Why do prolifers want people they know to live even if they're in excruciating pain?

[Ambivalent1]

That's not love. Love is knowing when to let go and knowing you don't own anyone. Everything is transient.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because those people are just so incredibly self centred and lack any compassion, they don't want the person to cease existing as then they have to deal with loss, they think they own the person and that they should be so selfishly imprisoned in this existence, it's just inhumane to be against the right to die as it's not like any of us are obligated to continue existing in the first place.

 

[Rhymester]

I personally support euthanasia and such, but I will try to look at another perspective to answer this question. Many pro-lifers are religious, stating that any act of killing is a breach of morality. Also, many of those religious people would believe in absolute morality, meaning that morality does not change or evolve over time. In other words, they wouldn't believe that certain things are transient, such as morality and other things. For those people, something would be seen as always wrong or always right—killing is wrong, stealing is wrong. I believe that morality can change in different situations. I personally believe that it is absolutely immoral to keep someone alive when they are going through excruciating pain. Another example would be—is it moral to steal medication from a pharmacy to help someone (assuming that there are no funds to buy the medication). Many religious people would say—yes, it is wrong because absolute morality does not change. On the other hand, people like me would say—no, it is not wrong, because stealing the medication is an act of greater good in this type of situation.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's mainly because they don't understand. I think most have this (maybe deluded) hope that things will get better for the person. I think this is especially true when the person's struggles aren't immediately obvious. Beyond that though- it has to be selfishness at the end of the day. They don't want to feel the pain of grief and loss.

I agree with you though. I think the greatest sign of love is to put someone elses needs above your own. People here are doing that every day they remain living for others. I wish they'd recognise that more.

To actually just insist that someone should stay and suffer though is pretty twisted when you think about it. They don't see it like that I suppose though. I suppose to them, everyone owes it to themselves and all those around them to make the best of things- no matter how bad things are supposedly.

 

[SilentSadness]

Because they're delusional, and don't know what love means.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Because they're delusional, and don't know what love means.

But we do. It seems enlightenment precedes suicide. The world keeps losing its best and brightest.

 

[Unknown21]

Capitalism requires slaves, we're part of the system.

 

[Alltheywanted]

Capitalism requires slaves, we're part of the system.

Every system needs its slaves. I wouldn't simplify it just to capitalism. We are fcked no matter what happens in the politics area.

 

[Lavander 230]

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Because those people are just so incredibly self centred and lack any compassion, they don't want the person to cease existing as then they have to deal with loss, they think they own the person and that they should be so selfishly imprisoned in this existence, it's just inhumane to be against the right to die as it's not like any of us are obligated to continue existing in the first place.

Are you even a human? Most of your answers seem to be those of a generic AI.

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Are you even a human? Most of your answers seem to be those of a generic AI.

anyways the real answer is that prolifers don't understand our pain. I mean it's so obvious, yet idk wtf are you talking about and I don't understand what theories other members are creating. The answer is so simple, but you all make it seem super complicated.

 

[exiled]

I ran to this post to type up something incredibly long and drawn out about the selfishness and lack of compassion that pro-life people have. The absolute disgusting need to play hero or force someone to live in their excruciating pain because it brings them some type of comfort to know their loved one is around. While these things may be completely true, I think it may be important to give just a little bit of grace to those who really want to fight for your life.

They don't understand the depth of the suicidal feelings we experience. Maybe they've had fleeting thoughts in their life here and there, but they've never truly been at the low that CTB requires you to be at. Maybe they cannot even fathom it. I've had friends repeatedly tell me that I have so much to live for, that I've impacted so many people, that life is a precious gift and I should not waste it. I fail to call that incredibly selfish of them to say, but I think it is more of an ignorance or foolish hope. The world loves a good miracle; a tragic sob story turned successful and on top of the world. Perhaps the people in our life hold out for something like that to happen to us.

However, there of course are those selfish people who tell you that it is wrong to CTB but then walk away from you / do not support you through your journey. Those people honestly are just trying to protect their own peace, and survive in a world that is already so harsh. It's disgustingly self absorbed, but the human race is really just a desperate species. We do what we can to protect ourselves, no matter the cost to others. It's a flawed design, but it is what it is.

All that to say, I realize I come across pro-life in this post but that isn't the case. I just tend to try and have a little bit of compassion for those that truly love me that want me to stay. However, when someone truly is at the end of their rope, they should also be allowed to end it, in the name of doing what is best for them.

Lastly, I want to reiterate that not being pro-life doesn't make a person pro-suicide and I think that's another thing that scares people for having any mercy on us suicidal folk. Nobody wants to see someone go, of course! But it takes a really strong mind to be able to see it from the perspective of someone else. I think that if more people heard the depth of our stories, perhaps something would shift. People are scared to admit that someone should probably just pull their own plug because they don't want to live with the guilt of giving permission. I have a hunch there are less pro-lifers out there than we think. And it really is just a bunch of people that don't want to involve themselves so closely to a tragedy.

 

[Ambivalent1]

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Are you even a human? Most of your answers seem to be those of a generic AI.

anyways the real answer is that prolifers don't understand our pain. I mean it's so obvious, yet idk wtf are you talking about and I don't understand what theories other members are creating. The answer is so simple, but you all make it seem super complicated.

She's chatgpt. Even chatgpt has fucking had it!!11

I ran to this post to type up something incredibly long and drawn out about the selfishness and lack of compassion that pro-life people have. The absolute disgusting need to play hero or force someone to live in their excruciating pain because it brings them some type of comfort to know their loved one is around. While these things may be completely true, I think it may be important to give just a little bit of grace to those who really want to fight for your life.

They don't understand the depth of the suicidal feelings we experience. Maybe they've had fleeting thoughts in their life here and there, but they've never truly been at the low that CTB requires you to be at. Maybe they cannot even fathom it. I've had friends repeatedly tell me that I have so much to live for, that I've impacted so many people, that life is a precious gift and I should not waste it. I fail to call that incredibly selfish of them to say, but I think it is more of an ignorance or foolish hope. The world loves a good miracle; a tragic sob story turned successful and on top of the world. Perhaps the people in our life hold out for something like that to happen to us.

However, there of course are those selfish people who tell you that it is wrong to CTB but then walk away from you / do not support you through your journey. Those people honestly are just trying to protect their own peace, and survive in a world that is already so harsh. It's disgustingly self absorbed, but the human race is really just a desperate species. We do what we can to protect ourselves, no matter the cost to others. It's a flawed design, but it is what it is.

All that to say, I realize I come across pro-life in this post but that isn't the case. I just tend to try and have a little bit of compassion for those that truly love me that want me to stay. However, when someone truly is at the end of their rope, they should also be allowed to end it, in the name of doing what is best for them.

Lastly, I want to reiterate that not being pro-life doesn't make a person pro-suicide and I think that's another thing that scares people for having any mercy on us suicidal folk. Nobody wants to see someone go, of course! But it takes a really strong mind to be able to see it from the perspective of someone else. I think that if more people heard the depth of our stories, perhaps something would shift. People are scared to admit that someone should probably just pull their own plug because they don't want to live with the guilt of giving permission. I have a hunch there are less pro-lifers out there than we think. And it really is just a bunch of people that don't want to involve themselves so closely to a tragedy.

So the guests are here to watch us like spectators in a colosseum?

 

[CompanyOpossum]

'to have great pain is to have certainty; to hear that another person has pain is to have doubt.'

 

[Stormy Raine]

Because they are selfish! I had friends who knew my life was horrible and I would cry everyday and was miserable physically and mentally, I was considering attempting to ctb again and told them figuring they would understand. The had me admitted to psych and I'll never understand why? So I will never be able share my true feelings anymore and now I always say, "im fine, today is a great day!" It's easier for them to believe that and im still in the same situation! I wish people let us go!

 

[Ambivalent1]

'to have great pain is to have certainty; to hear that another person has pain is to have doubt.'

What?

 

[John Ryder]

What?

People tend to be dismissive and skeptical of misery they haven't experienced. "Surely you're just in a slump" until they're in it themselves

 

[TAW122]

I think Forever Sleep, Lavender 230, and John Ryder pretty much summed it up pretty succinctly. Most pro-lifers (aside from the really sadistic and cruel ones) just don't really know what it is like and what they don't understand they tend to dismiss, downplay, and/or invalidate it. As for invisible pain (mental anguish and suffering), it is harder to perceive it other than the individual themselves so most pro-lifers (especially when they only see things from the outside) see it as not valid or fail to comprehend it. For visible pain (physical disability and/or things that can be demonstrable) it is more obvious, but still nebulous if the pro-lifer hasn't experienced it themselves, but at least they have a little bit more understanding. It is still awful that pro-lifers nevertheless, still impede our right to die.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I think Forever Sleep, Lavender 230, and John Ryder pretty much summed it up pretty succinctly. Most pro-lifers (aside from the really sadistic and cruel ones) just don't really know what it is like and what they don't understand they tend to dismiss, downplay, and/or invalidate it. As for invisible pain (mental anguish and suffering), it is harder to perceive it other than the individual themselves so most pro-lifers (especially when they only see things from the outside) see it as not valid or fail to comprehend it. For visible pain (physical disability and/or things that can be demonstrable) it is more obvious, but still nebulous if the pro-lifer hasn't experienced it themselves, but at least they have a little bit more understanding. It is still awful that pro-lifers nevertheless, still impede our right to die.

When we ctb, do they finally understand that our pain was serious?

 

[wristcutangel]

a good bunch, usually the actively cruel ones, are religious extremists who i've given up on rationalizing in any way. they just live to see others suffer.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

if they are 'close' to you. selfish reasons. pharm companies will want to sell you expensive meds same as any business. 2023 web are basically guinea pigs.

 

[saderaser]

They really don't understand what it is like to be that desperate. They can be put in some kind of ongoing torture and they will end up choosing death at one point because humans have a limit, whether it's patience, faith, energy, or love.

I spent years trying to make my family understand what depression is like because if they understand what I've been going through, their pain of losing me would be lessen, they might even be happy for me at some point. I told them that it's not that I don't love them enough, I just couldn't take it anymore because we all have a limit, and guess what, THEY DON'T GET IT!!!! I used different examples, I showed them statistics, I was a living proof that depression can cause disabilities, but their replies would always be: you haven't tried all kinds of treatments yet, someone overcame depression, I believe that God will give us mercy, please don't give up we all need you and we love you....blah blah blah.

And one day, I decided not to wait any longer, not to explain my feelings ever again. I did what I could because I love them that's why I waited for so many years, but I need to love myself too.
It's okay if people cannot understand, but at least we need to do something for ourselves, there's no need to wait for someone to understand you, we understanding ourselves is enough.

 

[EndJstifiesTheMeans]

Maskered sadism

 

[Valky]

Because people are selfish and think they are entitled to have someone continue living for their sake.

Suicide is often seen as wrong and something that should 100% be prevented. I therefore also blame society for not viewing that topic more openly and allowing people to even TRY to understand.

 

[ringo99]

Because they don't have an inkling of what sufferers are going through. They're just parroting what their parents, priest, teacher etc. told them, basically ,"Suicide baaaad, sin go to hell". If active euthanasia which offers a humane way out of suffering became legalized it would severely undercut the power structures that religious faiths are built upon. That's another reason why they fight so hard to prevent it.