Why there is a lot of ppl in doubt of SN?

[Qverty7455]

I guess people do SN mostly because it's legal and easily accessible. When I came there I wanted to do F or N but when I think about the risk of prison if caught I might go the SN route aswell :( i am so f***** angry because I really wanted F to be my way but I have 0 experience and I heard this thing is watched as hell nowadays so maybe not worth the risk...sad

 

[Stan]

That's why it is critical that you never give any personal details out, either in public forum or private messaging unless you really know them well and they are not trying to sell you something

 

[Sunset Limited]

It's a somewhat unknown substance. I, myself, would be much more confident if I had, let's say, potassium cyanide.

Dude, be sure, cyanide is a painful death.

 

[Can'tStandAnymore]

I will give you the truth. The people whom have doubt on SN have actually never been wanted to die, really. There is a tiny difference between wanting to die and feeling suicidal.


If you are really planning to leave this world, I can say I'm pretty sure that SN is a painless method.

 

[Sunset Limited]

In fact, if we do simple logic, SN = hypoxia. I don't think we know much about cases of methemoglobinemia. Actually, we're talking about a very slow-growing hypoxia. I have read the treatment of methemoglobinemia in several places. They circumcise little children in my country. The local anesthetic used in circumcision rarely causes methemoglobinemia. Families usually notice methemoglobinemia at the level of 20% - 50% methemoglobin. So methemoglobinemia doesn't cause any pain. Therefore, they are discharged six hours after circumcision.

FunkyGibbon tried this method twice. If he's decided to try it a second time, I think there's nothing to be afraid of. Meto and acid regulator did not use either. The capsules seem to be worth thinking about.

@Funkygibbon rest in peace my friend. Thanks again for sharing your last moments.

 

[shango]

I will give you the truth. The people whom have doubt on SN have actually never been wanted to die, really. There is a tiny difference between wanting to die and feeling suicidal.


If you are really planning to leave this world, I can say I'm pretty sure that SN is a painless method.

Straight up facts. Although, I'm not really afraid of pain, I'm more afraid if I fail

 

[Qverty7455]

Straight up facts. Although, I'm not really afraid of pain, I'm more afraid if I fail

same...but still if there is a way to reduce the pain i'll take it.

 

[shango]

same...but still if there is a way to reduce the pain i'll take it.

I mean, if you're a relatively able person, the most that will probably hurt is a headache. I'd wouldn't mind having a headache for 10-20 minutes if it meant that I can finally ctb. Pain doesn't seem to be a problem with most of the people who took SN on this forum either.

 

[Qverty7455]

I mean, if you're a relatively able person, the most that will probably hurt is a headache. I'd wouldn't mind having a headache for 10-20 minutes if it meant that I can finally ctb. Pain doesn't seem to be a problem with most of the people who took SN on this forum either.

yes I don't count headache and other stuff people mentioned as pain tho...just a discomfort...but living a miserable life is pain...

 

[Sunset Limited]

same...but still if there is a way to reduce the pain i'll take it.

I will take apranax forte before 2 hours. Really strong painkiller for headache.

 

[Qverty7455]

I will take apranax forte before 2 hours. Really strong painkiller for headache.

can't it mess with the SN ?

 

[Stan]

The headache you might get is not a normal headache. This one will come because of low blood pressure. Not that painful, just a discomfort from what people have said

 

[Sunset Limited]

can't it mess with the SN ?

I can't answer that, but I don't take risks. Apranax effective for a long time. More than 12 hours.

 

[TowerUpright]

Not sure the headache would come from low blood pressure. Hypoxia would cause the heart to hear faster, likely raising your blood pressure.

Don't know for sure, though. Maybe due to the unused oxygen??

 

[Stan]

Not sure the headache would come from low blood pressure. Hypoxia would cause the heart to hear faster, likely raising your blood pressure.

tachycardia can cause low blood pressure, commonly caused through atrial fibrillation.

Low blood pressure is not a common cause for headaches, normally causes dizziness and fainting, but you may get a dull headache at the back of your head

 

[TowerUpright]

tachycardia can cause low blood pressure, commonly caused through atrial fibrillation.

Low blood pressure is not a common cause for headaches, normally causes dizziness and fainting, but you may get a dull headache at the back of your head

Good to know.

 

[falconeyes]

It's a somewhat unknown substance. I, myself, would be much more confident if I had, let's say, potassium cyanide.

Cyanides are truly much powerful than SN, but they required too much precautions to adjust the stomach acidity, otherwise death wont be peaceful at all.

 

[Heart of Ice]

Dude, be sure, cyanide is a painful death.

Reports are all over the place. Some say that it's violent and quick, some say it's peaceful and quick. Honestly, I wouldn't really care about pain if it is quick, and cyanide is quick. If one is so concerned about pain, he probably doesn't really want to die.

 

[LayZ]

Cyanides are truly much powerful than SN, but they required too much precautions to adjust the stomach acidity, otherwise death wont be peaceful at all.

Do you have any instructions?

 

[RightToExit]

If one is so concerned about pain, he probably doesn't really want to die.

I don't agree, and I think this is a bad meme. It's often used by people to rationalize the prohibition on N or voluntary euthanasia using N.

Rationally speaking, if there are ways you can avoid being tortured, why would you want to be tortured (unless you are a masochist)? And if another person doesn't want to be tortured, and humanity has invented ways to prevent them from being tortured, why torture them?

You are of course right that a short time of pain is better than decades that contain even more pain in total. But those decades also contain pleasure, and less painful alternatives do exist.

I'd take cyanide over nothing, but I'd probably take SN over cyanide (and N over SN, if it were equally allowed).

 

[Heart of Ice]

I don't agree, and I think this is a bad meme. It's often used by people to rationalize the prohibition on N or voluntary euthanasia using N.

Rationally speaking, if there are ways you can avoid being tortured, why would you want to be tortured (unless you are a masochist)? And if another person doesn't want to be tortured, and humanity has invented ways to prevent them from being tortured, why torture them?

You are of course right that a short time of pain is better than decades that contain even more pain in total. But those decades also contain pleasure, and less painful alternatives do exist.

I'd take cyanide over nothing, but I'd probably take SN over cyanide (and N over SN, if it were equally allowed).

Certainly. Everything you say is correct. If there are painless ways to die, you should probably go after them.

I just think that a willingness to face some pain is an important milestone of self-reflection, since only then you can be sure that your willingness to die goes over your need for comfort; in other words you absolutely shouldn't have to face pain but you should be ready for it. I'm honestly a bit annoyed how often the question "Will this method be painful" comes up around here. It makes me question how serious the one asking is about ending his/her life.

Sorry if my arguments don't seem to make sense or I seem non-elegant. I'm not really good at arguing in a language that isn't native to me.

If I had a choice between cyanide and SN...I don't know, it's a tough one. Cyanide would be the reliable choice. You take that, and there's no going back. A few minutes of pain for a near-guaranteed death doesn't sound so bad. SN seems finicky to me. I guess someone could enjoy that unconsciousness is not nearly instant: one could spend this time listening to Frank Sinatra or watching the sun set.

 

[RightToExit]

Certainly. Everything you say is correct. If there are painless ways to die, you should probably go after them.

I just think that a willingness to face some pain is an important milestone of self-reflection, since only then you can be sure that your willingness to die goes over your need for comfort; in other words you absolutely shouldn't have to face pain but you should be ready for it. I'm honestly a bit annoyed how often the question "Will this method be painful" comes up around here. It makes me question how serious the one asking is about ending his/her life.

Sorry if my arguments don't seem to make sense or I seem non-elegant. I'm not really good at arguing in a language that isn't native to me.

If I had a choice between cyanide and SN...I don't know, it's a tough one. Cyanide would be the reliable choice. You take that, and there's no going back. A few minutes of pain for a near-guaranteed death doesn't sound so bad. SN seems finicky to me. I guess someone could enjoy that unconsciousness is not nearly instant: one could spend this time listening to Frank Sinatra or watching the sun set.

I agree with you that reliability matters a lot; I would also see cyanide as a method to be considered for this reason (I have no idea where to get it though, and I already have SN).

I do think the question "Will this be painful" is a legitimate and rational question when choosing a method though. If I wanted a shitty death, I can always cause a high-velocity car crash and die in a literal fire.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Reports are all over the place. Some say that it's violent and quick, some say it's peaceful and quick. Honestly, I wouldn't really care about pain if it is quick, and cyanide is quick. If one is so concerned about pain, he probably doesn't really want to die.

A man drank cyanide in the courtroom. If you saw how he died, you'd be terrified. It wasn't fast and it was horrible. It's not my choice when there are more peaceful ways. If you search for cyanide in the forum, you may find that it is not recommended and is not popular. I have access to potassium cyanide and sodium cyanide. I prefer a bullet to my head. Why not choose SN?

 

[LayZ]

A man drank cyanide in the courtroom. If you saw how he died, you'd be terrified. It wasn't fast and it was horrible. It's not my choice when there are more peaceful ways.

Are you talking about Slobodan Praljak?
It was posted here a few months ago.
Cant see anything cruel.
Have you seen it in real live? Or do you have a video which actually shows how cruel his death was???

If you search for cyanide in the forum, you may find that it is not recommended and is not popular.

because everyone here is an expert ...

 

[Sunset Limited]

Are you talking about Slobodan Praljak?
It was posted here a few months ago.
Cant see anything cruel.
Have you seen it in real live? Or do you have a video which actually shows how cruel his death was???





because everyone here is an expert ...

This is not the video I'm talking about. He was a businessman I was talking about. I watched it years ago. The video quality was poor. The man began to shout holding his chest in the courtroom. He took the cyanide from the man sitting right behind him and drank it. Because it is certain that he will be sentenced.

I'm just warning that it might be painful. I don't know what I can do if you don't like it. I just wish I could send you messages you like. I'm sorry I can't say cyanide is really painless. You are free to go the way you want.

"because everyone here is an expert" It's not a nice sentence for people trying to help each other here.

 

[Heart of Ice]

This is not the video I'm talking about. He was a businessman I was talking about. I watched it years ago. The video quality was poor. The man began to shout holding his chest in the courtroom. He took the cyanide from the man sitting right behind him and drank it. Because it is certain that he will be sentenced.

I'm just warning that it might be painful. I don't know what I can do if you don't like it. I just wish I could send you messages you like. I'm sorry I can't say cyanide is really painless. You are free to go the way you want.

"because everyone here is an expert" It's not a nice sentence for people trying to help each other here.

I never said cyanide is painless. I said it was reliable and that the accounts vary.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I never said cyanide is painless. I said it was reliable and that the accounts vary.

I just wanted to warn you, man. For not wanting you to suffer when you die. Because it's possible. I agree it's reliable.

 

[Heart of Ice]

I just wanted to warn you, man. For not wanting you to suffer when you die. Because it's possible. I agree it's reliable.

I'm not taking cyanide. I don't have it. If I had cyanide, I wouldn't be posting here.

 

[GreyMonkey]

I will give you the truth. The people whom have doubt on SN have actually never been wanted to die, really. There is a tiny difference between wanting to die and feeling suicidal.


If you are really planning to leave this world, I can say I'm pretty sure that SN is a painless method.

This is a very powerful post.

If one is truly determined, then what matter some discomfort... apart from old age or terminal illness.

If one wants to ctb because of mental health and/or unbearable life circumstances then either it is so extremely unbearable that one will take any option... Or it's sort of just indulging ideation.

I know for my part I'm a chronic ideator. Will I ever get so desperate to truly go through with it? I dunno. I'm pretty fucking distressed constantly. Yet the fantasising and the enacting are still quite a distance apart and so I come on here to see "is there some new method? Is there an easy way, painless and completely reliable?" And there isn't.

All methods have uncertainty built into them. The human body is a resilient thing and wants to live.

Gotta be pretty damn determined to get through that, knowing that by the very nature it will be uncertain.

How hellish does life have to become to get to that point?

 

[RightToExit]

This is a very powerful post.

If one is truly determined, then what matter some discomfort... apart from old age or terminal illness.

If one wants to ctb because of mental health and/or unbearable life circumstances then either it is so extremely unbearable that one will take any option... Or it's sort of just indulging ideation.

I know for my part I'm a chronic ideator. Will I ever get so desperate to truly go through with it? I dunno. I'm pretty fucking distressed constantly. Yet the fantasising and the enacting are still quite a distance apart and so I come on here to see "is there some new method? Is there an easy way, painless and completely reliable?" And there isn't.

All methods have uncertainty built into them. The human body is a resilient thing and wants to live.

Gotta be pretty damn determined to get through that, knowing that by the very nature it will be uncertain.

How hellish does life have to become to get to that point?

It's okay to have suicidal ideation and not kill yourself. But I think you can't conclude that all people who don't succeed in killing themselves value life positively. SI is a strong force and when you anticipate pain, even more so.