Why IQ leads to destruction

[EternalShore]

"Here, across three studies, we find that first impressions of individuals with ASD made from thin slices of real-world social behavior by typically-developing observers are not only far less favorable across a range of trait judgments compared to controls, but also are associated with reduced intentions to pursue social interaction. These patterns are remarkably robust, occur within seconds, do not change with increased exposure, and persist across both child and adult age groups. However, these biases disappear when impressions are based on conversational content lacking audio-visual cues, suggesting that style, not substance, drives negative impressions of ASD. Collectively, these findings advocate for a broader perspective of social difficulties in ASD that considers both the individual's impairments and the biases of potential social partners."

tl;dr NTs instinctively dislike and exclude us within seconds of meeting regardless of what we say or do.

I don't know if society is capable of removing biases that deeply ingrained. We literally seem inhuman to them

I do everything I can to be friendly and talk about things the other people are interested in and always get dropped and abandoned regardless~ :( Could I be autistic then and I'm merely the only person who doesn't know!? >_<

 

[sugarb]

Well. . . I don't quite know what to say because I don't want to delve into the territory of saying I understand when I can't, but maybe ASD doesn't bother me because I've felt like an outcast at times in life. Or, maybe I have a reaction and I don't realize it.

I will say that if I know someone is autistic, if anything it just makes them interesting to me, but I like learning about people who think differently than me. I'm weird, but I'd personally like it if someone with Autism or similar would just tell me right away so I know and I can try to accommodate. But with bias like that I can get why they wouldn't want to.

I mean, you might be having reaction without realizing it, but the instinctive negative response is probably an individual thing to some degree. and there might be other factors involved in your specific case

Regardless I'm glad you try to be accepting <3

I do everything I can to be friendly and talk about things the other people are interested in and always get dropped and abandoned regardless~ :( Could I be autistic then and I'm merely the only person who doesn't know!? >_<

Not everyone gets diagnosed early, so… maybe? You'd have to talk to a professional to be sure. Though, if you think you have certain symptoms, that can at least give you a clue.

Ex: I vaguely remember you being trans from some other post (apologies if that isn't you) and a lot of trans people are autistic.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

I don't know my IQ, but I think it is a very narrow concept. How would the ability to solve shape puzzles help with organizing a group of people or with creating asymetrical diagrams? I'm sure it could help in some way, but good charismatic leaders or any person people look up to will use their unique social intelligence to inspire hope and confidence in the people around them. They don't need to be good at puzzles to do this.

 

[Steff1337]

As a person with a very high IQ, I feel like it brought me only trouble in life. Maybe if I was dumb, I would be much more happier.

 

[Apathy79]

It has to be more of an advantage than a disadvantage in life net. I'd be surprised if high IQ, especially in the 130s to 150s, had any correlation with high suicide rates. Very high IQ like 170+ might, because you can't relate to anyone, but that's a miniscule percentage of the world. Most of us will never meet someone like that.

 

[avalon_]

You don't need to mock me as that's what you perceive this thread is only about.

I wasn't mocking you as a person, I was mocking the attitude displayed in your post. If you haven't contributed more to society than a nurse or a construction worker, you have no right whatsoever to look down on people (even if your IQ is off the charts).

 

[RoadBLOCK]

I'll tell you something no one will ever tell you

I have a person I know who sits at home and works three hours, three days a week, and his salary is twice as high as mine because he has high linguistic intelligence.
I am not talking about an IQ of 150 or higher. I am talking about any number between 115 and 130. You study for your test for ten hours. Another person studies for only two hours and memorizes (and understands) faster and better than you.

What seems very difficult to you seems very easy to someone else. I was facing problems at work, and my mind literally froze because of them, and someone comes and solves them at lightning speed. Unfortunately, IQ is not just a number. It affects your life and makes it easier for you to collect your money.

 

[danter0id]

there's a curve somewhere, I can't remember where (ETA it's just the dunning kruger effect), plotting level of actual knowledge versus level of perceived knowledge. the level of perceived knowledge (or, in this case, intelligence) peaks somewhere slightly above average. it declines after that, then goes up slightly at the very highest level of actual knowledge.

that is to say, people who crow about being the smartest, most very special boys are usually only slightly above average.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

As a research mathematician, I have never seen a supposed IQ test, official or otherwise, whose backend formula for measuring IQ convincingly somehow captured the intricacies and sometimes erratic nature of intelligence and faithfully embedded it into a single, stupid straight line.

IQ tests are only good for capturing the low ends to determine if people need support to live life.

If you think otherwise kindly let me know so I can look into your sources.

 

[derpyderpins]

I mean, you might be having reaction without realizing it, but the instinctive negative response is probably an individual thing to some degree. and there might be other factors involved in your specific case

Regardless I'm glad you try to be accepting <3

It's really funny reading back on this now because at my psych appointment this week my shrink said she thinks there's a good possibility I have autism and I'm going to get an formal screening haha. So I guess my specific case could've been affected by really REALLY relating XD

As a research mathematician, I have never seen a supposed IQ test, official or otherwise, whose backend formula for measuring IQ convincingly somehow captured the intricacies and sometimes erratic nature of intelligence and faithfully embedded it into a single, stupid straight line.

IQ tests are only good for capturing the low ends to determine if people need support to live life.

If you think otherwise kindly let me know so I can look into your sources.

I think IQ has its use on the high end on an individual basis for detecting an increased likelihood of neurodiversity, though I 100% agree it is not in any way a complete capture of "intelligence" on an individual level. When I was tested as a kid we didn't really have the "spectrum", so I was high IQ => therefore gifted => therefore nothing could be wrong with me, and that was completely stupid lol.

I also still believe IQ has it's place for studying populations for correlations, though it is only one factor in whatever study you are performing.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

It's really funny reading back on this now because at my psych appointment this week my shrink said she thinks there's a good possibility I have autism and I'm going to get an formal screening haha. So I guess my specific case could've been affected by really REALLY relating XD


I think IQ has its use on the high end on an individual basis for detecting an increased likelihood of neurodiversity, though I 100% agree it is not in any way a complete capture of "intelligence" on an individual level. When I was tested as a kid we didn't really have the "spectrum", so I was high IQ => therefore gifted => therefore nothing could be wrong with me, and that was completely stupid lol.

I also still believe IQ has it's place for studying populations for correlations, though it is only one factor in whatever study you are performing.

Yeah I think it serves as a general measure to detect differences from the norm in processing information. If someone is significantly below the norm they probably lack a fundamental level of skills needed to survive independently, if someone is way above the norm then there's probably something different about them, and that could be neurodiversity.

 

[sugarb]

It's really funny reading back on this now because at my psych appointment this week my shrink said she thinks there's a good possibility I have autism and I'm going to get an formal screening haha. So I guess my specific case could've been affected by really REALLY relating XD

Oh! Well, welcome to Team Tism then :D

 

[Hotsackage]

Ignorance is bliss

 

[WitheredHeights]

I find it incredibly interesting because I have a high IQ, from the parameters given in the original post, and if it weren't for that, I probably would've CTB. The increased ability of rationalization and logical analysis forces me to not bow to my flailing mind immediately.

 

[Davey40210]

I think I have autism and high intelligence and can confirm it results in suicidal thoughts :-).