why would anyone want to be brought alive to live out there misery

[Darkover]

I have been struggling to answer this one question: why do people choose to live despite it all? When I look at everyone lives around me, I am just so stunned. For most people, life is nothing more than a cycle of working your ass of all day so that you can make enough money to feed yourself so that you can then wake up the next day to repeat the same thing. Again, and again, and again, until you die.

I just can't imagine others. Poor countries where people have to work even harder, or war-torn countries. Even countries like the United States, seem to be getting crushed under inflation. There is nowhere to run from my fate, no hope.

In the past, it was even worse. Slavery was a thing, slaves actually chose to live. Why? Why? Why did they choose to live? Why do the Chinese, who work the entire day, choose to live? Somebody, please tell me.

 

[アホペンギン]

Because they see no other feasible alternative.
Sometimes the only alternative is death, but individuals tend to show a strong inclination towards life since they're already here, which is likely deeply rooted into human psychology and biology, and external influence.

Maybe it's altruism towards family members, and leaving said family would make their (the relatives') situations much worse, impelling them to continue living despite the negative circumstances.

Maybe its the idea of death, incessantly plaguing them and filling them with so much fear that they learn to cope with their situation in fear of how horrid their only other alternative may be, and remaining alive, while it is equally as bad as death, assuages this visceral fear.

Maybe they even just found satisfaction and happiness within their situation, it's something that I'll never understand but nonetheless serves as a reason to live for them.

Maybe they're a victim of this manipulative society's influence, misleading them into naively believing that their situations are acceptable, while remaining unaware of the true extent of their suffering.

Or maybe they want to die but they can't, despite how much they want to!

 

[Forever Sleep]

Not to have a go at you or sound like I'm pushing you to CTB. But- ask yourself- Why are you still here? Why are any of us? And we actively want to leave! Most of us are afraid of death in some regard- the pain, the unknown, the likelihood of a suicide attempt even working.

People who won't allow themselves to even consider suicide- maybe because they have dependants, or strong religious/ social beliefs that they need to live quite often just seem to try and make the best of their situation because- not doing that means they end up like us effectively.

It's even harder to get by in life with work etc. when you're feeling like this. I think many people simply prevent it getting this bad. Put it this way- 1 in 3 people at my friend's workplace is on an antidepressant! I think a lot of people simply limp through life on various crutches- alcohol, drugs, fast food, entertainment, porn- whatever because they can't quite accept suicide as an option. Or, they actually do manage to find snippets of life that make it worthwhile I suppose.

 

[Darkover]

Why are you still here?

because of a repressive government that takes away our right to choose whether to live or die
I would leave right now if there wasn't a repressive government dictating what I could or couldn't do with my own life
I would build a bomb and blow myself into fragments

 

[Forever Sleep]

because of a repressive government that takes away our right to choose whether to live or die
I would leave right now if there wasn't a repressive government dictating what I could or couldn't do with my own life
I would build a bomb and blow myself into fragments

That's likely why a lot of other people are still here too. Except, they're repressed even further into believing they have to work and pay taxes.

Not to say you're 'lucky' because, you obviously deserve your benefits but, some people don't get that choice either. If they don't work and don't pay tax, they end up homeless or prosecuted. Not a great choice really. So- they can't kill themselves for the same reasons you can't. Plus, they kind of have to work or else suffer truly dire consequences.

But- can they work if they are that deeply depressed and nihilistic? Likely not- so- they have to limp through on antidepressants or self medicating on whatever they can find. In a kind of zombie haze. Can you imagine doing a 12 hour shift on your feet all day constantly thinking about suicide and the futility of existence and how you hate everything? It's exhausting, so- people numb out at work and then, they're naturally numb when they get home because they're so exhausted!

I doubt many of those 'normies' are so different to us. I know plenty of unhappy people! Even the happiest ones are struggling to some extent. We're all here because we're trapped. It's just some people have been fooled into believing it's a honey trap, so I guess they're making the best of it.

 

[sserafim]

I'm stunned as well. I can only chalk it up to Stockholm Syndrome and false hope. Also, maybe it's all they've ever known

 

[BardBarrie]

I'd imagine a contributing factor will be that the biological machines we're thrown into are hardwired to chase and avoid certain stimuli — most stimuli required for suicide will be of the latter type.

The fear of pain/trauma and failure are the only reasons why I'm procrastinating on CTB.

If people were given the option to press a magic button and die painlessly, I wonder how many people would take it.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I don't know. It baffles me too. Not to mention that some of the people who choose to keep on living are suffering way more than I am yet suicide never crosses their mind. It just doesn't make sense to me. I thought that everybody had a suffering threshold and that perpetually being above this aforementioned threshold would cause one to be suicidal.. yet this doesn't seem to be the case for everybody. It's truly astonishing and I don't know whether I think it's resilient or stupid or something else entirely.

I wish to know the answer for this as well but, at this point, I'm not even sure if there is an answer

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't think anyone chose this, we only exist because humans so selfishly decided to impose existence, to me procreation is such a terrible crime as it's the source of all human suffering, I despise how forcing others into a world filled with endless cruelty and torment isn't seen as a crime.

Under no circumstances would I ever want existence, to me it's abomination and consiousness is a curse, I personally see no value in being burdened with this futile and harmful existence for decades on end when the peace of non-existence solves everything.

 

[Unicr0n]

why do people choose to live despite it all

Because they gave themselves something to live for. If you can't see from both sides then you're just like them asking "Why would you ever want to kill yourself despite the billions of amazing things on this earth!"

In the country one half of me came from, my people are still slaves to this day. We live because we give ourselves purpose. That purpose might be just to see a kid off to college. To see my friend smile. To walk on the beach. To see that we made someone's life better. To pursue material objects. The lists go on. Slavery is not a life where we wish for death just because we're suffering in our current situation. We'd need much more than that to want to die. My people grew up in hell so they already developed coping mechanisms to deal with it that aren't hoping to die. At least, my people have that mindset. My people don't want to give up just because we're in a crappy situation. We know there's a better life out there and we hope one day we live long enough to see it. You can't do that if you kill yourself!

That saying "suicide is permanent solution to temporary problem" is true in that the problem is only considered temporary until your life ends, just as Herodotus's story with Solon and Creotus foretells. As slaves, there is always a chance we may be free in the future. To us, being a slave is temporary. Sometimes death to people is a slavery in itself. You can never do anything ever again. Which is worse than slavery on earth.

 

[Iamtired]

Because they gave themselves something to live for. If you can't see from both sides then you're just like them asking "Why would you ever want to kill yourself despite the billions of amazing things on this earth!"

In the country one half of me came from, my people are still slaves to this day. We live because we give ourselves purpose. That purpose might be just to see a kid off to college. To see my friend smile. To walk on the beach. To see that we made someone's life better. To pursue material objects. The lists go on. Slavery is not a life where we wish for death just because we're suffering in our current situation. We'd need much more than that to want to die. My people grew up in hell so they already developed coping mechanisms to deal with it that aren't hoping to die. At least, my people have that mindset. My people don't want to give up just because we're in a crappy situation. We know there's a better life out there and we hope one day we live long enough to see it. You can't do that if you kill yourself!

That saying "suicide is permanent solution to temporary problem" is true in that the problem is only considered temporary until your life ends, just as Herodotus's story with Solon and Creotus foretells. As slaves, there is always a chance we may be free in the future. To us, being a slave is temporary. Sometimes death to people is a slavery in itself. You can never do anything ever again. Which is worse than slavery on earth

I think you miss the point. it's important to define what suffering is here. If you're saying one race is better equipped for survival because of past Hardship conditions and bloodshed, well then, that could be true but probably can be said for most races who've survived to this day.

- everything is conditional in this universe. If you were dated raped drugged and left out on the streets and had acid poured on your skin and in your face blinding you and giving you a terminal illness- (for no fault of your own)left useless to society I bet you anything you'd want to kill yourself and not see how things turn out in the future.
But since your "people" are somehow able to band together maybe this makes this kind of treatment impossible for them? If so, congratulations to you guys but that's usually not how things truly operate here.

 

[Unicr0n]

If you're saying one race is better equipped for survival because of past Hardship conditions and bloodshed, well then, that could be true but probably can be said for most races who've survived to this day.

I didn't say race... The people of the countries that make up my parents' DNA are both black and white xD Eritrea and Belarus which still have slavery today. My bio dad was one-half Eritrean, my bio mom was one-half Belarus.

- everything is conditional in this universe. If you were dated raped drugged and left out on the streets and had acid poured on your skin and in your face blinding you and giving you a terminal illness- (for no fault of your own)left useless to society I bet you anything you'd want to kill yourself and not see how things turn out in the future.

I've been raped. I was a foster child and lived under the abusive hand of my foster mother for years [and had to come to terms that she began changing once she was diagnosed with dementia and had to forgive her in order to move on with my life which was harder than the trauma I've experienced]. I've been diagnosed with a terminal illness [brain cancer at five years old that thankfully they were able to remove despite it being extremely low chances]. Yeah, I want to kill myself, but it's not because of what happened to me due to OTHER PEOPLE. I want to kill myself because of my own actions. I've come to terms that we cannot control the actions of other people. Rarely do rape victims or acid burn victims want to kill themselves because of what happened to them so I think that is in poor taste on your end, even considering all of those factors combined. It's insulting, tbh. My people have gone through worse and they do not wish for death.

But since your "people" are somehow able to band together maybe this makes this kind of treatment impossible for them? If so, congratulations to you guys but that's usually not how things truly operate here.

You have not experienced it, so you could not understand. I've visited my parents' countries and lived with them, as them. I've killed a man-eating leopard as part of my initiation into adulthood at thirteen. I have seen the slavery, I have talked to them. No matter what happens to them, the only thing that would make them kill themselves is that they're old and can no longer hunt for their people [so they are given a weapon and sent into the wild for one last hunt... which is where they die from an animal... a sort of suicide that they know will happen] or if they're mentally ill. My people have too much to live for to want to die.

 

[Iamtired]

I didn't say race... The people of the countries that make up my parents' DNA are both black and white xD Eritrea and Belarus which still have slavery today. My bio dad was one-half Eritrean, my bio mom was one-half Belarus.


I've been raped. I was a foster child and lived under the abusive hand of my foster mother for years [and had to come to terms that she began changing once she was diagnosed with dementia and had to forgive her in order to move on with my life which was harder than the trauma I've experienced]. I've been diagnosed with a terminal illness [brain cancer at five years old that thankfully they were able to remove despite it being extremely low chances]. Yeah, I want to kill myself, but it's not because of what happened to me due to OTHER PEOPLE. I want to kill myself because of my own actions. I've come to terms that we cannot control the actions of other people. Rarely do rape victims or acid burn victims want to kill themselves because of what happened to them so I think that is in poor taste on your end, even considering all of those factors combined. It's insulting, tbh. My people have gone through worse and they do not wish for death.

Really? I mean I've blamed myself for being date raped but ultimately I know it wasn't my fault. Why do people have to punish themselves into suicide? I've been cut open by a criminal surgeon leaving me with long lasting pain- a terrible procedure- so yes I do want to kill myself for the actions of others. I'd say it's more rare that people want to kill themselves for either party involved- but for the sheer pain and discomfort which is now their reality. A decreased quality of life due to OTHER people hurting me.

 

[Unicr0n]

Really? I mean I've blamed myself for being date raped but ultimately I know it wasn't my fault. Why do people have to punish themselves into suicide? I've been cut open by a criminal surgeon leaving me with long lasting pain- a terrible procedure- so yes I do want to kill myself for the actions of others. I'd say it's more rare that people want to kill themselves for either party involved- but for the sheer pain and discomfort which is now their reality. A decreased quality of life due to OTHER people hurting me.

That sucks to hear that but you do not represent the majority. :( Most people do not want to kill themselves solely because of what other people have done to them.

 

[Iamtired]

I didn't say race... The people of the countries that make up my parents' DNA are both black and white xD Eritrea and Belarus which still have slavery today. My bio dad was one-half Eritrean, my bio mom was one-half Belarus.


I've been raped. I was a foster child and lived under the abusive hand of my foster mother for years [and had to come to terms that she began changing once she was diagnosed with dementia and had to forgive her in order to move on with my life which was harder than the trauma I've experienced]. I've been diagnosed with a terminal illness [brain cancer at five years old that thankfully they were able to remove despite it being extremely low chances]. Yeah, I want to kill myself, but it's not because of what happened to me due to OTHER PEOPLE. I want to kill myself because of my own actions. I've come to terms that we cannot control the actions of other people. Rarely do rape victims or acid burn victims want to kill themselves because of what happened to them so I think that is in poor taste on your end, even considering all of those factors combined. It's insulting, tbh. My people have gone through worse and they do not wish for death.


You have not experienced it, so you could not understand. I've visited my parents' countries and lived with them, as them. I've killed a man-eating leopard as part of my initiation into adulthood at thirteen. I have seen the slavery, I have talked to them. No matter what happens to them, the only thing that would make them kill themselves is that they're old and can no longer hunt for their people [so they are given a weapon and sent into the wild for one last hunt... which is where they die from an animal... a sort of suicide that they know will happen] or if they're mentally ill. My people have too much to live for to want to die.

No, I haven't and I shouldn't have been presumptive. That sounds intense. I understand it is a large cultural difference. I didn't mean to offend you I was just thinking of the worst possible scenario in which someone is forced to live out their lives. Raped- sick- acid poured all over their face. Incredible pain. I suppose though if someone was born into some kind of tribe then maybe there would be more survival instinct instilled into them I was just posing the question of how much of a rarity that is because of how atomized humans are today. It's just inconceivable to me who's been conditioned into this weird modern day reality, unable to really do the things I love because of daily pain and trauma. It's unbelievable all the things we have to go through here.

That sucks to hear that but you do not represent the majority. :( Most people do not want to kill themselves solely because of what other people have done to them.

Ok but are there stats on that? I don't know. It's not solely because of others. But a combination of bad circumstances and daily pain. As I mentioned before. I don't think I'm actually in a minority here.

 

[Unicr0n]

Ok but are there stats on that? I don't know. It's not solely because of others. But a combination of bad circumstances and daily pain. As I mentioned before. I don't think I'm actually in a minority here.

You're not a minority on this site. About suicide. There is an overrepresentation here.

2022 = 333,300,000 people in America
132 Americans die by suicide each day. 132*365= 48,180 per year. 48180/333300000*100 = 0.014% of people kill themselves per year in America.

Number of violent crime victims in America 2022= 8,159,530. 8159530/333300000*100 = 2.45%

0.014% suicide versus 2.45% violent crime rate. That's a difference of
The number of violent crime victims is significantly higher by a factor of 175. Much less people commit suicide despite having experienced violent crime than do.

If you factor in suicide attempts (1,700,000)+48180= 1748180. 1748180/333300000*100=0.52%. The number of violent crime victims is higher by a factor of 4.71. It's important to note that there's no distinguishing in attempted suicide from people committing self harm but not actually wanting to die. So that number is artificially inflated.

So, you are a minority of people who want to kill themselves due to the trauma.

 

[xinino]

because of a repressive government that takes away our right to choose whether to live or die
I would leave right now if there wasn't a repressive government dictating what I could or couldn't do with my own life
I would build a bomb and blow myself into fragments

How do your government prevent you from suicide? I mean you don't need a law to die

I have been struggling to answer this one question: why do people choose to live despite it all? When I look at everyone lives around me, I am just so stunned. For most people, life is nothing more than a cycle of working your ass of all day so that you can make enough money to feed yourself so that you can then wake up the next day to repeat the same thing. Again, and again, and again, until you die.

I just can't imagine others. Poor countries where people have to work even harder, or war-torn countries. Even countries like the United States, seem to be getting crushed under inflation. There is nowhere to run from my fate, no hope.

In the past, it was even worse. Slavery was a thing, slaves actually chose to live. Why? Why? Why did they choose to live? Why do the Chinese, who work the entire day, choose to live? Somebody, please tell me.

struggle is not inherently the issue but struggle without meaning is the problem, most people are ready to suffer because they are content and have meaning within outcome.

 

[Darkover]

How do your government prevent you from suicide? I mean you don't need a law to die

because you can be arrested for trying to build a bomb it's outlawed just like everything else i need to die peacefully is outlawed

 

[xinino]

because you can be arrested for trying to build a bomb it's outlawed just like everything else i need to die peacefully is outlawed

That is called over-socialization "you got programmed to follow the law" . If you really found meaning in death you are ready to confront suffering to commit suicide.

 

[Darkover]

If you really found meaning in death you are ready to confront suffering to commit suicide.

there's no meaning in death just complete nothingness, as for confronting the survival instinct or overcoming the fear of the dying process for instance hanging myself is just not an acceptable way to go for me i wouldn't want to suffocate to death

 

[UKscotty]

I think normal people think very differently to us.

They see hope and joy where we see negative and suffering.

A lot of people see life as a worthwhile challenge, if it was too easy it would be dull and boring.

 

[Darkover]

I think normal people think very differently to us.

yeah they're delusional believing in the afterlife or god

 

[Iamtired]

You're not a minority on this site. About suicide. There is an overrepresentation here.

2022 = 333,300,000 people in America
132 Americans die by suicide each day. 132*365= 48,180 per year. 48180/333300000*100 = 0.014% of people kill themselves per year in America.

Number of violent crime victims in America 2022= 8,159,530. 8159530/333300000*100 = 2.45%

0.014% suicide versus 2.45% violent crime rate. That's a difference of
The number of violent crime victims is significantly higher by a factor of 175. Much less people commit suicide despite having experienced violent crime than do.

If you factor in suicide attempts (1,700,000)+48180= 1748180. 1748180/333300000*100=0.52%. The number of violent crime victims is higher by a factor of 4.71. It's important to note that there's no distinguishing in attempted suicide from people committing self harm but not actually wanting to die. So that number is artificially inflated.

So, you are a minority of people who want to kill themselves due to the trauma.

Well it's not just violent crime. It's violent crime. Pain and dysmorphia.(I think stats on that is mich much higher for victims of body dysmorphia and suicide) But thank you for these stats. Interesting.

 

[xinino]

there's no meaning in death just complete nothingness, as for confronting the survival instinct or overcoming the fear of the dying process for instance hanging myself is just not an acceptable way to go for me i wouldn't want to suffocate to death

As if life has meaning, for me, death is going back to the original state of chaos; all life and all its emotions are alienations in a tapestry of entropy.
Ironically, even in our suicide, we are docile to life, life that avoids suffering.

 

[Iamtired]

I think normal people think very differently to us.

They see hope and joy where we see negative and suffering.

A lot of people see life as a worthwhile challenge, if it was too easy it would be dull and boring.

I agree with this. Many people try to keep a good attitude even amidst the struggle. But there's got to be shifting perspectives within one person on any given day or month or year. like how time is elusive and unreal. I do like what the second person said on the OP's thread. They gave a pretty good outline for some of the reasons others might live- and I think I've been all of those people at one point in my life or another. And I believe many of those things can be true all at once. Nothing is black and white.

That is called over-socialization "you got programmed to follow the law" . If you really found meaning in death you are ready to confront suffering to commit suicide.

I think it's funny he's talking about building a bomb to blow himself up and you have a ted kaczynski pfp sorry for my adhd