Why don't people "Pew Pew" as a method if they are 18+ in America?

[isthisthingon]

Thanks for pointing that out. I think it also has to due with the type of gun and caliber of bullet. I think there's a mega thread about this. I'm not really a gun person. My region of the US - there are a lot of gun nuts here with an arsenal of guns. I've seen videos and stuff and read their rants. It's just not my thing. If I ever had to CTB and used this method I'd have to do lots of research.

Yeah, I've read the megathread, good info there. Firearm type and caliber play a big part, placement trumps all.

 

[Passenger4224]

Thanks for pointing that out. I think it also has to due with the type of gun and caliber of bullet. I think there's a mega thread about this. I'm not really a gun person. My region of the US - there are a lot of gun nuts here with an arsenal of guns. I've seen videos and stuff and read their rants. It's just not my thing. If I ever had to CTB and used this method I'd have to do lots of research.

I knew absolutely nothing about guns. It did not take much research for me to feel confident in being able to use one if I bought one!

You just need to know which guns are straightforward to load & use (revolver iirc?), know which caliber (like .38 or higher I think), know which bullets (hollow point), where to aim, and watch some vids on how to use the specific gun / other useful information. Ngl, once you start, it becomes fun to learn more. Because it's such an easy way to CTB.

Does your state not allow private sales?

I never looked into that but my mom can still see my account activity. I should go to the bank and find out if she can only just see the amount I have or if she can also see how much I withdrawal/spend. Spending any of it would be a red flag to her. My parents pay for my essentials at the moment and I never go out and buy anything with my own money.

Previously I had managed to talk her into letting me have $500 of my own money to spend per year, but that won't fly now.

It's fine, I have a new plan, albeit far less convenient

 

[CatLvr]

FOR REAL. I live in texas and I went into an academy and had never bought a gun before, and all I had to do was fill out a form and have a 3-day wait period lol.

And yet I live in Oklahoma and have NEVER had to wait more than 15-30 minutes. And I have bought a lot, a LOT of guns -- both from a store (so had to do a 4473) and in private transactions with another gun owner. I have probably a dozen or so -- I know there is one in my purse, 2 or 3 in my bedroom, a couple in my sewing room -- I have no idea how many I have in the safe. Lol

You should have seen my living room after my husband past away last year -- he was an avid -- an AVID lol -- collector. Haha! I swear my best friend and her husband still think they won the lottery because I gave them an entire mini-van FULL of guns, ammo and reloading equipment. I kept my EDC, a couple that have sentimental value and a few that my son will inherit when I die. Everything else was sold on consignment and benefited a youth hunting organization here (I didn't need the money) or was given away to friends who helped me deal with the mess that man left me with.

Mind you, I didn't begrudge him collecting what he loved. I was a little unhappy with the mess (he was a bit of a packrat) he left but ... Hey ... It's cleaned up now so all is well on this front.

But, yeah, it's insanely easy in some states and horribly difficult in others, to get a firearm.

 

[somethingrandom]

I actually already own a gun, have the experience with using a gun, and have had access to guns since before i wanted to CTB but have still had struggles purely regarding SI, so I imagine it's a lot of the same for those who don't already have a gun. SI messes with one's thoughts (even the fully certain ones) so much, it's honestly kinda unfair.

 

[ravendrops]

I've made online purchases of a firearm 3 times, but have cancelled the order every time. I was planning on getting a 9mm with hollow point bullets. The thing that got me was the waiting period and having to go in person to fill out the background check. When I've been in that place (seriously ready to immediately CTB) I would not have been able to have casual conversation with people. I just couldn't/can't fake being well.

 

[isthisthingon]

I've made online purchases of a firearm 3 times, but have cancelled the order every time. I was planning on getting a 9mm with hollow point bullets. The thing that got me was the waiting period and having to go in person to fill out the background check. When I've been in that place (seriously ready to immediately CTB) I would not have been able to have casual conversation with people. I just couldn't/can't fake being well.

If you're in certain states you can buy from private party. Makes it a little easier, the sellers just want money—- well I guess the same could be said with the gun shops also. I don't know what I'm trying to say anymore.

 

[N-methylamphetamine]

Besides obvious restrictions like a criminal background or failed mental evaluation preventing purchase, why don't people just opt for the firearm method? It has the highest success rate (82.5% and practically 100% with the proper method), and other alternative methods have a high failure rate, and if they do fail, they are likely to suffer even more, like brain damage and other significant health issues post-attempt.

oh no so this happens a lot. like out of all the gun deaths in America 80% of them are suicides. This method is actually fairly common

 

[DeadDreamsDame]

I can't speak for others, but I have access to a gun and I just can't bring myself to have my family find me like that. Crime scene clean up is also prohibitively expensive so my Mom, my one champion would be forced to literally clean 'me' up. If you get my drift. I refuse to spread my suffering like that.

 

[isthisthingon]

I can't speak for others, but I have access to a gun and I just can't bring myself to have my family find me like that. Crime scene clean up is also prohibitively expensive so my Mom, my one champion would be forced to literally clean 'me' up. If you get my drift. I refuse to spread my suffering like that.

Have you considered doing it elsewhere? I'm thinking of a parking lot or off a dirt road. The time is coming soon.

 

[iwashere]

I've made online purchases of a firearm 3 times, but have cancelled the order every time. I was planning on getting a 9mm with hollow point bullets. The thing that got me was the waiting period and having to go in person to fill out the background check. When I've been in that place (seriously ready to immediately CTB) I would not have been able to have casual conversation with people. I just couldn't/can't fake being well.

this is why i've essentially been coaching/desensitizing myself to the idea of buying a gun even when i'm not in those super severe positions where i am ready to go just need a method. that way when i have one of those episodes again, ill have the weapon ready at my disposal. still haven't desensitized myself yet though lolol im too scared to walk in the shop !!

oh no so this happens a lot. like out of all the gun deaths in America 80% of them are suicides. This method is actually fairly common

yes to this. my county has an online public directory for the medical examiners office and you can filter it by death type. when u filter it by suicide it will seriously be like 10 GSW to every hanging or overdose. everybody shooting themselves !!

 

[buriedinmyhead]

Besides obvious restrictions like a criminal background or failed mental evaluation preventing purchase, why don't people just opt for the firearm method? It has the highest success rate (82.5% and practically 100% with the proper method), and other alternative methods have a high failure rate, and if they do fail, they are likely to suffer even more, like brain damage and other significant health issues post-attempt.

My state is 21+ (I'm still 20), with required certification, mandatory waiting period, and I'd have to do it day of since I live with my folks and couldn't sneak a gun into the house. Otherwise I 100% would, I've already researched exactly how to angle it and everything to ensure the brainstem is destroyed.

 

[Mangled Tangle]

It's funny because guns have always been on my "absolutely not considering" list when it comes to this topic. This thread has made me actually start to think about why.

And my reluctance comes from a myriad of reasons.

1. Money is definitely a factor, albeit a small one. I am in debt (not terribly, but still) and so I would like to leave as much money as I possibly can for my family.

2. It seems like a bit of a hassle to get one. You have to be approved for it iirc? Part of my ongoing life problems is that I don't have energy for day to day tasks any longer—both physically and mentally. So I just can't be bothered to do such a thing when there's other options that are more fitting of my personal situation.

3.. I don't want the scene to be absolutely heinous and traumatic for those who find me. Obviously, finding your loved one deceased is already traumatic enough since most people aren't desensitized to such things. But I feel like the resulting mess and viscera would just be sooo much worse on someone.

4. I also am quite ignorant when it comes to guns. I've never held an interest in them and so I'd have to look into them a lot more. I have fired a gun one time (not at anyone of anything in particular, just wanted to see what it was like for novelty's sake) and I was so clueless of how to use it properly that I somehow ended up bruising and busting the skin on my thumb open with the little hammer thingy? (Lord, I'm not even sure if that is the correct term, so forgive me) My grandfather seemed very impressed that I'd managed to do that so badly lol.

5. And this next reason is very specific to me. I have pretty extensive nerve damage in my extremities. I drop stuff constantly, I have almost no feeling left in my hands and feet and this causes me to be very clumsy when handling items. I also have pretty bad luck in life in general and I could easily envision my hands fumbling at that precise moment and I end up botching the shot entirely. I've seen plenty of people who botched their attempts and I don't want to risk ending up like that.

I enjoyed reading through the other responses in this thread and seeing that others have some of the same thought processes as I do. And while I completely understand why it's the most appealing choice for a majority of people, it's just simply not for me, I suppose.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

It has the highest success rate though at 90%. Anecdotally, most failures happen shooting under the chin.

yeah i think if : 1. not under chin but side of head or deep in mouth , learn where brain and brain stem blood vessels are . 2. then a very high powered rifle or shotgun highest velocity or the .460 magnum handgun . 3. practice dry firing and dry runs every day can't practice enough. . 4. practice shooting at gun range. that would increase the 90% to 99% plus imo. but i'm just touching on these. each one could be a long chapter in a book or a book . most people that attempted haven't done any of these and still it's 90% . so adding all these and also #5 which i will keep it a secret but it also has to do with defeating si and making this method more reliable. idk why i'm keeping that a secret since probably nobody is even reading this or even if someone does do they agree on the importance of all these.

the .460 magnum rules all handguns

 

[PumpkinLatte1]

I'm American. I have never held a gun before, and I hear that they are hard to use so I'd worry I'd really mess something up and make things worse for myself.

Believe it or not, as other American posters have said, not all of us are gun users. I actually don't think I know anyone who owns a gun!

 

[KatalinaKrimson]

I was considering buying one yesterday. But there's a 10 day waiting period here in Cali. I figured jumping is just so much simpler and easier if you have the right jump point.

I left work at 9:55 AM, and I was laying across the building outcropping by 10:15. All I had to do was roll over and I'd be dead in 3.8 seconds. But... I was just too much of a pussy. Maybe next time. Maybe I can discover another piece of trauma that will put me over the edge.

 

[SASU-KE]

I was considering buying one yesterday. But there's a 10 day waiting period here in Cali. I figured jumping is just so much simpler and easier if you have the right jump point.

There's nothing simple about jumping. Apparently you can't be sure exactly where you land. Wind plays a factor.Something can cushion your fall. People have survived crazy heights. GSW has the highest success rate.

 

[nelaB]

Maybe I need to check my privilege as someone from a Southern state. Y'all got it rough over there lol.

haha same

 

[KatalinaKrimson]

There's nothing simple about jumping. Apparently you can't be sure exactly where you land. Wind plays a factor.Something can cushion your fall. People have survived crazy heights. GSW has the highest success rate.

That's why I said the right jump point. 70 meters, 3.8 seconds of acceleration, ~80 miles an hour onto solid concrete. That's not water under the bridge (pun intended).

I don't know guns. I don't know how to get them. I don't know how to load them, how to hold them, how to aim them. How to choose which gun is best for the job. How to talk to the salesman without triggering a red flag.

BUT I know that no amount of wind is gonna prevent me from dying when I roll off the 12th story terrace of the Stockton Courthouse.

 

[SASU-KE]

BUT I know that no amount of wind is gonna prevent me from dying when I roll off the 12th story terrace of the Stockton Courthouse.

What if someone ends up right underneath you? Or a vehicle with a tarp. Before you say it's silly, it's actually happened to people.

 

[m3nhera]

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Very heavy on this, maybe people in other countries forget every state has different laws

That's why I said the right jump point. 70 meters, 3.8 seconds of acceleration, ~80 miles an hour onto solid concrete. That's not water under the bridge (pun intended).

I don't know guns. I don't know how to get them. I don't know how to load them, how to hold them, how to aim them. How to choose which gun is best for the job. How to talk to the salesman without triggering a red flag.

BUT I know that no amount of wind is gonna prevent me from dying when I roll off the 12th story terrace of the Stockton Courthouse.

Second paragraph is so real and it all just stresses me out, shooting yourself SOUNDS easy but is clearly easier said than done if so many of us are still here. Not to mention the immense pain, other methods can have RISK of pain but pain with a gunshot is UNAVOIDABLE. That's what terrifies me.

 

[Lamentice]

This is my method of choice. But first I need to sort out money, go through the process of being allowed to legally purchase and own one, and then I need to pay for lessons and practice because I've never actually handled one and my chances of success are better if I actually learn about and become comfortable with the tool I've chosen. But all these things are taking and will take time.

 

[SomeDude]

If I was living in the US,I would walk in like Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator Part 1 and buy everything in the shop,

I'd go out guns blazing!

Tis a good scene,@Mrs. T-800

Haha yeah suicide by cop ^^
Altough I would atleast try to take out some people who I think are more responsible for this messy world we live in

 

[KatalinaKrimson]

What if someone ends up right underneath you? Or a vehicle with a tarp. Before you say it's silly, it's actually happened to people.

I can choose between falling 11 stories onto a 1 story roof that can't be accessed without a ladder, or falling 12 stories into some back alley way.

Haha yeah suicide by cop ^^
Altough I would atleast try to take out some people who I think are more responsible for this messy world we live in

Ooh. Are we allowed to talk about "taking out other people?" I assumed that would be against the rules.

 

[Ben 111]

I actually already own a gun, have the experience with using a gun, and have had access to guns since before i wanted to CTB but have still had struggles purely regarding SI, so I imagine it's a lot of the same for those who don't already have a gun. SI messes with one's thoughts (even the fully certain ones) so much, it's honestly kinda unfair.

I'm frm Kenya and I swear if I had access to guns I would have been long dead by now..i mean SI wont get to me since it takes seconds to off myself

 

[somethingrandom]

I'm frm Kenya and I swear if I had access to guns I would have been long dead by now..i mean SI wont get to me since it takes seconds to off myself

Definitely get that. My main problem is that I'm not religious but I'm scared of what comes after death. I don't want to be living but afraid of what's after death - quite the predicament lol.

 

[Snoozelsuicide]

Money. All problems when it comes to CTB all go back to money. Though it might also be the chance of failure; there are some gnarly photos of failed CTB by firearms.

 

[ryo the frog]

something I don't think I've seen mentioned is the 18-20 yo range. that's still too young to buy a hand gun. I don't think the prospect of having to unload something the size of your torso is helping with the SI.