why is the gender difference in suicide rates so great?

[Dawns]

iirc men make up for 75% of completed suicides whereas the other fourth is females. what's with the difference

 

[Not.Flugel]

Women on average chose less effective methods than men. Also in Europe, men are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than women.
Many researchers have attempted to find explanations for why gender is such a significant indicator for suicide. A common explanation relies on the social constructions of hegemonic masculinity and femininity. According to literature on gender and suicide, male suicide rates are explained in terms of traditional gender roles. Male gender roles tend to emphasize greater levels of strength, independence, risk-taking behaviour, economic status, and individualism Reinforcement of this gender role often prevents males from seeking help for suicidal feelings and depression.

Various other factors have been put forward as the cause of the gender paradox. Part of the gap may be explained by heightened levels of stress that result from traditional gender roles. For example, the death of a spouse and divorce are risk factors for suicide in both genders, but the effect is somewhat mitigated for females. In the Western world, females are more likely to maintain social and familial connections that they can turn to for support after losing their spouse. Another factor closely tied to gender roles is male employment status. Males' vulnerability may be heightened during times of unemployment because of societal expectations that they should provide for themselves and their families.

Also Poland has a ration of 6,7:1

 

[uniqueusername39]

i think it is because men tend to keep problems to themselves while women tend to reach out. it is tragic that society taught them to shut up or else be ridiculed for being...idk...woman-like? for needing help.

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

I would say that if 3/4 of suicides are committed by men then it shows that society neglects mens mental health needs, a fact which is well known.

Think of it.....it's not much fun being a man

You get beaten by a lady you get called a wuss, but if you beat a lady she's a victim of domestic violence (no equality)
You're expected to be the bread winner of the family ( a lot of responsibility if someone is already struggling with their mental health)
You live in a society where you are told that it's not manly to discuss how you feel, and if you show your feelings then you're not a real man
In child custody cases, the mother 9/10 times usually gets custody of the child whether she is fit or not and that means a lot of men get denied contact with their own children
When men are homeless, women get priority over them for accommodation

In short the world isn't fair or equal and that's why we see a huge gender gap in suicide rates. We live in a shit and unequal society where men are expected to just get on with things with a lack of support.

My birth dad committed suicide, I don't know him I was just a baby.

 

[SexyIncél]

There's a bunch of factors. May still be an open research question, I don't know

 

[stermc]

Probably because men usually have a hard time looking for help and they choose more "violent" methods. Women tend to look for help and choose methods that have a higher probability of failure.

 

[OceanBlue]

The causes haven't been researched enough. Major depression is twice as common in women, and they attempt twice as much.

A cross-national study on gender differences in suicide intent - Europe

 

[Challu]

Women are treasured, esteemed for beauty, give birth, expected to be weak, likely to raise children... Generally, their instinctual drive to thrive on Earth is stronger.

Men are perceived exactly opposite and are goal driven, not built to thrive alone.

Simple as that.

 

[NorthernMonkey]

Women are much less impulsive, so will talk themselves out of it more often. I wish we didn't.

 

[niawscm]

Guns are a big part of this. Men are more likely to have and use them, and guns are at the top of the list in terms of probability of success.
The list of methods, that is.

 

[Twiceler]

I don't believe it's about emotions and depression. Men generally die more often. This is how natural selection works, and suicide is the part of it.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Because being a male fucking sucks.

Women do have their problems that make being their gender extremely difficult, but still, being a male fucking blows.

(Yes, I am biased)

 

[BlueBaby]

I don't believe it's about emotions and depression. Men generally die more often. This is how natural selection works, and suicide is the part of it.

I think that's a little bit shortsighted to say. Natural selection doesn't just randomly choose people to remove, its way more complex than that. Also, have you ever heard anything about someone being genuinely happy and committing suicide? If not (which I'm guessing), How can you say it's not about emotions and/or depression?

 

[SexyIncél]

Random thought: maybe it's because suicide is highly gendered. That is, "gender" is an institution with social roles that cause a fuckton of suicide

After all, sasu was started by 2 incels; now adminned by a transgendered person

So people with different social roles have very different reasons to quit the game, and they quit differently. I hope I'm not just stating the obvious in an overly abstract way

 

[Valky]

Women on average chose less effective methods than men. Also in Europe, men are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than women.
Many researchers have attempted to find explanations for why gender is such a significant indicator for suicide. A common explanation relies on the social constructions of hegemonic masculinity and femininity. According to literature on gender and suicide, male suicide rates are explained in terms of traditional gender roles. Male gender roles tend to emphasize greater levels of strength, independence, risk-taking behaviour, economic status, and individualism Reinforcement of this gender role often prevents males from seeking help for suicidal feelings and depression.

Various other factors have been put forward as the cause of the gender paradox. Part of the gap may be explained by heightened levels of stress that result from traditional gender roles. For example, the death of a spouse and divorce are risk factors for suicide in both genders, but the effect is somewhat mitigated for females. In the Western world, females are more likely to maintain social and familial connections that they can turn to for support after losing their spouse. Another factor closely tied to gender roles is male employment status. Males' vulnerability may be heightened during times of unemployment because of societal expectations that they should provide for themselves and their families.

Also Poland has a ration of 6,7:1

Considering that the question really arises if more suicides could be prevented if people would only reach out. But yet, advising someone to exhaust all methods before deciding to ctb is looked down upon here :/

 

[SexyIncél]

But yet, advising someone to exhaust all methods before deciding to ctb is looked down upon here :/

There's nuances. If you'd like to make a thread analyzing the effectiveness/tradeoffs of different interventions, I'd join! But I can't join today, I'm swamped and shouldn't even be posting this, hehe

 

[Valky]

There's nuances. If you'd like to make a thread analyzing the effectiveness/tradeoffs of different interventions, I'd join! But I can't join today, I'm swamped and shouldn't even be posting this, hehe

Appreciate the support hahaha, but same T.T

It's a big topic and I wouldn't even know where to start. Besides that is more like an individual trouble so how would I even start analysing…..I am getting tired just by writing this, Zzzz

 

[SexyIncél]

Cool, let's maybe chat on this later if you feel like. I'll stfu now, sorry everyone for offtopic chatter

 

[soolka]

atleast in my country women attempt suicide more, but men succeed in it more. partly because they decide different suicide methods

 

[blacksand]

men are far more likely to be completely alone, isolated and with a predisposition toward violent means of problem solving. I can't imagine many women in my situation right now of living alone with no friends outside work and a shotgun as company.

 

[suicidalcatlady]

More impulsive in violence/violence is more tolerated or encouraged as boys grow up (other than the fucked societal standard of men not being able to show feelings). It's why men both kill themselves and others at such a high rate

 

[honkpilleddoomer]

iirc men make up for 75% of completed suicides whereas the other fourth is females. what's with the difference

The life of a man is full of suffering, we're born into this world where no one cares for us, no one wants us, we have inherently negative value so we must fend and contribute value to the society in order to find respect and basic human dignity, unlike women men have no halo effect. The day a man stops being a productive member of society he is essentially dead for the society. We're forced to do this things against our will, forced conscription, drafts, forced labourer. Men make most of the homeless population, they take up most of the dangerous, filthy and labour extensive body crushing jobs such as sewage cleaning, mining. We make up most of the workplace deaths, Unlike women who are considered women from the very start, men have to prove their value to be seen as men, that's why we find toxic masculine proverbs such as be a man to be so common. We're discouraged from expressing our true feelings and told to suppress them under the guise of "maning up". Men also face far more troubles dating and finding a partner. All of this culminates into a misandrist culture where men are treated as subhumans.

 

[Vizzy]

The life of a man is full of suffering, we're born into this world where no one cares for us, no one wants us, we have inherently negative value so we must fend and contribute value to the society in order to find respect and basic human dignity, unlike women men have no halo effect. View attachment 111491 The day a man stops being a productive member of society he is essentially dead for the society. We're forced to do this things against our will, forced conscription, drafts, forced labourer. Men make most of the homeless population, they take up most of the dangerous, filthy and labour extensive body crushing jobs such as sewage cleaning, mining. We make up most of the workplace deaths, Unlike women who are considered women from the very start, men have to prove their value to be seen as men, that's why we find toxic masculine proverbs such as be a man to be so common. We're discouraged from expressing our true feelings and told to suppress them under the guise of "maning up". Men also face far more troubles dating and finding a partner. All of this culminates into a misandrist culture where men are treated as subhumans.

Exactly!

The causes haven't been researched enough. Major depression is twice as common in women, and they attempt twice as much.

A cross-national study on gender differences in suicide intent - Europe

Study you linked is only for Europe which is eliminating most of the world and most countries with high suicide rate like South Korea, Japan , India , China and so on

There are so many research about why men commit suicide more than woman and many news channel have listed it often what are the reasons

Woman attempt suicide twice as much as men but mostly men are successful in their first attempt which doesn't mean woman die more, more men commit suicide than woman in Europe, suicide ratio is 4:1 which is crazy, 4 men die by suicide for every 1 woman death by suicide , this ratio shows something sinister going on with this world!

 

[Not.Flugel]

Considering that the question really arises if more suicides could be prevented if people would only reach out. But yet, advising someone to exhaust all methods before deciding to ctb is looked down upon here :/

Most definitely, a problem. I have noticed that essentially all of my friends are mentally fucked, so I can't really burden them. My closeted friend, whom, I have confined in had an enormous mental breakdown, because she couldn't handle it mentally because of her own problems. My other friends are either as emotional available as a brick wall or have their own problems.
But yeah, I agree.

 

[dwindlingfirst]

iirc men make up for 75% of completed suicides whereas the other fourth is females. what's with the difference

Well, sometimes it comes down to people who don't want to die and just want people to know how depressed they are, which are called suicidal gestures. Most men who attempt are sure they want to die and use a method that works effectively. Again. This isn't everyone at all, but some people just want attention

 

[Vizzy]

More impulsive in violence/violence is more tolerated or encouraged as boys grow up (other than the fucked societal standard of men not being able to show feelings). It's why men both kill themselves and others at such a high rate

"Violence is more tolerated or encouraged as boys grow up" from where you got this statement, I was a boy many years before whenever I was violent my parents will whoop my ass and it is applicable to my friends too, so I don't know how you concluded this statement ?

 

[blacksand]

The life of a man is full of suffering, we're born into this world where no one cares for us, no one wants us, we have inherently negative value so we must fend and contribute value to the society in order to find respect and basic human dignity, unlike women men have no halo effect. View attachment 111491 The day a man stops being a productive member of society he is essentially dead for the society. We're forced to do this things against our will, forced conscription, drafts, forced labourer. Men make most of the homeless population, they take up most of the dangerous, filthy and labour extensive body crushing jobs such as sewage cleaning, mining. We make up most of the workplace deaths, Unlike women who are considered women from the very start, men have to prove their value to be seen as men, that's why we find toxic masculine proverbs such as be a man to be so common. We're discouraged from expressing our true feelings and told to suppress them under the guise of "maning up". Men also face far more troubles dating and finding a partner. All of this culminates into a misandrist culture where men are treated as subhumans.

its funny how people will look at any other animal species and conclude that the lowest ranking individuals are always male. But accepting this fact in regard to humans is considered taboo.

 

[Twiceler]

I think that's a little bit shortsighted to say. Natural selection doesn't just randomly choose people to remove, its way more complex than that. Also, have you ever heard anything about someone being genuinely happy and committing suicide? If not (which I'm guessing), How can you say it's not about emotions and/or depression?

I mean it's not like men commit suicide more often because they're not allowed to express their emotions. And it still is complex, I didn't say it's simple. Natural selection choose the weakest/unworthy/unwanted people to remove. With some inaccuracy, ofcourse.

 

[BlueBaby]

I mean it's not like men commit suicide more often because they're not allowed to express their emotions. And it still is complex, I didn't say it's simple. Natural selection choose the weakest/unworthy/unwanted people to remove. With some inaccuracy, ofcourse.

I kinda see what you mean, and I guess in a sense you're right. But natural selection and emotions can be very intertwined. So like what you said, natural selection gets rid of certain people. But it indirectly does that by making the (in this case) mentally least fit feel fk terrible/depressed. I think that's a nice middle way.

 

[suicidalcatlady]

"Violence is more tolerated or encouraged as boys grow up" from where you got this statement, I was a boy many years before whenever I was violent my parents will whoop my ass and it is applicable to my friends too, so I don't know how you concluded this statement ?

In the US growing up we were told "boys will be boys" when boys in elementary would be destructive or violent to others tbh but each culture is different

Exactly!

Study you linked is only for Europe which is eliminating most of the world and most countries with high suicide rate like South Korea, Japan , India , China and so on

There are so many research about why men commit suicide more than woman and many news channel have listed it often what are the reasons

Woman attempt suicide twice as much as men but mostly men are successful in their first attempt which doesn't mean woman die more, more men commit suicide than woman in Europe, suicide ratio is 4:1 which is crazy, 4 men die by suicide for every 1 woman death by suicide , this ratio shows something sinister going on with this world!

At least y'all have rights in every country lol. Something sinister Is happening to humanity in general, it isn't just a male problem