Discussion Why is @FuneralCry so hated here?

[Dusk till dawn]

FC is probably the most hated member of this forum, but why? i occasionally see people being unnecessarily rude to her, hate comments can be summed up as the following :

"create your own forum"
"same repetive posts"
"if you are desperate to die then why don't you kill yourself?" (this is hinting she has ulterior motives for staying this long)

I don't understand why there's a lot of hate towards @FuneralCry

I assume that's probably that's probably due to her posts being often repetitive and regarding the same topics but worded differently, but is that really a good justification to hate on FC? It obviously isn't

Many people here also allege FC to be pro-death, although she clarified many times she's not pro-death and believes everyone has the right to decide whether to suicide or live, when she replies to goodbye threads her posts are usually "I wish you good luck" but worded differently, she never tried influencing anyone to take his own life, she barely talks in threads seeking information about suicide, i don't understand where's the "FC is pro-death" allegations is coming from, it's just baseless allegations, why are we hating on each other? we are just outcasts from society suffocating from loneliness and depression, it's very disappointing to see people who are supposed to be like you and understand your suffering to hate on each other just because they disagree in their idealogy and views on life and reasons to want to die, the purpose of this website was to be a safe place for suicidal people to vent, ask for information regarding suicide methods, find people with the same mindset without toxic positivity, not to hate on each other over disagreements on our idealogies and reasons for wanting to die

 

[final_countdown12]

If my new calculations are correct, @ijustwishtodie will come here pretty soon defending FC. Lol

Jk, i lov you @ijustwishtodie

 

[Despondent_Fondant]

I have zero opinion on FC as I dont really read their posts. But I am like 90% sure they are referenced in the tantacruel video as being someone with some potential ulterior motive being on this site. I dont believe they are and I am sure they are lovely, but that might be a reason for the hate they receive?

 

[goodoldnoname923]

I always thought FC was more polarising than exclusively hated. Like marmite love em or hate them sorta deal. I don't feel strongly either way somedays i feel empathetic towards them other days i feel somewhat annoyed myself so i can definitely see both sides of the argument

Some find their posts inspiring and relatable while others find it cringey and repetitive. So I wouldn't say their universally hated as they probably have just as many fans as haters aleast in my experience on the forum but perhaps I'm wrong

 

[rozeske]

Because it's hard for people to mind their own business. Besides, i wouldn't call her the most hated member on the forum, maybe controversial at most. She has certain philosophies and perspectives regarding life and existence in general, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions anyways, why would one hate on that?

 

[anhedonya]

I wouldn't say hated. I think she's a decent person going through difficult things and have left many nice comments advising her on how to phrase herself so that people won't get so mad. But when you say that self harm is "disgusting" and seeing posts like that grosses you out and that you feel you're the only person who truly longs for death- well, it's inevitable people are gonna get mad. It's mean commentary.

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

Probably because they haven't killed themselves but keep venting but how awful everything is? Like, why are they here? I don't know, I don't mind what they do. Honestly if people are that upset why don't they just ignore the user?

 

[lostinwoe]

I don't hate her and I don't understand why people do or even why they leave comments since there's a ignore button

but from what I can see its probably cause she leaves so many posts about how she longs for death yet has basically given up on killing herself due to fear of suffering
if that is the reason they hate her then they are horrible people cause that's a horrible situation to be in, they are stuck in a loop of wanting to die yet being stuck alive

 

[Forever Sleep]

I also don't think it's fair for people to hate on her- or anyone for that matter here. It's largely a safe place to express opinions we can't express anywhere else. Plus, we're adults- or- should be. We ought to be able to keep disagreements civil.

I don't have anything against her personally athough, some of her ideas tend to trigger me. As I'm sure mine do to her and other people. We're not all going to like one another and agree with one another. But, I think that's where we should all be utilising the 'ignore' button- unless people are breaking the rules- obviously.

But as to why: I think she has every right to express her ideas but they do sit in the most pro-mortalist extreme. Any post that suggests it's just fine for minors and anyone to kill themselves (in fact- it's their best option) is going to be a gift for people who hate this forum and thinks it's enticing children to kill themselves.

I think, quoted randomly- it can give the (false) impression that we all support these ideas and are indeed some sort of death cult. Of course- that's on the people who do all the (false) reporting. I think, if they bothered to do more research, they'd find that pro-mortalists are in the minority here. Most people I would say are firmly pro-choice, even leaning more pro-life. Plus, I agree with you. FC isn't pushing people to CTB although, it's kind of obvious she would think it was everyone's best option.

I suppose her posts do tend to paint a target on us and I suppose selfishly, I'd hate it if the haters of this place got their way and got it shut down. Whether they could using her posts though, I'm not sure. I think more problematic would be the detailed sharing of methods and sources openly. But yeah- that's one reason- that she's kind of the poster child for haters of this forum. Again- not fair because she isn't at all representative of, I would say the majority of users.

Plus- shouldn't we care about our freedom of speech? She isn't forcing her ideas on everyone. She's just venting. She should be allowed to- just the same as everyone else.

I suppose as well, she wants the forum to be a certain way and criticizes it when it isn't. Seeing as the forum is made up of people all with their own needs, really none of us can dictate what tone it should have all the time. I suspect there are always going to be these clashes between members who would prefer the forum to be more pro-death or more pro-life.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

People hate her because she's different and, overall, she's an easier target to deal with. Yes, perhaps people here are more compassionate than the average population but, in the end, our minds are still primitively wired the same way as everybody else's minds are and it's wired to pick on people who are different from us even if they don't pose any threat. FC is different from us and doesn't pose any threat. Not to mention at how she doesn't fight back either which makes it easy for people to pick on her and get away with it. I used to thought that ignoring people would make them stop bullying me when I was younger and suffering through bullying but I soon learnt that ignoring them actually makes them bully even more.

I will admit that there are some people who do criticise her without bullying her which is good but sadly she does get bullied as well and then people complain as to why she's the most protected user ever. Maybe she's the most protected user here because she gets bullied for being herself?

Her behaviour can be explained by her neurotype and people say that they support people with autism. That is of course until they meet somebody with autism who isn't as easy to deal with

 

[final_countdown12]

Reasons why people DONT like FC:

• she simplifies complex issues, she has a funnel tunnel vision so she is unable to deep think complex problems / balance alternatives and make more reasonble arguments/ analysis:
• she indirectly/directly atack SaSu comunities and also offends segments of users such as people who struggle with SH and mothers/fathers (the so called "evil procriators)
• She has a extremely ridiculous high number of posts +34k so its extremely suspicious. Could be some freaky sadist with a malicious agenda, who knows? Frek saddist act in many forms and we are unable to prove her real intentions here in the internet. Mabye she has pleasure on people dying/suferring due to this high number of posts, but who knows?
• she attacks most of news users saying that the comunity is decaying and its totaly useless with decaying people
• she doesnt reply any of comments of her own threads, and thats somehow very impolite.
• Her jargon is very repetitive and spamming (nobody can stand spam anymore in 2024)
• She's clearly will not CTB and probably will die in an old age and thats distubing specially when people dont see any action/plan coming from her part, just vent and more vent. That is frustrating for people because they are afraid of becomig just like FC.

Reasons why people LOVE FC:

• She got empath from most of autistic users due to sharing same problems/issues/values
• She's the conterbalance of the community in terms of a more "pro-death'" position. Clearly the founders/ currents Administrators are not happy with the current mainstreming tendency that SaSu is undergoing, so FC is somehow a reminder of "how Not mainstreming and how "dark/cool" the comunity was years ago. She is a point of nostalgia somehow of the "good old days" of the SaSu.
• Her texts gives confort for some users, her writing skill (although repetitive) give like a hypnosis or "mental fantasy masturbating feeling" regading non existance". Many find confort on those texts, its like instant relief of the mental suferring when reading even when if its repetitive.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I don't think it's hate per se, it's people vocalising their opinion the same way FC does. Her posts are repetitive, it's a fact, stating so isn't hate, it's just stating a fact. She also makes a lot of posts complaining about the website without ever suggesting improvements, what is the goal of that? It will just annoy people. This isn't a diary where she will never get a response, there are people on the other side reading. If she doesn't want opinions then writing on a diary may be best, it's what I do.

 

[numbed one]

I don't hâte HER / him anyway i Say welcome to her to thé World of pain

 

[ijustwishtodie]

If my new calculations are correct, @ijustwishtodie will come here pretty soon defending FC. Lol

Jk, i lov you @ijustwishtodie

Maybe I defended FC somewhere in my post but I tried to be as neutral as possible explaining why she's getting bullied rather than defending her outright. If I did defend her in my post, I don't really care enough to change it

 

[final_countdown12]

Maybe I defended FC somewhere in my post but I tried to be as neutral as possible explaining why she's getting bullied rather than defending her outright. If I did defend her in my post, I don't really care enough to change it

I just made my analysis above in this thread, what do you think?

 

[Linda]

Everyone who wishes to be a member of this site is welcome here, provided that they respect the rules of the site. Everyone has as much right to post as me or you. If you don't like the views of a user, you can ignore them, either literally or by using the "ignore" feature. Let's leave it at that, and not single out any particular user(s).

 

[Sylveon]

I don't think it's really that hard to understand why; she has quite the rigid standard of how a supposedly suicidal person should act, and many of her threads reflect that when she indirectly calls out people for not being "suicidal enough" time and time again, which would understandably tick anyone off. Many of us who come here are already on the edge, so it's not exactly hard to grasp where the rude comments come from. That being said, people shouldn't bully her, or anyone on this forum, really.

And she's very clearly closer to being pro-death than she is to being pro-choice; it really shouldn't come as a surprise that people use that as an argument, especially considering that that post is just one of many of a similar nature.

And let's say I said I was pro-choice and constantly posted in the recovery forum about how beautiful life is and all that, and that all those who aren't posting the same are merely attention seekers; would you still defend me in that case?

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I just made my analysis above in this thread, what do you think?

I think it's mostly accurate though, if I were to give my take, I'd add and remove a couple things.

In the "reasons why people hate FC" category, I'd add:

- her high post count. Because of this, people think that she has some malicious agenda. After all, I see users always commenting on her high post count as a reason why she's malicious
- tantacrul referred to her and most people know about tantacrul's video which probably contributed to it
- she isn't banned from here which makes people get annoyed as people think that she should get banned
- she is seen as somebody who harms the site more than she benefits from it

As for reasons why people don't like FC, I'd remove your second bullet point entirely. In fact, her being "pro death" is a reason why people hate FC, not why they don't hate her. Additionally, the admin doesn't think that SaSu is going mainstream. Occasionally, on a controversial FC thread, the admin even replies herself with things that shows that she thinks that this forum is far from mainstream and would get worse if FCs views become fruition here.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

"create your own forum"
"same repetive posts"
"if you are desperate to die then why don't you kill yourself?" (this is hinting she has ulterior motives for staying this long)

No one should be saying the last thing to her. In the past people didn't like her liberally calling people who approached questions of life and death differently than her "pro-lifers" and "trolls". Then she took to constantly complaining about the forum and all of its users (as that's the only way her vague, amorphous complaints could really be interpreted) and constantly trying to dictate how we interact with each other; otherwise, we're not genuinely suicidal like her. It has even grown to encompass some pretty gross shit like saying we are causing her to want to die. It's only natural to want to counter that with the obvious idea that she should leave. It doesn't hurt that the lapses in her behavior have been explained to her in very plain terms over and over again but she never adjusts.

 

[astr4]

honestly sometimes i read comments that feel p alienating, but i think the solution is to simply choose not to engage. everyone here is hurting i feel we should all navigate sasu in good faith and sympathize with the fact that a hurt person won't necessarily be the most eloquent or soft spoken or kind necessarily. like bro if anyone should understand the defeatist angry attitude it's us, right? we can hope that they find peace regardless of what that might look like.

 

[halleyscomet]

People dislike FC because she is pretty much pro death. She doesn't actively contribute to ctb, but her posts are very much aiming towards pro death, some even criticising users for wanting to live, or coping with things such as self harm. Yes she doesn't out right tell people to kill themselves, but the way she talks in her posts are very pro death like, I think it's reasonable for a lot of people to dislike her and think what she's saying is ignorant or cult like.

I don't personally believe she is harmful or pro death by any means, but I do understand why people are weary of her. She has been on this site for a couple years now and is still living, I understand why people think she may have ulterior motives, even though I disagree.

 

[final_countdown12]

- her high post count. Because of this, people think that she has some malicious agenda. After all, I see users always commenting on her high post count as a reason why she's malicious.

thats an extremely good point

- she is seen as somebody who harms the site more than she benefits from it

Thats true. Pragmatic speaking i cant see any add value coming from her + 34k repetive posts. There is nothing new, no solution proposed, no argument to help further the suicide discussion. Its very limited. Her words Its just mental masturbation to temporarily easy suferring for some members and thats all.

Additionally, the admin doesn't think that SaSu is going mainstream. Occasionally, on a controversial FC thread, the admin even replies herself with things that shows that she thinks that this forum is far from mainstream and would get worse if FCs views become fruition here.

I read lately Administrator post (RainandSadness) and other mods, for me its clear that they think that the forum went downhill since 2021 which is exactly the same argument or FC. So somehow they have FC as a kind of nostalgia of the forum, since they considered SaSu was good someday in the past and FC is a kind a remembrance of those old good days.

 

[FireFox]

Probably because they haven't killed themselves but keep venting but how awful everything is? Like, why are they here? I don't know, I don't mind what they do. Honestly if people are that upset why don't they just ignore the user?

@Aprilfarewell4 When you are suicidal you want to die and have all the pain to end but when a person actually attempts suicide that realisation there is no going back is what kicks in. This is why during a suicide attempt people panic and call for help.

Majority of humans fear death because of the uncertainty. Whether you believe in a God or higher power or none we humans don't really know where we are going to go after death. We don't.

This is why Funeral Cry has not CTB this entire time.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

she indirectly calls out people for not being "suicidal enough" time and time again

I would like if you can quote or link any threads where she does that, for authenticity

 

[LaVieEnRose]

@Aprilfarewell4 When you are suicidal you want to die and have all the pain to end but when a person actually attempts suicide that realisation there is no going back is what kicks in. This is why during a suicide attempt people panic and call for help.

Majority of humans fear death because of the uncertainty. Whether you believe in a God or higher power or none we humans don't really know where we are going to go after death. We don't.

This is why Funeral Cry has not CTB this entire time.

All the talk about how beautiful nonexistence is and you think FC is afraid of the unknown? :p

She hasn't killed herself because she has no personally acceptable methods at her disposal.

 

[astr4]

also to add another point, just bc someone has been on the site for long shouldn't really idk invalidate their suicidality? hell i've had this account for half a decade and i'm still undecided on if i wanna commit to this whole living thing or not. at the end of the day SI is a bitch and a blessing simultaneously, depending on who u are. idk maybe instead of being mean people could just Ignore.

 

[FireFox]

People dislike FC because she is pretty much pro death. She doesn't actively contribute to ctb, but her posts are very much aiming towards pro death, some even criticising users for wanting to live, or coping with things such as self harm. Yes she doesn't out right tell people to kill themselves, but the way she talks in her posts are very pro death like, I think it's reasonable for a lot of people to dislike her and think what she's saying is ignorant or cult like.

I don't personally believe she is harmful or pro death by any means, but I do understand why people are weary of her. She has been on this site for a couple years now and is still living, I understand why people think she may have ulterior motives, even though I disagree.

@halleyscomet I genuinely believe Funeral Cry is someone who has been through something very traumatic in her life which made her have those views and outlook she has towards life and humanity.

For a person to be pro death something traumatic must have happened for that person to hate life itself.

We don't know much about Funeral Crys life this does leave room to question what happened to her to be this kind of person.

 

[halleyscomet]

@halleyscomet I genuinely believe Funeral Cry is someone who has been through something very traumatic in her life which made her have those views and outlook she has towards life and humanity.

For a person to be pro death something traumatic must have happened for that person to hate life itself.

We don't know much about Funeral Crys life this does leave room to question what happened to her to be this kind of person.

Me too. I don't believe she is a troll or anything of the sort, I mean who would commit to the bit for 34K posts?

She is a very vulnerable and depressed individual, which is why we should not be insulting or rude towards her. She is even if she would not like me saying this, very unwell and we should be sympathetic and kind where we can.

 

[Aprilfarewell4]

@Aprilfarewell4 When you are suicidal you want to die and have all the pain to end but when a person actually attempts suicide that realisation there is no going back is what kicks in. This is why during a suicide attempt people panic and call for help.

Majority of humans fear death because of the uncertainty. Whether you believe in a God or higher power or none we humans don't really know where we are going to go after death. We don't.

This is why Funeral Cry has not CTB this entire time.

Oh, I wasn't looking for their explanation as to why they haven't. I don't care why they haven't, it's not my business especially if they don't want to say themselves as to why to the forum here. I was trying to answer why they are supposedly hated on this board. I don't hate them, and whatever they do or don't do is obviously up to them.

 

[FireFox]

All the talk about how beautiful nonexistence is and you think FC is afraid of the unknown? :p

She hasn't killed herself because she has no personally acceptable methods at her disposal.

@LaVieEnRose Majority of humans fear death the evidence is all around us. Look at how hardened criminals who are sentenced to the death penalty fight till the end to avoid getting the needle. During the pandemic look at how people were terrified of getting infected with Covid19 even too the point of abusing members of public who failed to social distance. In the Pandemic severely disabled people in my country got public abuse and hate in Supermarkets for faling to socal distance. It was so bad supermarkets had to put signs telling people not to abuse disabled people who struggle with social distancing.

Look at how people who get told they have incurable cancer will spend so much money on expensive treatments and flying to other countries to try treatments to prolong thier life expectancy just a little longer.

With death we just don't know what exists on the other side that is what scares people. Humans fear death.