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gregisss

gregisss

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Jan 7, 2025
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Hi,
I have tried two times to CTB thanks to exit bag and argon.
My exit bag seems to be fine, well sealed: i inhale argon during like more than 1 minute , but nothing happen. Just a headache.

Whats wrong ?
Thxxx
 
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wham311

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Mar 1, 2025
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Is it all sealed perfectly?
 
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gregisss

gregisss

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Jan 7, 2025
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Is it all sealed perfectly?
The bag is not too tight on my neck: I have set a little gap between the bag and my neck (1 finger large) because the CO2 i exhale need to go outside the bag,i guess its the right thing to do.
 
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TitianCashew26

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May 8, 2025
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@gregisss What did you set the flow rate to?
 
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TitianCashew26

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May 8, 2025
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@gregisss Did you scrunch the bag, before turning on the gas, to get rid of all the oxygen? And also breathe out before placing the bag on over your face?
 
Alreadylate

Alreadylate

Student
Jun 8, 2025
162
Hi,
I have tried two times to CTB thanks to exit bag and argon.
My exit bag seems to be fine, well sealed: i inhale argon during like more than 1 minute , but nothing happen. Just a headache.

Whats wrong ?
Thxxx
are you using an argon regulator? you need to be more than one minute inhaling argon... it takes 15 minutes - 25 minutes the book says
 
gregisss

gregisss

Member
Jan 7, 2025
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are you using an argon regulator? you need to be more than one minute inhaling argon... it takes 15 minutes - 25 minutes the book says
Yes ,argon regulator.

Dr Philip Nitschke from PPeH say "you faint straight away after one breath" on this vidéo :
 
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Alreadylate

Alreadylate

Student
Jun 8, 2025
162
Yes ,argon regulator.

Dr Philip Nitschke from PPeH say "you faint straight away after one breath" on this vidéo :

I'm receiving today an argon cylinder... I hope it works for me. I wonder what went wrong when you did it.. we can chat if you like
 
NegevChina

NegevChina

I've done the best I could
Sep 5, 2024
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The bag is not too tight on my neck: I have set a little gap between the bag and my neck (1 finger large) because the CO2 i exhale need to go outside the bag,i guess its the right thing to do.
The CO2 is supposed to be flushed by the flow of argon. There should not be a permanent gap, the bag should be with no gap around the neck, but it needs to not be tight in a way that chokes you. You should be able to insert a few fingers between the bag and the neck, but that should require some force.
It seems some air got in to the bag.
 
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EternalSkies

EternalSkies

Student
Mar 19, 2024
152
I've read several who didn't succeed with Argon. It is said because Argon flows downwards because of weight or something. So it is easier for argon to exit the bag rather than stay in it from what I understand. So it seems risky doing this
 
Alreadylate

Alreadylate

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Jun 8, 2025
162
I've read several who didn't succeed with Argon. It is said because Argon flows downwards because of weight or something. So it is easier for argon to exit the bag rather than stay in it from what I understand. So it seems risky doing this
where have you read about that?
 
EternalSkies

EternalSkies

Student
Mar 19, 2024
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Im pretty sure I found it both on this website search function and suicide case reports on google for cases with Argon.
 
gregisss

gregisss

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Jan 7, 2025
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I've read several who didn't succeed with Argon. It is said because Argon flows downwards because of weight or something. So it is easier for argon to exit the bag rather than stay in it from what I understand. So it seems risky doing this
Helium is the lightest
Then nitrogen
Argon is the inert gaz whose weight is the higher, almost as high as CO2, which can be a problem.
 
Alreadylate

Alreadylate

Student
Jun 8, 2025
162
it looks like getting a regulator with flow in L is difficult when you get helium or nitrogen..
 
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thot88

Student
Apr 11, 2023
148
I remember reading that the argon flow rate should be 25
 
TheBroken

TheBroken

What Really Matters Anymore?
Feb 13, 2022
250
Why I chose to go with nitrogen and a well-sealed scuba regulator/mask setup.
 
Alreadylate

Alreadylate

Student
Jun 8, 2025
162
Hi,
I have tried two times to CTB thanks to exit bag and argon.
My exit bag seems to be fine, well sealed: i inhale argon during like more than 1 minute , but nothing happen. Just a headache.

Whats wrong ?
Thxxx
you do it laying down or sitting on a chair? They say it is better sitting on a chair but I dunno how to do it, because you also can fall.. I read about someone who feel from the chair.
 
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OutOfTime

Member
Mar 3, 2021
24
Why I chose to go with nitrogen and a well-sealed scuba regulator/mask setup.
Can you please explain how you connected the scuba mask to the tank with an adapter? I'm very confused about the adapter needed...
 
Obliviate

Obliviate

Abandon All Hope
Aug 13, 2022
1,011
Hey, I had the same exact issue when I tried my setup. Argon is apparently the hardest
 
TheBroken

TheBroken

What Really Matters Anymore?
Feb 13, 2022
250
Can you please explain how you connected the scuba mask to the tank with an adapter? I'm very confused about the adapter needed...
What country are you in
 
TheBroken

TheBroken

What Really Matters Anymore?
Feb 13, 2022
250
Canada. Thanks for answering.
The two fittings to buy are therefore simple. The first fitting you buy is a CGA-580 to 1/4 NPT (sometimes listed as MNTP with the M meaning male). The second fitting is a 1/4 NPTF (F=female) to DIN.

Here are two examples of these fittings although they can be purchased from many different online suppliers.



Don't worry if the fittings are stainless or brass as it doesn't matter.

Use heavy-duty thread tape or Loctite made for high pressure applications on the 1/4 NPT male-to-female connection but NOTHING on the DIN end or the nitrogen tank CGA-580 end.

A SCUBA first stage DIN regulator will screw right into the open DIN end and just needs firm hand tightening.
 
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OutOfTime

Member
Mar 3, 2021
24
The two fittings to buy are therefore simple. The first fitting you buy is a CGA-580 to 1/4 NPT (sometimes listed as MNTP with the M meaning male). The second fitting is a 1/4 NPTF (F=female) to DIN.

Here are two examples of these fittings although they can be purchased from many different online suppliers.



Don't worry if the fittings are stainless or brass as it doesn't matter.

Use heavy-duty thread tape or Loctite made for high pressure applications on the 1/4 NPT male-to-female connection but NOTHING on the DIN end or the nitrogen tank CGA-580 end.

A SCUBA first stage DIN regulator will screw right into the open DIN end and just needs firm hand tightening.
Thank you for your help. It means very much to me. This may be a silly question, but will this work with helium?
 

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