Why SN? Not drug that induce unconscious?

[Efilismislife]

Why people choose SN over other drug that can do less painfully? SN causing Methemoglobinemia=cells dying from not carrying oxygen. With symptoms such as heart arrhythmia, head ache, breathlessness, nausea, etc.

Isnt drug that prioritize targeting your consciousness first should be the first choice? Since that would reduce/make the processes less painful

Basically how general anesthesia work. It force you into a comma. Then youre being cut open without you knowing. (Of course they still give analgesic too)

It shut you down from the brain first so it targets the core. (The brain is what makes you still alive&conscious, people die when the brain died but not when other organ died) so without brain/nervous system/consciousness you feel nothing.

What i dont understand is why not choose drug that first target central nervous system&shut down the brain instead of SN?

 

[Swampy]

SN isn't the best method. N is a more peaceful drug that targets the consciousness first. People choose SN because it's really easy to get in some countries like the US. N and other more peaceful drugs are hard or expensive as hell to get. I personally prefer SN because avoiding a few minutes of mild discomfort are not worth the effort of obtaining N.

 

[WornOutLife]

SN isn't the best method. N is a more peaceful drug that targets the consciousness first. People choose SN because it's really easy to get in some countries like the US. N and other more peaceful drugs are hard or expensive as hell to get. I personally prefer SN because avoiding a few minutes of mild discomfort are not worth the effort of obtaining N.

I totally agree with you!

 

[SweetDreams500]

Because there are no readily available drugs that will do that. None, zilch.
Also, SN will make you go unconscious after some time.

 

[Whale_bones]

What is this supposed "drug" that shuts down your consciousness that any somewhat-regular person would be able to acquire? It is one of the quickest realizations for those of us who do any planning or research for our death that such a drug does not exist in a form that the general public can access. Not to mention that many of us are dealing with severe mental and/or physical illnesses that make daily tasks difficult, so we aren't functioning at the level of the average person.

But even for people who have resources like money and transportation, they quickly find that the standard suicide scene in all those movies where the character takes a handful of pills and just nicely falls unconscious is complete make-believe. OD'ing on pills is one of the least reliable suicide methods by far, and the reality is painful, frightening, disturbing and leaves most people alive in an even worse condition than they were before.

There is no magic drug that induces unconsciousness that is actually reasonably available, or yes, most everyone would be using that. People choose SN because it likely has the least amount of suffering while still being a reliable method and something that they can actually acquire.

 

[greyhound]

Yeah that's why N is definitely the drug of choice.

SN is sort of the cheap and dirty solution that everyone is using because it's so easy to get. But I think using opiates would be preferable to SN because you just lose consciousness and then drift away. with SN it's going to be an anxiety filled 30 minutes of puking and feeling poisoned with heart rate climbing.

It's crazy to me that basically pets get this Nembutal death that is denied humans. We make people suffer until the bitter end and try to prevent anyone from accessing N with drug laws and customs checks.

 

[the_final_countdown]

Yeah that's why N is definitely the drug of choice.

SN is sort of the cheap and dirty solution that everyone is using because it's so easy to get. But I think using opiates would be preferable to SN because you just lose consciousness and then drift away. with SN it's going to be an anxiety filled 30 minutes of puking and feeling poisoned with heart rate climbing.

It's crazy to me that basically pets get this Nembutal death that is denied humans. We make people suffer until the bitter end and try to prevent anyone from accessing N with drug laws and customs checks.

Have you ever heard of the story of Solon? It's about not judging a man happy or unhappy until they die because you never know what'll happen to them.

It helps against bitterness. Our lives may be tragic but they won't be the only ones.

 

[Rayzieka]

I think this is why some people use their sleeping medication and or benzos an hour before taking the SN.
I imagine if you're at the peak feeling of passing out right before you take the SN you're likely to guarantee passing out before the vomiting starts.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Because CNS depressants are not sold on the market.

 

[Wrennie]

Seconal, a literal "peaceful pill", isn't being manufactured anymore because the rights to it now belong to a pro-life company (Bausch Health)

 

[the_final_countdown]

You'll find anything that can readily and easily kill humans is heavily regulated.

For good reason.

But it does make suicide a bit more challenging for those whose lives have turned into a nightmare.

 

[Efilismislife]

Because there are no readily available drugs that will do that. None, zilch.
Also, SN will make you go unconscious after some time.

I think this is why some people use their sleeping medication and or benzos an hour before taking the SN.
I imagine if you're at the peak feeling of passing out right before you take the SN you're likely to guarantee passing out before the vomiting starts.

I see thats understandable.

I forgot to add, I know its hard to obtain N, what i meant was taking other antidepressant drugs/phenobarbital in lethal dose to decrease consciousness then combining with other method or drugs to finish the job.

The point is that decreasing consciousness then cutting o2(depress the breath / gas, etc)or blood supply(night2 method, etc) stop the heart(propranolol/ sodium blocker/ potassium, etc) alcohol, opioid also can enhance the depressing effect.
To prioritize targeting the brain first, once its done its all finished

Thats also the method that i read from the doctor who help with assisted suicide. But i know setting it all up alone is more challenging :(

 

[checkouttime]

SN is cheap and was readily available and not illegal (think its bit harder now in some countries). You will be unconscious probably within 12mins and with some discomfort but if you are not found it is a highly reliable method.

N is easily available, but it costs alot more.probably a big factor in some cases.

 

[Whole-Ad]

I looked into getting N but found that it was super expensive and honestly wasn't willing to spend that much to die because I wanted to have as much money left as I could to pass to my family.

Lots of people prefer different methods. You could ask why choose hanging instead of N or SN? Or why shoot your self? It all comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer to be left in a somewhat presentable state, rather than head blown to pieces from a shotgun, some people don't care how they will look after dead.

I often think about the process of dying through SN and there's one thing that comes up every time. I don't want to knowingly die alone. SN can take up to 20 minutes to cause unconsciousness, where as other methods can be fairly instant.

 

[SofieSofie]

It all comes down having to work with what you have.
I managed to obtain SN but actually I prefer N.
The vomiting when using SN is a concern to me but that's also possible with N I guess?
As N tastes awful it must be hard to take it in.
One way or another, it won't be a tea party
And is the difference worth all the money and the trouble?
That's the question for me.

 

[checkouttime]

It all comes down having to work with what you have.
I managed to obtain SN but actually I prefer N.
The vomiting when using SN is a concern to me but that's also possible with N I guess?
As N tastes awful it must be hard to take it in.
One way or another, it won't be a tea party
And is the difference worth all the money and the trouble?
That's the question for me.

That depends on each person N is the holy grail for most and seen as the most peaceful. I haven't tasted N but don't think its as bad as what people say like another member posted you see little old ladies popping it back in videos with not much fuss!!!). I mean i imagine its not great but, not really as bad as made out. i read an article about hoot get used to what N may be like. it said chewing paracetamol could be used. now they dont taste nice, but i wouldn't say it the worst thing ever!!! i think you can be sick of N but thats more likely if you have certain conditions. with SN its pretty much a guarantee as its salt.

I bought SN because i knew it would become harder to obtain and it has and was unsure i could get N. I now have N and so will be using that instead.

 

[SofieSofie]

That depends on each person N is the holy grail for most and seen as the most peaceful. I haven't tasted N but don't think its as bad as what people say like another member posted you see little old ladies popping it back in videos with not much fuss!!!). I mean i imagine its not great but, not really as bad as made out. i read an article about hoot get used to what N may be like. it said chewing paracetamol could be used. now they dont taste nice, but i wouldn't say it the worst thing ever!!! i think you can be sick of N but thats more likely if you have certain conditions. with SN its pretty much a guarantee as its salt.

I bought SN because i knew it would become harder to obtain and it has and was unsure i could get N. I now have N and so will be using that instead.

Thanks, it all makes sense. I agree with you.
It's a relief to have the SN but I'm still considering getting N, although it seems quite a hassle.
Not to mention the costs...!

 

[checkouttime]

Thanks, it all makes sense. I agree with you.
It's a relief to have the SN but I'm still considering getting N, although it seems quite a hassle.
Not to mention the costs...!

Costly yes, hassle...not at all. I ordered and it was really simple and got it really quick. if you mean by hassle the bitcoin part, i payed with money gram instead so its simple!!

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Costly yes, hassle...not at all. I ordered and it was really simple and got it really quick. if you mean by hassle the bitcoin part, i payed with money gram instead so its simple!!

Seeing how many members are in possession of N and still alive makes me question if there is such a thing as an easy method. The draw of N was supposed to be an easy method that is painfree. But looks like no method will curb SI.

Still it must be a relief knowing you have an escape in a bottle if and when shit really hits the fan.

 

[checkouttime]

Seeing how many members are in possession of N and still alive makes me question if there is such a thing as an easy method. The draw of N was supposed to be an easy method that is painfree. But looks like no method will curb SI.

Still it must be a relief knowing you have an escape in a bottle if and when shit really hits the fan.

I've only just got mine recently(last couple of weeks), and been waiting for my anti e, i plan on going within a week!!! i don't want to balls it up as i won't be able to afford more N,so waited for anti e and i need to not drink alcohol for a short while before i take it, in case it has a bad effect. when i bought SN it was always as a back up ,if i couldn't get the N and its took me a while to get it.

but yeah SI is a factor for many of course. but i'm sure its alot easier to just tip a drink back than some other methods.

 

[greyhound]

I've only just got mine recently(last couple of weeks), and been waiting for my anti e, i plan on going within a week!!! i don't want to balls it up as i won't be able to afford more N,so waited for anti e and i need to not drink alcohol for a short while before i take it, in case it has a bad effect. when i bought SN it was always as a back up ,if i couldn't get the N and its took me a while to get it.

but yeah SI is a factor for many of course. but i'm sure its alot easier to just tip a drink back than some other methods.

So you're going to take an anti - emetic with N?

 

[checkouttime]

yes I am going to use dramamine. need to look up the dosage yet though!

 

[SofieSofie]

Mmm, I'm no expert but I don't think that's a good idea.
I think dramamine is meant more for motion sickness, to prevent dizziness and the nausea that comes from that dizziness.
At first I had the same idea, seemed easy as it's over the counter available but I've read somewhere (I think PPEH forum or book) that not the best option.
Maybe you'd better do some more research on that.
Don't shoot the messenger please!
You're right, sorry for my interference!
I did a search in the handbook and indeed it is in the table over there.
A test dose is advised as side effects are possible, i.e. blurry vision and/or confusion.

 

[checkouttime]

Mmm, I'm no expert but I don't think that's a good idea.
I think dramamine is meant more for motion sickness, to prevent dizziness and the nausea that comes from that dizziness.
At first I had the same idea, seemed easy as it's over the counter available but I've read somewhere (I think PPEH forum or book) that not the best option.
Maybe you'd better do some more research on that.
Don't shoot the messenger please!

In the March PPH 2021 it lists it as a choice, if you cant acquire other anti e

if you going to give out advice, please make sure it is correct information and that it wont mislead others. As you can see i have done my research, i have posted proof below

 

[SofieSofie]

Yes, you're right about that.
And that's why I started doing some more research right after my post.
I also added a picture of the table in the handbook.
So I apologized and corrected it, and then it all got tangled up in one message, which I didn't intend to, sorry!
Was just trying to be helpful

 

[checkouttime]

Yes, you're right about that.
And that's why I started doing some more research right after my post.
I also added a picture of the table in the handbook.
So I apologized and corrected it, and then it all got tangled up in one message, which I didn't intend to, sorry!
Was just trying to be helpful

Its fine, I have done plenty of research on N and SN!!
think they advise to test most things though first as the different drugs effect people differently, but i imagine that an over the counter medicine, not having half as much a chance of side effects than a prescription. obviously there may be a downside to that of it not being as good as an anti e.

I tasted 0.5ml in 50ml of water before after i tested the N, it didn't even taste of anything really ,but obviously that was diluted. but still the way people talk of the taste i expected it to taste bad in someway. If anything it says to me you would be able to dilute N and it wouldn't taste of anything, but i'm not going to try and it would be alot to drink!!

 

[SofieSofie]

Diluted N would be indeed too much to take in.
But as you've done intensive research you'll know some tricks to get it down.

I'm still struggling on the metoclopramide.
Ordered it online, and it was sent out from India, so no scam, but it was intercepted and seized by customs.
Now I'm going to try to persuade the weekend GP to prescribe it "as I'm suffering from terrible nausea" due to my migraine.
(I use migraine pills every now and then, so hopefully this trick will work )

 

[Catlovergirl]

I think this is why some people use their sleeping medication and or benzos an hour before taking the SN.
I imagine if you're at the peak feeling of passing out right before you take the SN you're likely to guarantee passing out before the vomiting starts.

exactly, coz I can get 100 pills of 1mg alprazolam by a pharmacy where I stay doesn't seem to tbe bothered about giving out way more than 30 per month hence Ion an empty stomach take all plus as soon as I'll feel the that effects as I know it will kick very quickly then take the SN. I hate and mean absolutely hate the heart rate climbing sensation and for me to get betablockers by a random doctor I doubt I'll be very sucessfull. I have olanzepine already as I'm prescribed that so that's fine and it's super easy for me to order SN online where I stay but it's that heart rate increasing thing people that will immediately make me panic.... Sorry for incorrect grammar as I'm borderline and when I'm going nuts my grammar goes.

 

[checkouttime]

Diluted N would be indeed too much to take in.
But as you've done intensive research you'll know some tricks to get it down.

I'm still struggling on the metoclopramide.
Ordered it online, and it was sent out from India, so no scam, but it was intercepted and seized by customs.
Now I'm going to try to persuade the weekend GP to prescribe it "as I'm suffering from terrible nausea" due to my migraine.
(I use migraine pills every now and then, so hopefully this trick will work )

My trick is pinch the nose an knock it back lol its not that much h to drink even doing 2 bottles 2-3 gulps i reckon. I did read somewhere about using a straw but not sure on that!!

how come it was seized? its legal there isn't it and i thought there was a loophole.I early ordered from an online chemist there is IH and ADC and i have ordered from ADC before, just it takes a month and not planning on being here!

I couldn't be bothered with the GP down to being on medication already and some i have stopped and didn't want the hassle!! i filled out one of them online things and it started asking too much crap so just got dramamine instead. honestly i don't think it will be a massive issue. Its nothing like SN and using it with SN is pointless to me.

 

[Efilismislife]

In the March PPH 2021 it lists it as a choice, if you cant acquire other anti e

if you going to give out advice, please make sure it is correct information and that it wont mislead others. As you can see i have done my research, i have posted proof below

In the March PPH 2021 it lists it as a choice, if you cant acquire other anti e

if you going to give out advice, please make sure it is correct information and that it wont mislead others. As you can see i have done my research, i have posted proof below

Thats odd. Different type of antiemetic has different ingredient and different purposes. Cause nausea&vomitting can be caused by different factors. And different drug target different receptor.


Dramamine is antihistamine and its for nausea caused by motion sickness, even in their website it stated so.
For nausea cause by N, one needs to use antiemetic for cytotoxic&anesthesic


Nevertheless i dont know if N alone gonna cause that much nausea or not.
But considering its in lethal dose its better to be prepared

Dramamine® Original Formula

Dramamine® Original Formula is the #1 Pharmacist-Recommended Brand for motion sickness

www.dramamine.com

Theres an explanation here

Antiemetic drugs: what to prescribe and when

Most cases of nausea and vomiting do not require antiemetic drugs, but when they are needed, what are the choices?

www.nps.org.au

Which medicines work best to prevent people from being sick (vomiting) after an operation?

www.cochrane.org

exactly, coz I can get 100 pills of 1mg alprazolam by a pharmacy where I stay doesn't seem to tbe bothered about giving out way more than 30 per month hence Ion an empty stomach take all plus as soon as I'll feel the that effects as I know it will kick very quickly then take the SN. I hate and mean absolutely hate the heart rate climbing sensation and for me to get betablockers by a random doctor I doubt I'll be very sucessfull. I have olanzepine already as I'm prescribed that so that's fine and it's super easy for me to order SN online where I stay but it's that heart rate increasing thing people that will immediately make me panic.... Sorry for incorrect grammar as I'm borderline and when I'm going nuts my grammar goes.

Yes, heart rate increase correlated with increase of adrenaline rush too thus cause panic.