Method Why not just use an IV for SN or other Nitrites?

[Lulzacruel]

SN and others like it with the same mechanism (Potassium Nitrate, Sodium Citrate, etc) all have a lower LD50 when injecting.

There is no risk of vomiting with IV.

The effects are instantaneous and there is no chance for the SI to take over and rush to a hospital for the antidote.

The same exact IV method has been used for every single other drug used for CTB.


Why does nobody use IV or anything else that bypasses the portal vein and the filters of the liver that come with oral digestion instead?

Why doesn't the PPeH mention this as a potential method, and only mentions the oral method?

 

[emptybox]

That was my first thought when I found out that SN can be used for ctb.
I thought the main problem is that not everyone have access to medical equipment and it requires skills to use it properly - much more complicated than mixing SN with water and drinking it. It's just unreasonably difficult and requires more than an average person can do without having to put too much effort.

But apparently there's more, and I want to know about it too.
I read opinions that if it's concentrated and administrated too fast it damages veins, and it's painful(just like potassium); if it's less concentrated or/and administered slowly(and apparently that's the only way to make it work?), it won't be overwhelming enough to shut the body down fast enough; or something like this but I could misunderstand.
There's not enough data, and with how complicated this method is, it's just not worth it for most people. Usually people don't want to experiment with it, understandably.

I'm not considering it as my method because of this reason - too complicated and unpredictable. But I want to know more just out of interest.

 

[busybee]

DailyMed - SODIUM NITRITE injection, solution

dailymed.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Praestat_Mori]

There is no risk of vomiting with IV.

I can never IV myself not in any way and that's why even propofol or similiar would be out of reaach for me this way unless a 3rd party is doing it for me.

 

[emptybox]

DailyMed - SODIUM NITRITE injection, solution

dailymed.nlm.nih.gov

Apparently they use a (3%?) solution as an antidote for a cyanide poisoning, but as I understand there's no way this dilute solution can work in a way we need


We could make our own more concentrated solution but there's too many questions that no one can answer. This method wouldn't be available for most people anyway, or desirable(unless it was possible with one injection but it's not. And for a lot of people it's still easier to take something orally than to do shots)

 

[John Ryder]

Why don't we just IV or intravenously inject SN?

I know that at Pegasos that's what they do for Pentobarbital or Nembutal. It goes through an IV. And they say it works and you get knocked or lose consciousness in 5seconds. So why don't we do the same with Sn? It seems like it would work alot faster. And you'd just lose consciousness. I know...

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I suspect there is something about the makeup of SN itself which makes it unviable for injection at high concentrations. Sodium in general is apparently notorious for collapsing veins for instance and is even used for that purpose medically (sclerotherapy). -Some substances (e.g. potassium) also cause a lot of discomfort via injection, so it could be a scenario like that with SN where it could make for a hellacious experience even if it technically works.