ButterflyDream

ButterflyDream

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Jan 5, 2023
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I think older people are more likely to bottle up what they're feeling instead of being open about it. My friends and I talk openly about our mental health struggles, but I know for a fact that wasn't the case for the generations before us.
 
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tpboy

tpboy

No Karma Cafe
Aug 4, 2023
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I think older people are more likely to bottle up what they're feeling instead of being open about it. My friends and I talk openly about our mental health struggles, but I know for a fact that wasn't the case for the generations before us.
i agree with that
 
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John Ryder

John Ryder

"You're a smart kid...you'll figure it out."
Jul 7, 2023
334
"young people internet more" doesn't account for the disparity in Z representation. Everyone lives on the Internet. The avg millennial or boomer has the savvy to find a suicide forum, it's no Chinese puzzle. Big mad incoming, but, ideation is big as passing phase and affectation in the young. Forbidden fruit allure, the way all things taboo are intrinsic to youth. I think it's a big mixture of that strain of curiosity, garden variety poseur shit that will be outgrown, genuine ideation that will pass with age and time, and genuine ideation that will persist. The first three generally don't apply to middle age and up. I also suspect a massive portion of the forum is underage and inflating by just enough instead of larping as middle aged librarians.

If we go with the theory today's youth are more in touch with mental health, the flipside there is we've developed a full on cultural fixation and a self diagnosis epidemic to the point every little idiosyncrasy is marked a "disorder". No one is just kind of eccentric or a free spirit anymore, they're a laundry list of rigid diagnoses that reinforce the idea of being fundamentally "broken". "Mental health" has become a catch all outlet for our obsession with rote labeling and that tendency seem disproportionately represented in the young. Even if millennials and up are more collectively bottled up, that would just be more incentive for the anonymous respite of a web forum, so I don't think that applies much here.

Someone will take this the worst possible way or infer something I'm not actually saying (gatekeeping etc) and that's otay
 
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Zegers

Zegers

Enlightened
Dec 15, 2021
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Because age doesn't determine whether your life can be hellish or not, 30' now but it was the same at 25, 20, 15.
 
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olearius

wannabe polymath
Jun 25, 2023
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Well, in the US, approx. 1/3rd of people over 65 are well below the poverty line. I suspect it's multifactorial - lack of access to the internet, differing social beliefs and beliefs about themselves, compared to younger generations, and not to be funny or and ass but lead poisoning. Lead poisoning, especially long term, leads to lots of cognitive deficits. This can impact learning new skills, completing tasks, etc. That's if it didn't kill them indirectly or directly.

Basically, older folks may be less represented bc of money, belief systems and/or cognitive decline & health issues.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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I think there has been a massive increase since that Tantacrul video. Ironic, seeing as he made it out of anger in response to a young person CTB.

As for why so many young people are suicidal- the main theme I see a lot is disillusionment and lack of hope for the future. Also, CPTSD plays a role in why a lot of people are here- young and old.

I'm not young by the way. I'm 43.
 
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busybee

busybee

Experienced
Jul 5, 2023
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I have been struggeling since I was an early teen I come from a supportive family. Those more unfortunate in their environment would naturally not want to stay in it for longer.
 
CTBookOfLife

CTBookOfLife

ᴶᵘˢᵗ ᵃ ˢʰᵉˡˡ ᵒᶠ ᵃ ᵇᵒᵈʸ ʷⁱᵗʰ ᵐᵃⁿʸ ᵐⁱⁿᵈˢ
Aug 5, 2023
149
18 year old here. The stars aligned in the worst-best way to get me here.

A cacophony of horrible genetics and circumstances, horrible trauma since I was a small child (much of it caused by the two previous things), finding Tantacrul's video while in the darkest "loop" of my life, debating off-and-on for a while, before making my decision to finally join.

My "last straw" to register on the site was my realization that.. this website may solve one of my main issues: I have no one to talk to.

I can't let out my true feelings around anyone without risking them being worried and contacting someone. Even without wanting to CTB, the stuff I say when truly "getting my feelings out" would disturb anyone I actually, really knew.

So.. yeah.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I don't really think I understand this thread honestly, I don't get why some people on here make a big deal over age, how could it be strange that younger people want to die in this terrible existence where there is unlimited potential to suffer endlessly, the reality is that people want to die no matter the age, I don't believe that age has anything to do with suicide, wanting to die is just a logical response to being burdened with the ability to exist.

I could never understand what's supposedly so beneficial about existing to the point that it's strange that people want to die. To me suicide is self care as it means freedom from all future harms in an dreadful existence I never wished to endure in the first place, I've been trapped here for 22 years too long and it's horrifying to me the thought of potentially being stuck here for decades just decaying from age.

It's just the reality that not everyone wants to exist here, for me only the true peace of non-existence is appealing, no wonder so many wish to escape from this cruel existence where one is just waiting to die anyway, existing is tiresome and futile to me, I find it tragic how life even exists in the first place causing so much unnecessary suffering and torture as a result.
 
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ChronicPain23

ChronicPain23

Member
Jun 22, 2023
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I believe it's with us spending so much time on the internet and depending on the technology rather than developing close, intricate real relationships with others. Every child that you see right now has their eyes glued onto their iPad or phone. Although, this is my opinion.
Yes, you're right. Technology has destroyed human relationships, I can't keep up with all this instagram, tiktok, snapchat, facebook, etc. crap. The Internet has gone very wrong.

On the other hand, I as a 23 year old introvert have the ability to escape to sites like SaSu to people similar to me.
With irl people I can't communicate.
 
Sweet Tart

Sweet Tart

Arcanist
May 10, 2023
452
Me neither
I'm not young, either. I'm not comfortable saying middle aged but I guess there's no way to sugarcoat it. I have always had suicidal thoughts but never thought so seriously about acting on them when I was younger.
 
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アホペンギン

アホペンギン

Jul 10, 2023
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Not everyone here is young, despite the amount of young people you see here the variety in ages here on SaSu is big. And older people tend to hide their emotions more so they wouldn't join this forum.
 
Suicidebydeath

Suicidebydeath

No chances to be happy - dead inside
Nov 25, 2021
3,559
Maybe because suicidal impulses are stronger when younger, and if they were strong enough and the situation aligned, then they don't stick around to be older. So it makes sense there would be less older people.

For me, my life was fucked up way before I was an adult, I went through shit as a baby and throughout childhood. I was suicidal then and still am.
 
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Werewolf.

Student
May 28, 2021
177
I'm 27, turning 28 by the end of this year, if God wills it. I don't think I am young. In fact, I feel old. Objectively speaking, however, I'm definitely young. I just don't feel that way.
 
gottablast888

gottablast888

Student
Apr 15, 2022
171
I find it tough reading the post of younger members as I feel they have time to fix a lot of issues.
They have time but do they have energy ? Motivation? drive ? A lot of us are just tired of life and we dont have to be super old to feel that way.
 
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jbear824

jbear824

F*ck humanity. Let's end this.
Jul 4, 2023
409
Probably because life for younger people is getting worse and worse.
 
Kera

Kera

Experienced
Jul 16, 2023
260
Psychiatry, child and adolescent psychiatry, psychotherapy, psychosomatics, neurology and neurology from Germany

Possible causes of suicidal intentions and suicide in children and adolescents

Suicidal behavior usually has complex reasons. Both biological (e.g. genetic) causes should be mentioned as well as the personal development of a person, stressful life events, the social environment and underlying mental illnesses. As with all mental disorders, psychosocial distress alone is not the determinant of suicide or attempted suicide. Rather, this behavior can be based on a combination of a lack of individual ability to process and solve problems and insufficient support in the family.

Factors that increase the risk of acute suicidality:

acute alcohol and drug intoxication

high impulsiveness, presence of an impulse control disorder or emotionally unstable personality traits

previous suicide attempts (especially in the last year)

Suicides or suicide attempts in the patient's environment

critical life event

Biological factors

Suicidal behavior seems to be associated with a reduction in the neurotransmitter serotonin. For example, low levels of a certain serotonin metabolite (5-hydroxy-indoleacetic acid) in the cerebrospinal fluid (liquor) are associated with the frequency of a "hard" suicide attempt in children (and depressed patients) through an as yet unexplained connection. in context.

In families in which suicide has already occurred, an increased risk of suicide can often be demonstrated. About half of suicide victims have a first-degree relative who has also committed or attempted suicide. A genetic predisposition is therefore suspected. However, the imitation effect and the stress that suicide imposes on a family should also be taken into account in this consideration.

Personality & Development

The period from child to adult is a very delicate phase. It is characterized by development requirements, changes and crises (see also adolescence and adolescent crises). The ability to adapt socially is of great importance in mastering this phase of life. Adjustment disorders are a typical feature of children at risk of suicide. As a rule, adolescents with a tendency towards suicide either react impulsively aggressively to problems or they withdraw and take refuge in fantasies and ruminations. The children affected are often less socially accepted, feel lonelier, more hopeless and have low self-esteem.

Boys with late puberty and girls with early puberty have more psychological and social problems and an increased risk of suicide. Problems with sexual identity, such as homosexuality, can also be a stress factor in adolescents.

Stressful life events

An accumulation of traumatic experiences can be found in many children and adolescents who show suicidal behavior. Children and young people who have suffered sexual abuse, for example, have a three to four times higher risk of suicide. Suicidal behavior within the family increases the risk 2- to 6-fold.

Psychosocial environment

A difficult, conflict-ridden family situation can be a significant burden for children and young people. Divorce, frequent arguments, insufficient care and a lack of support or a lack of understanding burden children and young people. Some suicidal children and adolescents do not have reliable caregivers to guide them and help them deal with troubling feelings and situations. A permanent overstrain at school, which results in frequent arguments, fear of failure and bad grades, can lead young people into a serious crisis.

The availability of dangerous drugs or firearms in the household leads to a significantly increased risk of suicide, especially in children and adolescents who act impulsively.

Underlying mental illnesses

Depressed adolescents have a greatly increased risk of suicide. Young people who consume alcohol and drugs also show an increased risk. Suicidal thoughts and suicidal acts are particularly common in so-called "problem drinkers". It is not uncommon for a suicide (attempt) to be carried out under the influence of alcohol. On the one hand, this promotes impulsiveness and, on the other hand, lowers the inhibition threshold due to the anxiety-relieving and pain-relieving properties. On the other hand, self-injurious actions under the influence of alcohol/drugs can no longer be adequately controlled and can therefore be fatal, even if unintentionally. The presence of a social behavior disorder also increases the risk of suicide. Male, alcohol or drug addicted, socially excluded, depressed adolescents have the highest suicide rate. Other mental disorders associated with increased suicidality are impulse control disorders, anxiety disorders, personality disorders and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Suicidal acts, which are carried out in the context of acute psychotic illnesses, play a special role. The usual conditions leading to suicide are of secondary importance here. During an acute schizophrenic phase of the illness, under the influence of delusional phenomena and hallucinations (perceptual disturbances), thoughts of suicide often shoot up rapidly, with immediate and often almost impossible to prevent implementation. Sometimes deaths in adolescents with acute psychosis are not suicides (defined as acts with the intention of dying), but tragic deaths due to mishandling as a result of psychotic experience (e.g., jumping out of a window at the thought of flying).

Overall, the suicide risk in mentally ill children and adolescents is about 10 times higher than in the healthy population of the same age.

Triggering events

Children or adolescents who attempt suicide are almost always preceded by a crisis. Disputes in the family or the end of a partnership are most frequently given as triggering events. But an unwanted pregnancy or a failed exam can also be the trigger.

An increase in the suicide rate can also be observed, especially among young people, after suicide acts by prominent personalities or after the broadcast of corresponding television programs. This is known as the imitation effect, which usually lasts 1-2 weeks after the experience. Suicides in the area also increase the risk.
 
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LastBusHome

LastBusHome

Member
Nov 6, 2022
40
I think it's the knockdown effect of the steadily declining living circumstances. I'm only 26 as of last week and I'm already done with this shit. I like to think myself something of an optimist, much to the chagrin of the people in my life who want to be doom and gloom, and even I'm feeling worn the fuck out. A lack of prosperity and a lack of even an inkling of an end in sight tends to have that effect.
 

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