Why is suicide viewed as irrational?

[Siamese Believe]

I do think there's a difference between a solely impulsive suicide and a planned suicide. But nonetheless, craving non-existence should not be viewed as irrational in itself. What is irrational about simply not existing anymore? Why does that make someone "ill"?.

I see it more as a product of being apart of a highly intelligent species, a species able to comprehend its own existence, and the existence of everything around it. A human doesn't just survive. They think, they see, they understand. Which means that you can consider an option that would be better than your life can ever provide you.

Furthermore, many people like me have took the time to genuinely evaluate their lives, and came to the conclusion that the objectively best outcome would be death opposed to what lies long term if life is continued. There are no better outcomes, no other desirable paths that I would be capable of going down.

What IS irrational is the belief that life gets better for everyone. Then they love to bring up the fact that over 90% of suicidal people are able to "recover". Okay well what if I'm in that 10%. Some people truly are doomed, it's a hard thing for many to accept.

People are willfully blind to the dark corners of the world because they see awareness as the same as pessimism and negativity. You can be completely aware of when you have a losing hand while still finding subtle joys in life, you can be aware without straying too far into pessimism, and also not straying too far into toxic positivity. But most people are stuck in toxic positivity.

 

[starryend]

It is pretty frustrating when the thoughts themselves are dismissed as some irrational thought that can be corrected with medication and therapy. I think that often people want to think that there was always a better way to help them cope with the loss of their loved ones.

 

[Xi-Xi]

I think suicide is perceived as irrational, mainly because it isn't really a natural human instinct to self-destruct, so most other people see it as a malfunction, of sorts, or as you put it, irrational to want that for yourself. I am in no way saying this line of thought is correct, but it's a major social factor in our perception.

 

[itsgone2]

Okay well what if I'm in that 10%. Some people truly are doomed, it's a hard thing for many to accept.

This whole post was really great. Just highlighting this line. I do feel doomed.
We should have the option. Can you imagine just making an appointment to be put down?

 

[TheMadmanJL]

Because then if you do ctb there is some rich prick losing one of their valuable wage slaves! The health industry doesn't want us to ctb because then they're not collecting off of our misery! Money is the main reason

 

[fadedghost]

I do think there's a difference between a solely impulsive suicide and a planned suicide. But nonetheless, craving non-existence should not be viewed as irrational in itself. What is irrational about simply not existing anymore? Why does that make someone "ill"?.

I see it more as a product of being apart of a highly intelligent species, a species able to comprehend its own existence, and the existence of everything around it. A human doesn't just survive. They think, they see, they understand. Which means that you can consider an option that would be better than your life can ever provide you.

Furthermore, many people like me have took the time to genuinely evaluate their lives, and came to the conclusion that the objectively best outcome would be death opposed to what lies long term if life is continued. There are no better outcomes, no other desirable paths that I would be capable of going down.

What IS irrational is the belief that life gets better for everyone. Then they love to bring up the fact that over 90% of suicidal people are able to "recover". Okay well what if I'm in that 10%. Some people truly are doomed, it's a hard thing for many to accept.

People are willfully blind to the dark corners of the world because they see awareness as the same as pessimism and negativity. You can be completely aware of when you have a losing hand while still finding subtle joys in life, you can be aware without straying too far into pessimism, and also not straying too far into toxic positivity. But most people are stuck in toxic positivity.

Part of it is religion... people have usually needed religion because the world is so cruel, so people tell each other that the myths they make up are true, and everyone sort of collectively agree to believe them... because the alternative is to hard to fathom... and in these myths there is always this notion of life being intentional and not some sort of accidental creation resulting from organic chemistry and increases in entropy in the universe.

We are also at a strange time in human history. If humankind doesn't destroy themselves, our technological abilities are drastically exponentially increasing. Many forms of sadness are reactions to medical issues: having a medical issue, looking different due to medical issues, or just extreme depression that can't be solved by medical issues. It's really questionable if all those problems won't be solved in another 20 years. Like Ozempic exists right now, which means rich people who were very overweight now aren't. Once that patent expires, no one will be overweight anymore. That medical issue will be done.

So from the perspective of religious myths, suicide is bad, but also from the perspective of accelerationists or technologists, suicide is bad because any medical issue causing suicidal desires may be solvable in 20 years. And from the perspective of neofeudalists suicide is bad because the elite class needs an underclass that still believes in religious myths.

I still think people should always have a choice, but even among rational people who view science as the answer, there is a concern that someone objectively evaluating the pain/pleasure ratio in their life may not be aware of scientific advancement and how fast it's exponentially changing,

I myself deal with the issue of having major medical issues that make we want to die, and looking different, and I just don't know if it's worth waiting for something that is uncertain. If I live 30 years more, some of medical issues will possibly be alleviated... But that's a long wait, and I'm not sure if aging will be fully reversed by then. There is a lot of scientific study on aging and reversing aging. It ends of being a big gamble of accepting a lot of pain for the hope of scientific advancement that may not happen, but it's also more likely to happen than not if climate change doesn't make the planet uninhabitable.

But I don't know the answer on whether it's worth the wait to try to cure medical issues. But that's part of why society is so anti-suicide. The scientific block and the religious block sort of unite on the answer to this... but they aren't the ones feeling miserable while hoping things get better, they aren't the one making the calculation.

 

[boyafraid]

I like your post, and how well you said what I've been thinking lol. What I hate the most is the "it gets better" attitude because sure, for some people it will but for others things simply won't just get better. For some folks it might get a whole lot worse, before it gets close to better, and not everyone wants wait that long(rightfully so). Also, sometimes we truly don't know someone's situation so saying things like "it will get better" feels superficial, even if it comes from a good place.

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand as for me existence itself is the true problem and for me ceasing to exist would be the positive solution to find peace from this torturous, cruel existence I just always saw as a mistake.

For me non-existence is just all that's desirable and is all I could ever hope and wish for no matter what, all I want is to never suffer again, I'll just always prefer the peace of non-existence where I cannot suffer at all over being burdened with this existence of unnecessary suffering where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured that just leads to decay and death anyway, ceasing to exist would solve everything for me.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

What IS irrational is the belief that life gets better for everyone. Then they love to bring up the fact that over 90% of suicidal people are able to "recover". Okay well what if I'm in that 10%. Some people truly are doomed, it's a hard thing for many to accept.

humans are just dumb.

see how animal deaths are treated as opposed to human deaths.

in human cancer, the human fought the cancer bravely, for months upon months and in the end they both took eachother out, the human didn't die alone, it also took out the cancer. What a touching and heartwarming story, I'm just about to cry.

in animal cancer, the animal died from cancer, just another statistic, no story where the animal fights the cancer, nothing. Human centrism much?

Humans are also just statistics and nothing will change that, no story where we always win in the end, no imagination or happy thoughts will ever change that.
That's real life, that's the truth of it and it wouldn't matter if everyone just STOPPED procreating, we'd actually win! But no, these disgusting humans want their cake and to eat it too. Performative egomaniac species.

 

[Blueberry Panic]

Wanting pain to stop, wanting the pressure to shut off, wanting the noise in your own head to quiet down… that's literally a human reaction to being overwhelmed. It's not some moral failure, it's our survival system burning out.

Planned or impulsive, both kinds of suicidal thoughts come from the same place: being pushed way past your limit. And yeah, pretending life always "gets better" for everyone is just people hiding from reality because it's easier than actually sitting with someone's pain.

People cope because they don't want to face the truth.

It's not irrational to want out , when youve been boxed in and stuck fir a long time it's not definitely not irrational especially if you've covered all the alternatives and this is your last option ... not everyone is built the same and some people can take much more from the world then others but we all have our breaking points.

People can only take so much pain before they do something.