never pushed for a refund because it was only £14" a good effort, but ultimately you don't have to 'push' large companies for a refund as they are run correctly and do these things automatically.

secondly they don't have ANY sodium nitrite on sale for £14

 

[GoneAndForgotten]

I'm hoping not to get a knock on the door, my parents are on high alert and the last thing I need is them checking my mail

 

[checkouttime]

I'm not attention seeking, just trying to contribute some relevant information to the topic at hand.

Use the search function and you'll find plenty of UK based people being visited by the police for purchasing SN.

It's certainly not traumatic, although I found it slightly nerve wracking. Just get your story straight and prepare for a knock on the door if you order from abroad. You'll be fine.

I'm sure people can judge wether people have had visits or not . I mean you actually say it wasn't traumatic, wheres others make out it is really scary and nerve racking. I think the variation in stories makes people question what to believe if anything. I mean i personally don't just believe a person has been visited because they say they have, i mean do people really just expect people to believe random strangers and what hey say on the internet. i don't think you can expect people to be that gullible to be fair.

i mean its amazing that police who deal with things day in day out, were so easily fooled by you just mumbling them lies. I mean if they are clever enough to find things at customs, you would think they could spot a mumbling liar!!!! you must be really lucky and got the dumb police or something

 

[BrokenArrow]

I'm sure people can judge wether people have had visits or not . I mean you actually say it wasn't traumatic, wheres others make out it is really scary and nerve racking. I think the variation in stories makes people question what to believe if anything. I mean i personally don't just believe a person has been visited because they say they have, i mean do people really just expect people to believe random strangers and what hey say on the internet. i don't think you can expect people to be that gullible to be fair.

i mean its amazing that police who deal with things day in day out, were so easily fooled by you just mumbling them lies. I mean if they are clever enough to find things at customs, you would think they could spot a mumbling liar!!!! you must be really lucky and got the dumb police or something

That's fair enough - the internet is the land of bullshit and who knows who's telling the truth. It's good to be sceptical and make up your own mind.

I was quite mumbly and nervous, although I did construct a fairly solid alibi about the use of my SN before their arrival. My lies were logical and made sense. Perhaps those police were just dumb though. Who knows.

Either way, it doesn't make any difference if you believe any of this or not. Good luck tho and I hope stuff works out whatever you choose

 

[checkouttime]

That's fair enough - the internet is the land of bullshit and who knows who's telling the truth. It's good to be sceptical and make up your own mind.

I was quite mumbly and nervous, although I did construct a fairly solid alibi about the use of my SN before their arrival. My lies were logical and made sense. Perhaps those police were just dumb though. Who knows.

Either way, it doesn't make any difference if you believe any of this or not. Good luck tho and I hope stuff works out whatever you choose

Exactly people can make up their own mind from what the read. There's enough proof of things etc if they want to read about things and have all the facts, rather than just base it on what us members say.

I mean i would be keeping a low profile if i was you and had been visited and now openly admitted you lied to police. i mean isn't that perverting the course of justice or something similar??? they found you once, they might find you again?

good luck to you too

 

[BrokenArrow]

I mean i would be keeping a low profile if i was you and had been visited and now openly admitted you lied to police. i mean isn't that perverting the course of justice or something similar??? they found you once, they might find you again?

That's a fair concern, but I'm probably going to be dead soon, so what are they going to do? Roll my corpse in front of a jury lol

Also, I never revealed exactly what my alibi was, so pairing an anonymous internet profile to my real identity would be pretty difficult. I think the only way they could do it is they'd have to request the IP addresses of UK site members and then pair them off against SN visits in the UK - all this just to find someone who MIGHT commit suicide.

It would be a huge use of police time and effort and it seems unlikely someone would sign off on this as a police operation. They would also have to find my exact posts amongst the hundreds that get posted here every day which is unlikely and my post history is completely private.

You're still right though, if I wanted to be 100% safe I'd just sign off this site altogether - I just stopped caring a while ago and like posting here I guess lol

Sorry to hijack your thread OP - I hope you get your SN safely and your parents aren't alerted

 

[checkouttime]

That's a fair concern, but I'm probably going to be dead soon, so what are they going to do? Roll my corpse in front of a jury lol

Also, I never revealed exactly what my alibi was, so pairing an anonymous internet profile to my real identity would be pretty difficult. I think the only way they could do it is they'd have to request the IP addresses of UK site members and then pair them off against SN visits in the UK - all this just to find someone who MIGHT commit suicide.

It would be a huge use of police time and effort and it seems unlikely someone would sign off on this as a police operation. They would also have to find my exact posts amongst the hundreds that get posted here every day which is unlikely and my post history is completely private.

You're still right though, if I wanted to be 100% safe I'd just sign off this site altogether - I just stopped caring a while ago and like posting here I guess lol

Sorry to hijack your thread OP - I hope you get your SN safely and your parents aren't alerted

I agree can't see police wasting there time on things like trying to find out if a person who has ordered SN is going to use SN for legit purposes or not. I imagine they aren't looking for imported SN at the top of a list. If you went off what some people post they make it out like SN and N are at the top of the drug agencies list of things to look for lol. I'm sure bombs, weapons and drugs are far more high up on the agenda of customs.,than like you said a random anonymous internet person that might use it for committing suicide. I mean there's always a lot of 'what if's' flying around the site,

i mean i agree with what your saying about time and effort and being able to track peoples history, and link them to someone buying a substance and then get a visit. seems like such a massive 'what if' you probably have more chance of winning the lottery. so if you hadn't even posted of buying anything etc,whats the chances even more so of someone coming round?? i mean i imagine sniffer dogs aren't looking for sodium nitrite lol. and imagine the amount of small bottles that pass through a customs x ray in a day, that aren't even probably labelled on the packaging the same as whats inside? be one hell of an unlucky person for that to happen to them.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I agree can't see police wasting there time on things like trying to find out if a person who has ordered SN is going to use SN for legit purposes or not. I imagine they aren't looking for imported SN at the top of a list. If you went off what some people post they make it out like SN and N are at the top of the drug agencies list of things to look for lol. I'm sure bombs, weapons and drugs are far more high up on the agenda of customs.,than like you said a random anonymous internet person that might use it for committing suicide. I mean there's always a lot of 'what if's' flying around the site,

Totally agree. There's way worse things happening in this world than people buying SN to peacefully end their own life. People are busy importing kilos of cocaine or whatever over the border right now - the police are way more concerned with that.

winning the lottery.

Hopefully this happens before I CTB lol

 

[theresonlyonewayout]

I wish this particular argument would stop now. It's been going on for months and months.

The police don't care if you are suicidal and die - nobody cares - professionals only care if they can be held responsible legally and others (prolifers, friends, family etc) only care if they can be held responsible morally.

Where the police absolutely care 100% is if a UK based company was selling a substance which a coroner reported was the cause of a death (or many deaths in this case).

The police are not checking on your welfare because they want your SN they are checking because they have a list of names which could become evidence or witnesses to a crime.

Whilst clandestine questioning you to see if the company knew the purpose you were intending they would ask to take your SN. See the word 'ask'. They have what's called a 'duty of care' once they are made aware of a situation and so they have to ASK if they can take it away.

If it was to be in the media that the police attended x house, suspected they had SN but didn't ask to take it and then x is found dead having eaten said SN - imagine the prolife fury!!

 

[ihatemyselfsomuch]

I don't understand this fear mongering, my Russian seller I purchased from had no issues with it and I have bought SN from them 3 times now. Royal Mail etc deliver it fine I don't get customs confiscated or police at
My door

Would you mind PMing me the details of this Russian seller, if they're still active?

 

[devin44]

I don't understand this fear mongering, my Russian seller I purchased from had no issues with it and I have bought SN from them 3 times now. Royal Mail etc deliver it fine I don't get customs confiscated or police at
My door

Could you PM me a link at all?